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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.WRT a lack of talent in the secondary. The Pats won a SB with the likes of R Gay, E Moreland, T Poole and T Brown manning spots in the secondary. These guys were coached-up big time. Either that or the scheme was better.
Those same defensive backfields had Rodney Harrison, Ty Law, Asante Samuel and/or Lawyer Milloy in them.
Lack of high level DB talent is a reason why their pass defense isn't top 10. It's not the only reason why their pass defense is bottom 4.Those same defensive backfields had Rodney Harrison, Ty Law, Asante Samuel and/or Lawyer Milloy in them.
With the exception of McCourty's rookie season, before opponents got tape on him, the Patriots haven't had a top-quality DB on the team since Harrison retired, and one could argue that Harrison had fallen from that level even before his injury in 2008.
Injuries forced the likes of Gay, Poole, Moreland and even Brown into playing significant time back then however.
Lack of high level DB talent is a reason why their pass defense isn't top 10. It's not the only reason why their pass defense is bottom 4.
It's funny that a defensive style that gets to the Super Bowl just about every other year is outdated. How's the attack defense working out in Green Bay? Here are the defensive scoring rankings, per Pro-Football-Reference.com, post-2007:
NE
8
5
8
15
15
GB
22
7
2
19
9
Lack of high level DB talent is a reason why their pass defense isn't top 10. It's not the only reason why their pass defense is bottom 4.
Well, GB was 2nd overall one year and ,if I remember right, they actually won a Super Bowl 2 years ago. So I'd say their attack defense has worked out pretty well for them.
Aside from the Patriots, has a team won a Super Bowl in the 2000s who didn't have a defense known for getting after the QB?
00 Ravens- no
02 Buccaneers - no
05 Steelers - no
06 colts - no
07 Giants - no
08 Steelers - no
09 Saints - no
10 Packers - no
11 Giants - no
Finally, do you really want to claim the Patriots got to the super Bowl in 07 and last year based on their defense?
Mangini was our best secondary coach ever - - and he's available
The Patriots were 5th in scoring defense a couple of years back and just got the the Super Bowl last year. Using your own argument, their defense is working out for them.
The Colts '06? You're kidding with this, right? You can't ask the question below and go putting the Colts, Packers and Saints on this list.
I never made that claim. My position is pretty clear, so I don't know why you and Casanova are struggling to understand it. I'm not defending the defense. It's simple:
The team of the early 2000s had great players on all 3 levels of the defense. The team of the late 2000s and the 2010s to date has not had a single great player in the defensive backfield, and has had a very weak linebacking crew until this season. The main problem with the defense has been poor talent acquisition, not coaching. Even with the poor talent, the team has been in the top half of the league in scoring defense.
People were making the same claims about Dean Pees, but the defense hasn't turned around in his absence. In the meantime, Mr. Pees is now the DC of the 7-2 Baltimore Ravens
I repeat. The Packers actually won their Super Bowl. There is a difference.
The 06 Colts had dwight Freeney who was a pretty good pass rusher. My point was their pass defense, as were the saints and packers, was predicated more on their rush than coverage. There are no No 2-gap - bend but don't break defenses on the list. The patriots success in 01, 03 and 04 was the exception and not the rule.
Should you really have to have great players at every level to have an average defense? Scoring defense stats aren't the tell-tale statistic you think they are. Holding a team to a field goal isn't a good thing when that field goal beats you.
Nope, because by and large he gets it's all on him (as their selector, trainer, supervisor). He's let some coaches or assistants walk for a variety of reasons (they were unhappy with their upward mobility here or in Pees case likely the scheme restrictions, he was unhappy with their impatience or x's and o's accumen, one had mental issues - and he was a former player tapped to be a db guru). He did however take playcalling control away from Mangini midway through his lone season as a DC here. He did that not officially or by acknowledging any change beyond he simply took away the red sweatshirt that designates the DC (a throwback to the days before they had communication systems in player helmets that still at times malfunction) for defensive players to be able to visually locate the DC for call signals on the sideline.
If he's in red next week and holding a laminated sheet instead of taking notes in his tiny binder we will know who is calling in the defenses and Patricia will be in a little trouble. If Pepper is in red Patricia will have significant issues. While if instead BB id just MIA on the sidelines and found kneeling in front of a group of DB's between series then what he will have done is taken over coaching of the secondary. Whether that leads to a position coaching shakeup down the road will remain to be seen.
At yesterday's game BB spent significant time with the likes of Cunningham and Ninko.
You can't teach crap players
Via ESPN chat with Tedy Bruschi. He seems like he is leaning towards coaching. Pay attention to the last sentence he stated: "Uncontested TDs are a sign of an undisciplined defense"
Chat: Chat with Tedy Bruschi - SportsNation - ESPN Boston
Charles (Eureka, CA)
What do the Pats need to do to fix this pass defense? Getting Gregory back didn't help. Talib can practice this week but what will he really add?
Tedy (11:06 AM)
One of the biggest things that bothered me about this game were the coverage busts in the red area. There were two uncontested TDs by the Buffalo Bills -- to Scott Chandler and Donald Jones. Both touchdowns were a result of a lack of communication. The Buffalo Bills formed offensive sets that put their receivers in close proximity that caused traffic problems and forced communication. The proper adjustments are not being communicated. Uncontested TDs are a sign of an undisciplined defense.
No, there's not.
The 2007 Patriots were 2nd in the NFL in sacks. The 2011 Patriots had Carter and Anderson. Your argument is just not a good one.
In the NFL, you don't win with crap players combined with crap coaching. How many years in a row do you need to see that? The problem here is that people are so spoiled that they can't tell the difference between Patriots horrible and truly horrible, and this is one argument where the homers are often correct. For all the crying about the defense, it's in the middle of the pack in points allowed despite that terrible secondary, just like last season.
Please, feel free to list all the defensive backs who've sucked on the Patriots and excelled elsewhere after moving on.