Great article by Bayless: Michael Jordan Brady

[RelocatedPatFan]

The main issue was the ball's height off the ground, not which spot on the field it passed over. Welker is better at lateral adjustments than vertical ones.

Very True and when you have T-Rex like arms (compared to other receivers) it's a much smaller catch radius with less room for error. Partly why Brady was great for him, his accuracy. and he was great for Brady because they generally processed the defense in the same manner (practically a share consciousness of what they saw)...and Brady generally didn't get him killed (that one hit in Pittsburgh notwithstanding).

 

[BelizePats]

I could care less if he's pro Patriots or against them.
I think he takes a lot of his positions to incite and inflame. To get people pissed off and talking. Just like Felcher.
I find him to play fast and lose with "facts" and as a result I don't like him or his work.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Why?
He pulls for the Patriots, which have been his SB pick for like the last 4 seasons in a row

What does that have to do with him not being a clown?

He gives Tom Brady his due, unlike a lot of other guys

Please...everyone gives brady his due. Who doesn't?

He likes and defends Romo (and I do as well).

Oh so he likes romo...i take it back..he isn't a clown now :bricks:

 

[Sivy]

You people are never happy. Skip us the only patriots supporter on espn in which most of you hate because they hate the pats

I'm a fan of Skip.

 

[PATS16N0]

Can someone give me an example of a position he's taken to incite and inflame?
Or a position that was so idiotic that it completely outweighs his years of loyalty to New England football?

 

[scout]

Can someone give me an example of a position he's taken to incite and inflame?
Or a position that was so idiotic that it completely outweighs his years of loyalty to New England football?

OK. I lived in Dallas during the Cowboy's run. Skip was a local journalist (the fans also despised him there). So, at the height of the Cowboy's run, he writes a book. In the book he outs Troy Aikman as being gay. Is that enough of a **** for you?

Skip's objective is to write or say the outlandish. Watch him (if you can stomach the guy) on ESPN and see what viewpoint he takes. Thus, when I read he wrote a good article on Brady, I assumed it was due to everyone else lobbying for Manning.

 

[bostonia3333]

Mentioning Jordan and Brady in the same sentence is just stupid. Jordan won 6 rings and took several years off...plus he never lost a championship

If Brady had 5, then the discussion could get interesting.

I see Brady more as the Gretzky/Jeter/Duncan of football. He's been stuck on 3 rings for eternity it seems ...he should have 5, but Jeter could say he should have 8 rings since he lost several World Series.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

I don't know why everyone hates on Skip so hard. He's a far cry from perfect but he's one of the few guys that pulls hard for the Patriots at ESPN.

I've heard far worse from other people at that network.

he is entertaining. i love the chemistry between him and stephen A. he is a troll, but my kinda troll. i think people started hating on him more when he rode tebow train for too long.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

Mentioning Jordan and Brady in the same sentence is just stupid. Jordan won 6 rings and took several years off...plus he never lost a championship

If Brady had 5, then the discussion could get interesting.

I see Brady more as the Gretzky/Jeter/Duncan of football. He's been stuck on 3 rings for eternity it seems ...he should have 5, but Jeter could say he should have 8 rings since he lost several World Series.

you can't compare basketball to football. football is the ultimate team sports. it's much harder to win a football championship than a basketball championship.

he is comparing to jordan because brady has that competitive fire in him and he is magical in 4th qtr.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Just read that.

The only problem I have is putting 55% of blame on Brady for the Welker drop. He put it right on the money between two defensive players so welker wouldnt get decked. Welker, for some odd reason, stopped running too. That play (as well as Tyree's catch) will hunt me forever until (if) we win another super bowl.

Bull%&#@!!! Bad throw by Brady. A receiver does not have to stop on a dime and reverse direction as he turns his body and jumps trying to catch a ball "right on the money".
That play was not a drop. A ball that hits you in the numbers is a drop.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Think Brady suffers because of the presence of Belichick. If BB weren't considered one of the great coaches then Brady could get the credit he deserves.
The great irony is that Tom Brady is the ONLY reason this team has been so successful these past few years. He hasn't won more SB's because GM Belichick has let this team weaken in critical areas especially on defense and has not done a good job to shore things up.

 

[Kontradiction]

he is entertaining. i love the chemistry between him and stephen A. he is a troll, but my kinda troll. i think people started hating on him more when he rode tebow train for too long.

I don't hate him, per se. I just think he's trying to be more of an entertainer than an analyst. He also still can't admit that he was wrong about LeBron James even though the guy has won two championships, with one featuring him hitting the series-clinching shot in Game 7.

 

[1960Pats]

Mentioning Jordan and Brady in the same sentence is just stupid. Jordan won 6 rings and took several years off...plus he never lost a championship

If Brady had 5, then the discussion could get interesting.

I see Brady more as the Gretzky/Jeter/Duncan of football. He's been stuck on 3 rings for eternity it seems ...he should have 5, but Jeter could say he should have 8 rings since he lost several World Series.

I understand that many of you here are young, so you get a pass, but, not one single player mentioned above is in the same class as Bill Russell. And he did it in a much less watered down era than all of them.

* 11 titles in his 13 years, including 8 in a row. In the other two his team made the playoffs but lost in the finals one year and the Eastern finals in the other.
* His final two years as player/HC his team won it all both years, and the last win was on the road in LA in game 7 against the likes of Wilt, Elgin Baylor and Jerry West.
* Bill Russell was more dominant in his sport than Jimmy Brown was in his.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

Bull%&#@!!! Bad throw by Brady. A receiver does not have to stop on a dime and reverse direction as he turns his body and jumps trying to catch a ball "right on the money".
That play was not a drop. A ball that hits you in the numbers is a drop.

Sorry but watch the film. Catchable, in his hands, then it dropped. When you are considered a top tier receiver you make that play in the SB. You can't rely on the QB to put it on the numbers. If you can get your hands on it, around it and then drop it, it is a drop. Welker knew he dropped it, especially after the fact.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Bull%&#@!!! Bad throw by Brady. A receiver does not have to stop on a dime and reverse direction as he turns his body and jumps trying to catch a ball "right on the money".
That play was not a drop. A ball that hits you in the numbers is a drop.

That was a perfectly catchable ball, an NFL level receiver should make that catch, most of them would make that catch, Welker literally dropped the ball.

 

[jmt57]

Regardless of whatever position he takes, I find it impossible to take anything Skip Bayless says seriously. First Take is so contrived and scripted that it makes pro wrestling and the Jerry Springer Show look genuine in comparison. The program may be popular and achieve good ratings, but that's much more of an indictment of the nation's television viewers than anything else. It's really a sad commentary that so many tune in to watch these cartoon characters while worthwhile and intelligent analysis goes unwatched, unread, and eventually cancelled.

 

[borg]

Think Brady suffers because of the presence of Belichick. If BB weren't considered one of the great coaches then Brady could get the credit he deserves.

Great observation. ...worthy of a mile long thread.
Lets be honest....the Patriots were winning championships on the back of well balanced teams. Each year, more was asked of Brady....but.....Brady didn't reach the 'elite passer" category until '07 when he was given toys to play with. Then 2 more SB visits...but...one play short each time.
Current sentiment outside NE probably favors Manning based on statistical achievement that spanned his entire career. But history tends to dilute statistical proficiency and I expect the Manning Pantheon to grow smaller....much the same as Fouts' or Marino's.
A some point in the future, it comes down to # of rings, # of SB appearances, career record......then head to head. And Head to Head is the ultimate argument winner...Every Time. The Greatest needs to be better than the very good.....and , at least thru 2013, we know that score

 

[scout]

Tom Brady is the ONLY reason this team has been so successful these past few years. He hasn't won more SB's because GM Belichick has let this team weaken in critical areas especially on defense and has not done a good job to shore things up.

Your joking right? When all is said and done, BB will be the greatest coach of all time when he decides to retire. If you want to challenge that statement, list the coaches who are/were better. Since the Patriots won in 2001, they have not had a down year. Had the Patriots not put key defensive players on IR, I would take them to win the Superbowl this year.

 

[jmt57]

Think Brady suffers because of the presence of Belichick. If BB weren't considered one of the great coaches then Brady could get the credit he deserves.
The great irony is that Tom Brady is the ONLY reason this team has been so successful these past few years. He hasn't won more SB's because GM Belichick has let this team weaken in critical areas especially on defense and has not done a good job to shore things up.

NFL football is the ultimate team game. The notion that one player alone can make a team highly competitive works in basketball where there are only ten players on the court between two teams, but that logic fails in the NFL where the two club's offenses and defenses are comprised of 44 players.

Try this: how many other general managers (or teams, never mind GMs) have kept their team highly competitive for 13 straight seasons in a league with a genuine salary cap and free agency? Now take a look at all the clubs that were at or near the top of the NFL for multiple years in the cap/free agency era, and consider what happened to them.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Mentioning Jordan and Brady in the same sentence is just stupid. Jordan won 6 rings and took several years off...plus he never lost a championship

If Brady had 5, then the discussion could get interesting.

I see Brady more as the Gretzky/Jeter/Duncan of football. He's been stuck on 3 rings for eternity it seems ...he should have 5, but Jeter could say he should have 8 rings since he lost several World Series.

He took a year and a half off, in the single most inexplicable decision ever made by a superstar athlete. And the NBA required Jordan so much that this was never discussed, just glossed over. Yep, the greatest competitor of all time decided he didn't want to compete! Or, maybe he was grieving his father. In public. On buses with young kids.

The Jordan retirement needs to negatively effect his legacy, not promote it. If all he cares about is being the best basketball player of all time (and that's all he cares about, he is an abject failure at every other aspect of life other than hawking product like he's Vince Shlomi), then this should be a true detriment.

Nobody has ever bothered to explain why he left. If he was grieving his dead father, it doesn't make sense to do so by staying in the public eye and playing professional baseball, something he had no business doing (he was taking at bats away from actual prospects at the Double A level). If he had truly accomplished everything he could on the court (which is what he said at the time), why was he diving back in less than 18 months later so Nick Anderson could steal the ball from him and knock him out of the playoffs?

Plus Jordan never once beat a great team in the playoffs. The Barkley Suns, Stockton and Malone when they were past their prime, and the Sonics were a year away until Kemp started drinking. Don't give me a Knicks team that could not shoot or dribble either.

I'm so bored with the Jordan myth. He's one of the greatest athletes I've ever seen. He's not this winged beast that magically graced us with his presence. He was a guy with a great turnaround jumper and a guy with a personality disorder.