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WR: if Pats re-sign Edelman and Lloyd, are we stronger at WR than we were last season


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Maybe JE is worth more to the Pats than anyone else. Maybe BB wants to prove that to JE's agent much like it appears he is doing to Lloyd. Than when the market bottoms if BB needs one or both - there they are.

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Re: WR - if we re-sign Edelman and Lloy, are we stronger at WR than we were last se

As the season came to a close, his playing time was pretty much nothing. Here are his snaps for the last 8 games (Thanksgiving through the AFCCG):

8/72
2/63
17/70
4/67
30/80
18/59
16/78
9/72


Total: 104/561

The only game where he saw somewhat significant time was Christmas Eve when McCourty moved back to CB and Wilson moved from the #4 to #3 S on the depth chart (by comparison, Chung logged 61/80 snaps).

That doesn't look like the progression of a guy the coaching staff is trusting more and improving week to week. It looks like a guy who barely played, even though the guys ahead of him - Chung and Gregory - were consistently between below average and horrific.

This ridiculous belief that Wilson will be a sure-fire quality starter next year is beyond me. He couldn't earn a starting role when the guys ahead of him were, like you said, horrible.

I hope Tavon turns out great, but I'm still of the belief we need a real starting safety next to McCourty. Adrian is a stop gap at best and at best he'll be a mediocre starter. Gregory, Wilson, Ebner are all in the "below average-terrible" category.
 
Re: WR: if Pats re-sign Edelman and Lloyd, are we stronger at WR than we were last se

Hence why I said he was a better 'football player'. Look at my post.

You're moving the goal posts now. Your original statement was that he should have been on the field instead of Lloyd. What he does in other phases of the game is irrelevant given the context of your original statement.

Either you meant it as a slight against or you didn't.

It was neither of the sort. I already pointed out a slight when I noted that Edelman wasn't able to do what Lloyd did even though he had a three year head start.

Blown coverage is blown coverage. Lloyd had two, how blown is really splitting hairs. Overall I think it's silly to knock a player for catching a TD on blown coverage. By definition the Patriots offense is predicated on Brady throwing you the ball because a WR is taking advantage of an error by the defense. It's a mismatch, clever scheme that they use. Brady typically doesn't throw balls that require a great deal of physical finesse to catch if he has someone wide open or in a clear mismatch situation.

It's not splitting hairs at all. Lloyd's man was trailing, meaning his man overreacted for a split second and Lloyd got separation. Edelman didn't even have a man until Landry picked him up and, by then, Edelman was already three steps ahead of him with the ball in the air.

The gap was narrowing until he got injured, really. That's all it was.

I didn't take into account the injured games when I compared the two.

He got injured. If you remember in that span between the Ravens and Colts game he was on absolute fire. They were using him in reverses, post routes, on sideline fades, everywhere.

In that given span...

8 rec., 73 yards, 1 TD
1 rush, 47 yards, 0 TD

It would seem that your definition of "on fire" needs some polishing.

These two are pretty related so I'll answer them together: because he probably hasn't recovered from his foot injury *and* perhaps there is the thought he doesn't want to leave New England anyway like Vollmer.

The fact that you have to guess is telling. He's had since Week 13 to recover from that injury. Perhaps he had gangrene?

Ignore those two, here's another - only 18 out of roughly 70 FA WRs have been signed so far. AKA, it's still early. Assuming 25% of those WRs suck and should retire, that's 18/46 or roughly 40% of the viable WRs have been signed so far.

You're destroying your own contention about Edelman's ability as a WR here. The market for FA's was not very good and, with Wallace, Boldin, and Harvin gone, it's even worse. If Edelman was the WR you and Tony made him out to be, he would have already been scooped up by now.

For someone that's injured, I don't think it's unrealistic that you could have some talent and not be in the first 40% that has been signed. By the way, there have been rumblings that Houston and Chicago are interested, but I haven't confirmed any solid source. Just saw it on twitter recently.

Those two teams need PR's so I'm not surprised.

Maybe JE is worth more to the Pats than anyone else. Maybe BB wants to prove that to JE's agent much like it appears he is doing to Lloyd. Than when the market bottoms if BB needs one or both - there they are.

Given the two posters' original contention re: Edelman, a WR like that would be worth a good deal to any team, especially at a bargain basement price for a guy that is also a very good PR.
 
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This ridiculous belief that Wilson will be a sure-fire quality starter next year is beyond me. He couldn't earn a starting role when the guys ahead of him were, like you said, horrible.

I hope Tavon turns out great, but I'm still of the belief we need a real starting safety next to McCourty. Adrian is a stop gap at best and at best he'll be a mediocre starter. Gregory, Wilson, Ebner are all in the "below average-terrible" category.

I think the problem with the arguments you advance here and elsewhere is you consistently assume the worst case scenario and then use that to inform your analysis.
 
Re: WR - if we re-sign Edelman and Lloy, are we stronger at WR than we were last se

How could anyone in their right mind say the Patriots are better off with Amendola than Welker?

Wes Welker is arguably the greatest slot WR of all time. The man has been responsible for over 30% off all Tom Brady's passes and caught more than 100 balls every year he has been with the Patriots. Did I mention he has been an ironman compared to Amendola?

I don't argue that Amendola is a quality option when healthy, but there is little evidence that he is in same league as Welker on the rare occasion that he has been healthy. The man has only played in 11 games over the last two years and has 64 catches in that time.

The Pats have downgraded themselves at the WR position for reasons only they can explain. If they truly wanted Welker they could have had him for a few dollars more. Fact if the matter is Belichick didnt truly want Welker back for personal reasons. Simply watch the first couple of games from last season when the Pats clearly tried to phase Welker out in favor of the very mediocre Julian Edelman. All of which is infuriating when one considers how much under the cap the Pats are and how they have yet to fill positions of need. Felger is correct when he suggests the Patriots are in search of a great deal rather than a great player. Tom Brady is getting too old for this type of nickel and dime approach to the f/a market.

At the moment the Patriots are worse than they were at the end of last season and that is inexcusable considering how much cap space they have to play with and the players who were on the market at very reduced rates.

Wes Welker blew out his knee without being touched. Had that happened in training camp, he would have missed the entire season. As it was, he missed the most important part of the season, the playoffs. Gronk, as awesome as he is, seems to be escaping the fragile label on this board, although the facts suggest otherwise. IMO, DA is every bit as tough as WW, he just hasn't been as lucky.
 
Re: WR - if we re-sign Edelman and Lloy, are we stronger at WR than we were last se

Wes Welker blew out his knee without being touched. Had that happened in training camp, he would have missed the entire season. As it was, he missed the most important part of the season, the playoffs. Gronk, as awesome as he is, seems to be escaping the fragile label on this board, although the facts suggest otherwise. IMO, DA is every bit as tough as WW, he just hasn't been as lucky.

I haven't posted in a long time, but this merits one.

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P.S. Deus, I love you.

-Jamman
 
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