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Please don't get on me for not drinking either side's Kool Aid. I believe the Patriots (specifically BB) did not want Welker back and I think he didn't want to return either. I also agree that after saying Welker would be a "PAT for life", Kraft had a bit of egg on his face. (When has he ever publicly discussed a contract? Never. And with more than a trace of anger.). I'm purposely leaving out perceived slights and ego bruisngs from both sides BB and WW in order to keep it objective.

I also think the offer to Welker was an absolute message and he jumped ship. Regardless of the "legality" of the deal, I also think Amendola's deal was agreed to in principal during the weekend, and that announcement just coming mere hours after WW signed was also a message that he would not be missed.

I've been following sports for over 50 years and as you can guess I don't believe anyone when it comes to money. Owner or player. That's how I stay sane.
 
Full statement

Wes Welker's representatives respond to Robert Kraft - NFL.com

"Athletes First has tremendous respect for Mr. Kraft and the entire Patriots organization. We have successfully consummated numerous deals with the team including Drew Bledsoe's landmark 2001 contract and this year's extension for Aaron Hernandez. We are grateful for how the Patriots treated Wes Welker during his tenure in Boston and know Wes will have many fond memories and friendships from his years with this great franchise.


"We do not wish to rehash each step of the recent negotiations. Nor would we ever question a team's negotiation approach as each NFL front office is entitled to the presumption of professionalism. However, we are cognizant of Mr. Kraft's close friendship with Wes Welker and understand his frustration. In that light, we are not offended by Mr. Kraft's statements regarding Athletes First's role in the negotiation and are confident that Mr. Kraft has great respect for the work we do on behalf of our clients.

"We do, however, feel the need to clarify some of the confusion surrounding these negotiations. Specifically, both sides are clear that the Patriots made one offer to Wes Welker since the prior negotiations ended in July 2012. Both sides also agree that this two-year offer came just hours before the start of free agency despite discussions that began at the NFL Combine. Moreover, this lone offer was presented as a "take it or leave it offer." When we asked if there was room for structural changes, we were told no. We made a counter-offer for the same term and same maximum dollar amount as their offer and it was rejected. We inquired if any of the offer's components were negotiable and were told no. This refusal to actually negotiate made it easy to reject the Patriots offer. Nevertheless, when we received the Denver Broncos' offer, Wes personally talked to Mr. Kraft to give the Patriots the opportunity to match it. The Patriots rejected this opportunity and Wes signed with the Denver Broncos.

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"Despite Mr. Kraft's impression to the contrary, the Patriots representatives who participated in these phone calls never indicated that the team "would have even gone up" on their offer, or that these discussions occurred "before we thought we were going into free agency." Instead, the Patriots made it abundantly clear that their one offer was non-negotiable. Athletes First has no issue with this approach and casts no blame on either side for a deal not being consummated. However, we believe it is important that the negotiations are accurately portrayed in the media.

"Mr. Kraft is an exceptional NFL owner with a track record of not only fielding championship teams, but also helping make the National Football League the tremendous league that it is today. It is a league that absolutely sparks passion amongst its fan base and that passion was evident yesterday from the lifelong Patriots fan Mr. Kraft. Once the frustrations settle down, however, we hope both sides will focus not upon what went wrong, but instead everything Wes did right on-and-off the field during his time with the Patriots. That Wes deserves a lengthy standing ovation when he returns to Foxboro Stadium with the Denver Broncos is one conclusion upon which both sides can readily agree."
Yeah , lets concentrate on the ovation right now.
 
Please don't get on me for not drinking either side's Kool Aid. I believe the Patriots (specifically BB) did not want Welker back and I think he didn't want to return either. I also agree that after saying Welker would be a "PAT for life", Kraft had a bit of egg on his face. (When has he ever publicly discussed a contract? Never. And with more than a trace of anger.). I'm purposely leaving out perceived slights and ego bruisngs from both sides BB and WW in order to keep it objective.

I also think the offer to Welker was an absolute message and he jumped ship. Regardless of the "legality" of the deal, I also think Amendola's deal was agreed to in principal during the weekend, and that announcement just coming mere hours after WW signed was also a message that he would not be missed.

I've been following sports for over 50 years and as you can guess I don't believe anyone when it comes to money. Owner or player. That's how I stay sane.

Don't agree with either position
 
Re: Welker's Agent: "It was take it or leave it" from Patriots

welker is coming across as someone who can't move on......or keep his mouth shut

it got him into trouble here.......and in the end, its sour grapes

at this point, I am glad he is gone

spiteful little prick

It's clear that you don't understand the difference between Welker and Welker's agent. I suggest you re-evaluate your opinion based on the fact that it was Welker's agent and not Welker who made the statement. Otherwise, you are the one who looks spiteful.
 
Re: Welker's Agent: "It was take it or leave it" from Patriots

welker is coming across as someone who can't move on......or keep his mouth shut

it got him into trouble here.......and in the end, its sour grapes

at this point, I am glad he is gone

spiteful little prick



Right on the money, as usual. In fact I saw him on camera yesterday at the owners meetings and the stress of this has aged him horribly, his hair was white and he looked about 80 and had open sores all over his face. He just can't shut up about this and that's really obvious. Personally he doesn't look like he's up to playing in the NFL anymore, he looked really bad and completely full of crap.
 
Re: Welker's Agent: "It was take it or leave it" from Patriots

More like his agents were clarifying since the Pats put out their side for damage control

Pats offer to Welker was lower and also Amendola was option1. They signed him before FA.

The incentive contract was unachievable given Josh downplaying Welker in his system, only going back due to injuries

The agents did misplay the market. Last year's market was much better for players

Clearly you don't know wtf you are talking about. Amendola was NOT signed prior to the start of free agency. In fact, his contract wasn't filed until THURSDAY. The Pats didn't reach an agreement with Amendola until AFTER Welker's initial refusal. This idiotic idea you are attempting to perpetuate has no basis in reality.

Secondly, the offer to Welker was two years/10 million (more than Amendola will make in the 1st 2 years) with the ability to make it to 16M. And, regardless of what Josh was TRYING to do (of which there is no hard evidence since Brady is the one who has the final say on where the Ball goes), Welker was still the teams #1 weapon last year.

So, would you please just stop with your lies. They are pathetic..
 
Please don't get on me for not drinking either side's Kool Aid. I believe the Patriots (specifically BB) did not want Welker back and I think he didn't want to return either. I also agree that after saying Welker would be a "PAT for life", Kraft had a bit of egg on his face. (When has he ever publicly discussed a contract? Never. And with more than a trace of anger.). I'm purposely leaving out perceived slights and ego bruisngs from both sides BB and WW in order to keep it objective.

When has Kraft ever publicly discussed a contract? Tom Brady. Troy Brown. Tedy Bruschi. Richard Seymour. Matt Light. Logan Mankins. Vince Wilfork. Kraft has made statements on those guys.

This idea that the Pats didn't want him back just doesn't fly. If Welker didn't want to come back, then why did he call the Pats with the Denver offer to see if the Pats would match?

You clearly haven't bothered to think things through what so ever.

I also think the offer to Welker was an absolute message and he jumped ship. Regardless of the "legality" of the deal, I also think Amendola's deal was agreed to in principal during the weekend, and that announcement just coming mere hours after WW signed was also a message that he would not be missed.

I've been following sports for over 50 years and as you can guess I don't believe anyone when it comes to money. Owner or player. That's how I stay sane.

What you think and what is reality are clearly different. Thanks for your flawed opinions.
 
Re: Welker's Agent: "It was take it or leave it" from Patriots

More like his agents were clarifying since the Pats put out their side for damage control

Pats offer to Welker was lower and also Amendola was option1. They signed him before FA.

The incentive contract was unachievable given Josh downplaying Welker in his system, only going back due to injuries

The agents did misplay the market. Last year's market was much better for players

maverick04, do you have turn every thread into blame Josh McDaniels for everything that goes wrong with this team?
 
When has Kraft ever publicly discussed a contract? Tom Brady. Troy Brown. Tedy Bruschi. Richard Seymour. Matt Light. Logan Mankins. Vince Wilfork. Kraft has made statements on those guys.

Guess they never taught semantics in Texas. Making a statement is not holding court for 20 minutes castigating a player's agent for misrepresenting their client's market value. idea that the Pats didn't want him back just doesn't fly. If Welker didn't want to come back, then why did he call the Pats with the Denver offer to see if the Pats would match?

It's called posturing. From both sides. He went back to New England knowing they would not give him another offer, and saved face. They can say we offered him more. It's done all the time. If they wanted each other so badly why is he in Denver????? You clearly haven't bothered to think things through what so ever.

What you think and what is reality are clearly different. Didn't realize you were privy to the negotiations. Thanks for your flawed opinions.
I've managed just fine with my flawed opinions. I'll ask you the question once again. If they wanted each other so badly, why is he in Denver and why did Amendola get signed right (and I mean right) after WW bolted?
 
... don't believe either one ... both parties are lying but, going from "There was no offer" to a full blown press release about a "take it or leave it" offer is too much.:mad: The guy bluffed and got called, end of story. Screw him.
 
Just answer one question...was it consistent with Curran report yesterday where Dunn indicated that there was no offer "ever period"?

Yes, absolutely, as some of the same people who are now insisting it was impossible were probably noting when the question of whether an actual "official" offer was made was first brought forward (during the tampering period, I believe). I do love how people here are playing the semantics game with a 100% gullibility factor in favor of the team, though. The same team who wants you to believe that it is 100% clean on this has been yanking the chains of its top players for over a decade, yet the suckers keep buying the stories.

Bottom line is never going to change: They could have given Welker his due at any time during the last 4-5 years and this wouldn't be an issue today. Instead, they tried to lowball him, and now the uncoverable slot receiver is in Denver while the brittle wannabe is in NE.

It is what it is.
 
... don't believe either one ... both parties are lying but, going from "There was no offer" to a full blown press release about a "take it or leave it" offer is too much.:mad: The guy bluffed and got called, end of story. Screw him.


Couldn't agree more, he sucks, screw him.

Btw-That was some fine use of the MAD emoticons, I got the full emotional sense of your anger, well played sir.
 
This case sums up what is wrong with the franchise tag - totally unforeseen downside by the player's union. Yes, getting paid as one of the highest at your position is great, but one year deals just kills players who are in their prime.

Welker should have signed a 4-5 yr big boy contract last year. They couldn't agree and he got tagged. Then Denver & the Pats offer a 2 yr deal. In 2015 Welker has very limited upside on a subsequent deal. Also if Kraft is to be believed, you have to assume the Broncos go to the bottom (read cut salary) when manning retires which could be after this upcoming season so Welker has a lot of risk.

I don't see how the tag can't get reworked. Players must hate it.
 
Yes, absolutely, as some of the same people who are now insisting it was impossible were probably noting when the question of whether an actual "official" offer was made was first brought forward (during the tampering period, I believe). I do love how people here are playing the semantics game with a 100% gullibility factor in favor of the team, though. The same team who wants you to believe that it is 100% clean on this has been yanking the chains of its top players for over a decade, yet the suckers keep buying the stories.


Mr. Kraft would not fib, let alone lie. Agents are liars, owners are truthtellers. The Patriots did their absolute best but Welker is a moneygrubbing little punk who cost Mr. Kraft 2 rings, but still Mr.Kraft went the distance to bring him back for life. It's Welker's fault that he thinks his life is going to be more than 2 years, it clearly isn't. If Welker hadn't been looking to bankrupt the team he would be a Patriot for life/2014.
 
Yes, absolutely, as some of the same people who are now insisting it was impossible were probably noting when the question of whether an actual "official" offer was made was first brought forward (during the tampering period, I believe). I do love how people here are playing the semantics game with a 100% gullibility factor in favor of the team, though. The same team who wants you to believe that it is 100% clean on this has been yanking the chains of its top players for over a decade, yet the suckers keep buying the stories.

Bottom line is never going to change: They could have given Welker his due at any time during the last 4-5 years and this wouldn't be an issue today. Instead, they tried to lowball him, and now the uncoverable slot receiver is in Denver while the brittle wannabe is in NE.

It is what it is.

Curran I think would disagree with you. He seemed pretty clear with his impression from Dunn that there was never any offer.

I also think your stance and post is filled with as much or more one sided perspective as any other in this thread. Its not that people think that the Patriots are always "clean" with regards to their player interactions, its just that they are indifferent to the tactics. People really don't want to see how the sausage is made. They just want it to taste good in the end.
 
Agents: Pats' offer was 'take it or leave it' - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

I'm glad they are taking the high road.

Seems clear to me that what was being communicated to the agents, and what has the actual margin for negotiation differed, at least from what is being said here.

Interesting that they claim an offer was made with the same money and same term length that was rejected. So much for Kraft's comments about how the $2 million wouldn't have been a stumbling block.

I hope that there was a sprinkler system in the room he gave that statement. His pants must have been on fire.
 
This case sums up what is wrong with the franchise tag - totally unforeseen downside by the player's union. Yes, getting paid as one of the highest at your position is great, but one year deals just kills players who are in their prime.

Welker should have signed a 4-5 yr big boy contract last year. They couldn't agree and he got tagged. Then Denver & the Pats offer a 2 yr deal. In 2015 Welker has very limited upside on a subsequent deal. Also if Kraft is to be believed, you have to assume the Broncos go to the bottom (read cut salary) when manning retires which could be after this upcoming season so Welker has a lot of risk.

I don't see how the tag can't get reworked. Players must hate it.

Regarding the bold section -- problem is, I don't believe that was ever on the table. Weren't the Pats offering no more than 2 years last year as well? And Welker wanted 3 or more. So you can't blame Welker for not signing what wasn't there.
 
I will maintain what I said in the Kraft thread. The truth is probably somewhere in between the two sides of the story.
 
No offer was ever made, Dunn contends. Period.

the Patriots made one offer to Wes Welker since the prior negotiations ended in July 2012. Both sides also agree that this two-year offer came just hours before the start of free agency

yeah, ok..........
 
yeah, ok..........

Right on the money.

Mr. Kraft made it clear they wanted Welker to be a Patriot for life and then went out of his way to make him the two year offer that would have achieved just that. The patriots pushed the envelope to bring back Welker he just wanted wayyyyy too much money and it would have broken the team to give it to him. There is simply no way they could have brought back Koutivides had they signed Welker, let alone Ross Ventrone.
 
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