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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.As Florio points out on PFT in the latest post, the conditions of Dennard's probation very well may have restricted him from any alcohol consumption whatsoever, so that may point to some bad times ahead just in that regard alone...
The only reason that he received the Failure to Comply citation was that the officer claimed Dennard didn't blow hard enough into the breathalyzer. And that, to me, sounds like a ton of BS on the officer's part. I've never heard that there was a specific strength you had to blow into the breathalyzer for it to give an accurate reading. The breathalyzer isn't like a lung capacity meter where you have to blow your hardest for as long as possible..
Right, the inability (or assumed inability) to consume alcohol may be the biggest factor that we're dealing with here.
Keep in mind that the original case involved alcohol and a bar fight, so I think it's a valid concern to worry that there is a "no alcohol" clause in the probation terms. That could warrant a revocation of his probation, especially considering how tough they played things the first time through out there.
Guess you missed the part where there was no clause prohibiting Dennard from drinking alcohol in his probation. Typical. You believe Florio over Jeff Howe.
Please tell me that you didn't give Florio a click for that information.
Yes, there is a minimum amount that you have to blow into a breathalyzer. Short version is that I believe it measures concentration in a volume of air. If you don't provide sufficient volume, it won't register. Might have something to do with making sure that the breath is coming from deep in your lungs, which provides a more accurate reading ??
For what it's worth, it has been something we've been discussing here on the forum.
I think it's pretty reasonable to feel that someone may have a no alcohol clause in their probational terms, especially considering that his original charge stemmed from a barfight.
I may indeed have read Florio's comments at some point, as I do check the site every day--but this is not exactly an original thought.
I've seen a ton of defendants have no alcohol clauses as part of their restrictions, particularly those that stem from fights and bars.
If Jeff Howe personally read the restrictions of Dennard's probationary contract or has some inside source then no one here was aware of that as current as about an hour ago, and if they were they certainly didn't share that info.
I never once stated that he definitely had that clause--who the hell would really know aside from the P.O. and or the judge/Dennard? I simply stated that may end up coming into play, which is entirely reasonable.
Alfonzo Dennard's probation orders do not prohibit him from drinking, according to a Lancaster County Court spokesman.
According to Dennard, the machine got a reading, both times, that was below the legal limit.
Jeff Howe tweeted it 3 days ago, July 11th, at 2:52 pm.
https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/355414195833028609
I'm sorry if no one else has decided to report it. That doesn't make it any less true. Hell, it just speaks of shoddy reporting on the part of the other reporters. But that is par for the course. Especially when it comes to anything dealing with the Patriots of late.
You're a trip, dude.
Why don't you simply state that we know for sure (I hadn't heard otherwise), instead of acting like a douchebag? I hadn't heard Jeff Howe's comments, and apparently neither did a lot of people or they wouldn't have been asking about it. Thinking that someone may have a no-alcohol clause in their probation that stemmed from a barfight is pretty reasonable, no?
What does "typical" even mean? I wished you well multiple times when you got married, and have always treated you respectfully. Unfortunately, you don't share the same respect to others, and your true colors have really been showing lately.
You were 100% wrong about Hernandez being charged and the "fabrication of the media" conspiracy theory, and you've been wrong on many other accounts too (as we all are sometimes). You could use a lesson in humility and respect to others, and you take any kind of negative Patriots related information WAY too seriously--it's almost weird.
Volume is different than pressure. The amount you blow into the machine is the volume. The pressure is how hard the air pushes against the objects. One is measure in Cubic Feet or Cubic Meters (or their deliniations) and the other is measured in Pound per Square Inch, Pascals, or Millibars.
According to the company that makes most of the breathalyzers, taking a deep breath and exhaling it normally is all that is needed, provided that the person has the mouthpiece properly in their mouth to ensure that outside air does not enter the machine. That is the responsibility of the administering officer.
Per the citation, Dennard supposedly didn't blow hard enough. Not that he didn't provide enough air to the machine. That would imply that there is a minimum PSI needed. Not a minimum volume needed. According to Dennard, the machine got a reading, both times, that was below the legal limit.
It sure sounds to me like the officer made something up to put Dennard in a bind because of being on probation instead of Dennard having actually done something wrong.
And according to both officers involved, Dennard was swerving, smelled like alcohol, and failed the field sobriety tests. The only way to tell for sure if from the video evidence, which is installed in many/most police cars and used as prosecuting evidence in court. That will be their most damning evidence, and the only way that this question will be answered.
Not sure how familiar you are with criminal activity, but the old "not blowing hard enough" trick is used very commonly in regards to giving DUI tests.
In reality, they don't need any video evidence. The fact that they'll have 2 sworn officers giving their side of things will be plenty, along with the fact that he supposedly failed the sobriety test, smelled like alcohol, and was committing an infraction to begin with re: swerving.
His only real shot is getting the probable cause of the traffic stop thrown out, especially since he didn't give a blood test or an accurate reading. In the meantime he has his violation of probation hearing to deal with, so this isn't even his biggest worry at the moment.
All we can do is hope that it all works out.
I didn't major in physics in college, so this might come across as a stupid question, but isn't volume of air related to pressure in a timed event ? If you don't blow hard enough, wouldn't that be "not providing enough air to the machine" ?
The "not blowing hard enough" to try and trick a breathalyzer is a myth. The issue isn't PSI, but VOLUME. And they are two totally different things as you know.
Can You Trick a Breathalyzer?
No, they didn't say he was swerving. They said he was straddling the line. And just because 2 sworn officers say something doesn't mean a damn thing. They do need the video evidence to corroborate their story.
I disagree. The traffic violation is one thing. The DUI and "Refusal to Take a Chemical Test" is another.
Nebraska is an "implied consent" state. And contrary to Pat68, Nebraska CAN ask you to take a breathalyzer or blood test PRIOR to your arrest. However, you can refuse either before or after and they cannot force you, though it does result in suspension of your license.
Nebraska DWI/DUI: Refusal to Take a Blood, Breath or Urine Test | drivinglaws.org
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Nebraska Legislature
I noticed that the police report said that the standard FSTs were given at the scene, though no mention of pass or fail of those tests are in the report. I question what they mean by "adequate breath sample" at the station. The office models are typically top of the line and require the least amount of volume of exhaled CO2 to work.
Now, Dennard could have been belligerent by the time they got to the station and just flat out refused because he knew he passed the FSTs.
But, as you said, we can only hope it works out.
Guess you missed the part where there was no clause prohibiting Dennard from drinking alcohol in his probation. Typical. You believe Florio over Jeff Howe.
Volume is different than pressure. The amount you blow into the machine is the volume. The pressure is how hard the air pushes against the objects. One is measure in Cubic Feet or Cubic Meters (or their deliniations) and the other is measured in Pound per Square Inch, Pascals, or Millibars.
According to the company that makes most of the breathalyzers, taking a deep breath and exhaling it normally is all that is needed, provided that the person has the mouthpiece properly in their mouth to ensure that outside air does not enter the machine. That is the responsibility of the administering officer.
Per the citation, Dennard supposedly didn't blow hard enough. Not that he didn't provide enough air to the machine. That would imply that there is a minimum PSI needed. Not a minimum volume needed. According to Dennard, the machine got a reading, both times, that was below the legal limit.
It sure sounds to me like the officer made something up to put Dennard in a bind because of being on probation instead of Dennard having actually done something wrong.
Respectively (I will follow Supa's excellent example of respectful posts, it is why I enjoy reading him so much) that turns out not to be the case. Your definition of pressure is close enough. However, "the amount you blow into the machine" is not volume, it is mass or number of molecules, directly proportional to both volume and pressure, inversely proportional to temperature. As an example, if you add air to your tire, the volume remains approximately the same, but the mass of air (or number of molecules) increases.
I never thought that elementary thermodynamics (and the ideal gas law) would ever be the subject of a PatFans post, I thought it was about football