The Pats Should CONSIDER Replacing Matt Patricia

[Deus Irae]

Re: That Pats Should Replace Matt Patricia

Just a thing I've noticed in seeing some of your posts, most are spent stating how posters do not think or how posts are "garbage" very rarely do you offer anything but mockery.

I get that you're butthurt because I find your position on Welker laughably foolish, but stalking me with this sort of post is incredibly immature of you. Man up about it, instead of following me around like a scolded child.

And I probably offer more content-based and data-based commentary than anyone else here.

 

[DarrylStingley]

Re: That Pats Should Replace Matt Patricia

It [highlight]could be[/highlight] that Matt Patricia is a hard case and scares the living **** out of BB. We don't know the inner dynamics, and we certainly don't know that Crennel challenging BB would be of any use at this point.

Your argument here is nothing but guesswork, and it certainly doesn't merit a "replace Patricia" post. It's like most of your arguments:

The "buzz" argument
The Curran argument
The "many flaws" argument
The "BB intereference" argument

Those are all really lousy arguments. They're horrible either because they are near-total speculations (Buzz/Curran) or because they ignore what's pretty much always true (many flaws/BB interference). The only argument you made that didn't suck was that Crennel is available. However, having other options isn't a reason why the Patriots should replace Patricia. There are always other options available.

Matt Patricia has been the D.C. for just one year. If BB doesn't think things are working out, for whatever reason, he should move on. Outside of that, you've offered nothing that shows Patricia to be an issue.

Agree to disagree. I think you can learn a lot from inference. I think the lack of positive commentary about Patricia is telling, for example. It's not at all odd to you that we've heard TONS of positive "buzz" about Crennel, Weis and McDaniels as coordinators and nothing about Patricia?

No one is going to trash Patricia in the press. That's clearly NOT the Patriot Way. But that it's been silent tells me something.

But that's my last reply. We disagree and maybe my thread title was too strong. I thought about making it a question and chose not to. Next time, I'll be a bit less strident so we can discuss the issues without as much noise, hopefully.

 

[PATRlOT]

Re: That Pats Should Replace Matt Patricia

I never liked him as our defensive coordinator. I'd like to see someone else in his place

 

[Deus Irae]

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Agree to disagree. I think you can learn a lot from inference.

You learn nothing from baseless inference, because you're not gaining anything factual.

I think the lack of positive commentary about Patricia is telling, for example. It's not at all odd to you that we've heard TONS of positive "buzz" about Crennel, Weis and McDaniels as coordinators and nothing about Patricia?

Patricia has been the D.C. for one season. I'm not sure what "buzz" you think a first year D.C. should be getting, but neither Weis nor Crennel was getting much "buzz" in their first seasons as coordinators. Weis, as a matter of fact, once had his playcalling duties taken away from him.

No one is going to trash Patricia in the press. That's clearly NOT the Patriot Way. But that it's been silent tells me something.

The silence tells you nothing. What's happened is that you've taken nothing and read it to mean something. That's not factual. It's pure speculation.

But that's my last reply. We disagree and maybe my thread title was too strong. I thought about making it a question and chose not to. Next time, I'll be a bit less strident so we can discuss the issues without as much noise, hopefully.

There's nothing wrong with speculation when you accept it as such. There's something wrong with it when you perceive it as fact. It's one thing for a trained criminal investigator to find clues and make an educated guess from them. It's quite another for someone on a message board to read into a lack of "buzz" about a first year D.C..

One could speculate based on your posts. for example...

You're generally a homer who'll defend pretty much all things Patriots, but you're all for getting rid of Patricia. So.... what have you got against defensive coordinators who wear beards?

 

[Brady2Moss]

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I get that you're butthurt because I find your position on Welker laughably foolish, but stalking me with this sort of post is incredibly immature of you. Man up about it, instead of following me around like a scolded child.

And I probably offer more content-based and data-based commentary than anyone else here.

I'm not stalking you I'm reading the most recent threads on the board? No ones butt hurt besides you it just sticks out like a sore thumb when I read this board and I see your one liners about how everyone else's posts are crap

 

[Deus Irae]

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I'm not stalking you I'm reading the most recent threads on the board? No ones butt hurt besides you it just sticks out like a sore thumb when I read this board and I see your one liners about how everyone else's posts are crap

I'm not butthurt at all, unlike yourself, obviously. I merely find your stalking to be childish, and my "one liners", as you put it, have been about really poor arguments made following a playoff loss. Your arguments about Welker are pathetic. Darryl's arguments about Patricia are terrible. Darryl posts fairly frequently, and I think he'll tell you that I have not historically called his posts crap, and that's because he generally has a viewpoint and posts logically and consistently from that position. He's an asset to the board, just as he was (is?) an asset to Patriots Planet.

In this case, I think he went outside of his normal zone, and his post suffered as a result. It happens to everyone.

 

[DarrylStingley]

Re: That Pats Should Replace Matt Patricia

You learn nothing from baseless inference, because you're not gaining anything factual.



Patricia has been the D.C. for one season. I'm not sure what "buzz" you think a first year D.C. should be getting, but neither Weis nor Crennel was getting much "buzz" in their first seasons as coordinators. Weis, as a matter of fact, once had his playcalling duties taken away from him.



The silence tells you nothing. What's happened is that you've taken nothing and read it to mean something. That's not factual. It's pure speculation.



There's nothing wrong with speculation when you accept it as such. There's something wrong with it when you perceive it as fact. It's one thing for a trained criminal investigator to find clues and make an educated guess from them. It's quite another for someone on a message board to read into a lack of "buzz" about a first year D.C..

Patricia didn't have the title but he was the coordinator last year too.

And you're simply wrong that you can't learn from silence. You can.

Imagine if we were sitting by the pool with 10 of our friends, and 10 gorgeous women walked by and each time our group erupted and made all kinds of positive comments about their looks.

Ten minutes later a very homely woman walked by and the group was totally silent.

In absence of any commentary from the group, you would not have facts about what they thought of the homely woman's looks.

But you could draw an inference from the silence.

Here it's the same.

Pats players were loud in their praise of Charlie, Romeo and Josh. We heard lots of positive "catcalls" about them. Pats players have been -- unless I missed it -- silent with regard to Matt.

Sure, there are no facts. We have no interviews to point to. But we can learn from silence. Just like we could learn what it meant about how the crowd perceived the homely woman.

 

[Brady2Moss]

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I'm not butthurt at all, unlike yourself, obviously. I merely find your stalking to be childish, and my "one liners", as you put it, have been about really poor arguments made following a playoff loss. Your arguments about Welker are pathetic. Darryl's arguments about Patricia are terrible. Darryl posts fairly frequently, and I think he'll tell you that I have not historically called his posts crap, and that's because he generally has a viewpoint and posts logically and consistently from that position. He's an asset to the board, just as he was (is?) an asset to Patriots Planet.

In this case, I think he went outside of his normal zone, and his post suffered as a result. It happens to everyone.

You're not the end all be all judge of arguments like you'd like to think. Just because you say someones arguments are poor and pathetic doesn't make it so. I'd rather discuss things instead of get into petty name calling like you do. Why do you keep bringing my comments into it this is an entirely different thread.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Patricia didn't have the title but he was the coordinator last year too.

No, BB was clearly serving as at least a co-coordinator last year.

And you're simply wrong that you can't learn from silence. You can.

I didn't say that you can't learn from silence. What I said was that the silence tells you nothing.

Imagine if we were sitting by the pool with 10 of our friends, and 10 gorgeous women walked by and each time our group erupted and made all kinds of positive comments about their looks.

Ten minutes later a very homely woman walked by and the group was totally silent.

In absence of any commentary from the group, you would not have facts about what they thought of the homely woman's looks.

But you could draw an inference from the silence.

Your inference would be foolish. There are too many possible variables unaccounted for. I've been in the situation you drew up and not commented later about a beautiful woman who walked by. The silence wasn't because she was unattractive. The silence was because we were no longer in the "scan" mode.

Here it's the same.

Indeed, it is.

Pats players were loud in their praise of Charlie, Romeo and Josh. We heard lots of positive "catcalls" about them. Pats players have been -- unless I missed it -- silent with regard to Matt.

Sure, there are no facts. We have no interviews to point to. But we can learn from silence. Just like we could learn what it meant about how the crowd perceived the homely woman.

I've already discussed the Weis/Crennel thing. It's meaningless, because it's you trying to equate a first year guy to guys with long histories.

 

[Deus Irae]

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You're not the end all be all judge of arguments like you'd like to think. Just because you say someones arguments are poor and pathetic doesn't make it so. I'd rather discuss things instead of get into petty name calling like you do. Why do you keep bringing my comments into it this is an entirely different thread.

1.) I don't claim to be the end all be all

2.) You're the one hopping from thread to thread making the comments. I just responded to you. Stop being a hypocrite. Get over the butthurt.

3.) Your Welker arguments suck, and they'll suck no matter how many threads you stalk me in.

4.) Given that you've called the Welker supporters "nut huggers", you've got no room to be complaining.

 

[Sciz]

Re: That Pats Should Replace Matt Patricia

I was thinking the exact opposite of this thread. Once Patricia had some reasonable talent to work with, he had that defense doing some very impressive things.

 

[DarrylStingley]

Re: That Pats Should Replace Matt Patricia

No, BB was clearly serving as at least a co-coordinator last year.



I didn't say that you can't learn from silence. What I said was that the silence tells you nothing.



Your inference would be foolish. There are too many possible variables unaccounted for. I've been in the situation you drew up and not commented later about a beautiful woman who walked by. The silence wasn't because she was unattractive. The silence was because we were no longer in the "scan" mode.



Indeed, it is.



I've already discussed the Weis/Crennel thing. It's meaningless, because it's you trying to equate a first year guy to guys with long histories.

Peace. Disagree. Peace.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Re: That Pats Should Replace Matt Patricia

1.) I don't claim to be the end all be all

2.) You're the one hopping from thread to thread making the comments. I just responded to you. Stop being a hypocrite. Get over the butthurt.

3.) Your Welker arguments suck, and they'll suck no matter how many threads you stalk me in.

If you think your important enough to be stalked or that me reading other threads on this forum is somehow stalking you then I don't really have a response.

And I said that today, I tried discussing it peacefully but all of the Welker fans came out of the woodworks to insult me and call me a moron so I did a bit of name calling back today.

 

[Deus Irae]

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If you think your important enough to be stalked or that me reading other threads on this forum is somehow stalking you then I don't really have a response.

And I said that today, I tried discussing it peacefully but all of the Welker fans came out of the woodworks to insult me and call me a moron so I did a bit of name calling back today.

You did the same thing in two separate threads. Call it "Hello Kitty" if you want. It's still stalking/crying. As for the Welker stuff, you posted garbage and got it responded to. That's what happens on a message board.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Peace. Disagree. Peace.

Have a great day, and I hope the Red Sox give you a better experience this season than last.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Re: That Pats Should Replace Matt Patricia

You did the same thing in two separate threads. Call it "Hello Kitty" if you want. It's still stalking/crying. As for the Welker stuff, you posted garbage and got it responded to. That's what happens on a message board.

You can call my opinion garbage all you want it won't change the fact that this team isn't winning the Super Bowl giving Welker $10 million.

You're very persistent so I'll follow Stingleys lead and say peace.

 

[SVN]

No matter who the DC is, they are going to run BB's scheme and defense so anyone thinks we will become steelers/ravens type D should forget it. Patricia may or may not be the problem but crennel never worked with this kind of secondary or passive defensive team and leadership so cannot compare.
Get better players, add some fierce leadership to the defense which can challenge our offense instead of looking forward to tom for leadership and then if it doesnt work blame Patricia.

 

[mayoclinic]

Re: That Pats Should Replace Matt Patricia

I was thinking the exact opposite of this thread. Once Patricia had some reasonable talent to work with, he had that defense doing some very impressive things.

Personally, it's a little early for me to judge Matt Patricia as a DC. This is only his first season with the official title, and I expect him to grow. And, as you say, there's a clear relationship between talent and scheme. The defense has gotten more talented - and we've already added another talent on DL this week - and the young players should get better with experience, and the defense better with more cohesion. Injuries took a major tool and eroded the development of individual players and of the unit as a whole. At times the defense showed signs of starting to get creative.

At the same time, I'm a little suspicious, and not 100% convinced that we wouldn't be off with an independent, experienced DC who could stand up to BB and bring a different perspect. I thought someone like Ray Horton would have been perfect. He did a great job with Arizona's hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense, and he is someone who seems more pragmatic than wedded to a particular schematic approach (though that's just my impression). Sort of like Romeo was - a very down to the earth, level headed, experienced guy. I thought someone like that could have been very good here.

I'm not saying that Matt Patricia won't be very good. But I do think there could be some benefit to having the right kind of outside guy with experience, and bring some new ideas in, if he had the temperment that he could work with BB, and vice-versa. But that's not easy to do.

 

[Deus Irae]

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You can call my opinion garbage all you want it won't change the fact that this team isn't winning the Super Bowl giving Welker $10 million.

You're very persistent so I'll follow Stingleys lead and say peace.

Your claim is not fact. Your claim is just an opinion formed without much, if any, thought. This team has had late leads in two Super Bowls where Welker was a starting WR, and both times the defense failed to hold the leads. Welker's salary will not be a reason for a SB win or the lack of one.

 

[DocHoliday]

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