Brainstorming......Ryan Mallet.

[ATippett56]

Allow me to explain my position in greater detail...

Ryan Mallett is a CREVICE.

A SPHINCTER.

He is the working part of an A HOLE.

But, hey...He's got a great arm.

SELL.

Please tell us how you REALLY feel?

 

[Off The Grid]

However if you agree with me that Mallet IS the better prospect, and both those guys will be picked in the 2nd round, then you HAVE to put a 2nd round value on Mallet. Am I right?

I don't think so.

The very most their Market Values can do is suggest a Market Value for Mallett.

They can't determine it.

Comparing Mallett to this year's prospects is Apples and Oranges.

You simply cannot draw a straight line to connect the dots on this one, much as I'd like to.

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In an extreme case, the 5th highest QB can command a 2nd Round Market Value...

And yet the 6th highest QB ~ the very next one ~ might command but a 5th Round Market Value.

We see these drop offs all the time.

You follow, Brother Pat?

Mallett's Market Value must ultimately stand on its own.

And I, personally, consider his donning of our Uniform to be an atrocity.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And I, personally, consider his donning of our Uniform to be an atrocity.

Much of what you write I agree with, but this . . .

 

[manxman2601]

Much of what you write I agree with, but this . . .

My favourite Yogi Berra-ism:

"When you come to a fork in the road, take it!"

 

[Off The Grid]

I, personally, consider his donning of our Uniform to be an atrocity.

Much of what you write I agree with, but this . . .

Divergence is Healthy, My Brother.

...Not that you need me to tell you that.

 

[WhiZa]

The value of Mallet has not changed much since he was drafted. Just because he made the team doesn't mean he is now a 1st or 2nd round pick. I would say his trade value is still 3rd round considering all he did (or didn't) do last season.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yup.

If any team were to offer a 2nd I would think BB would jump at it. We only got a 2nd for Cassell (and Vrabel) and Cassell played an entire season. I think the only chance we have of moving any of our backup QBs is after the draft and in the event of injury during training camp.

It would be cool though to have that extra 2nd going into the draft.

The Pats ALSO freed up over $18 million in cap space. That has to be taken into consideration when talking about the trade of Cassel and Vrabel.

 

[rookBoston]

I'm pretty confident that BB wants trade one of his backup QBs, but I agree with the idea that the idea is to mobilize Hoyer, not Mallett. Hoyer is a ready-now QB that can compete for a starting job on almost any team that doesn't have a HOF quarterback on the roster. Mallett still is a work in progress.

I think Hoyer is the loose change in a trade up from #27 either for Brockers, Barron or Ingram, from a QB-dubious team like Cleveland, KC, Miami or even Seattle.

Either that, or we say adios in exchange for a draft pick...no more than a 3rd rounder.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Allow me to explain my position in greater detail...

Ryan Mallett is a CREVICE.

A SPHINCTER.

He is the working part of an A HOLE.

But, hey...He's got a great arm.

SELL.

Grid, I'm impressed by your hatred of Mallett. While I certainly didnt want to draft him I wouldnt give him away for peanuts, please tell me, why do you hate him so much?

 

[PatsFanStnfrd]

Never sell "wine" (or Mallett) before its time.

I know OTG and others here seem to have strong (to put it mildly) opinions about Mallett. The fact is he has lived/learnt within the Pats system for a year. And beyond 2012, the Pats need him to back up Brady. Hoyer wants his shot to compete for a starting position as a FA -- hence unlikely to sign up for permanent backup duty.

In any event, unless BB is bowled over, he is unlikely to part with Mallett now. Perhaps after pre-season, if a QB-needy team shows up impressed with Mallett's performance....... and meets BB's price...

 

[patfanken]

After Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Ryan Tannehill come off the board, where is the panic by the Cleveland Browns to select a quarterback in the 2012 NFL Draft? If the Cleveland Browns were that desperate to select a quarterback, why not select Ryan Tannehill with the #4 overall pick and draft a running back with the #37 overall pick?

Because Tannyhill is ANYTHING but a sure thing. For everyone that "raves" about him, there are those that think he is becoming highly over rated. I think there are many who would agree that Mallet was a better prospect talent wise coming out of college, and now that he has answered most of the off field questions, he is even a better value than Tannyhill right now.

If you are Cleveland for a 2nd round pick you can have the 3rd best QB option this year. Have him under contract for cheap for the next 3 years. And use you #4 pick to grab a sure thing OT or RB, or even trade down and replace the pick and grab one of the premium WRs. Tannyhill is a better "athlete" than Mallet, but not the better QB.

If I were a team that was interested in one of the 3 QB's after RGIII and Luck, I'd be racing for the phone to find out what the Pats will take for Mallet.

 

[patfanken]

No, it actually wouldn't mean that, my friend.

Whatever The Market determines the Market Value of Weeden and that other kid to be has only a vague, tertiary influence on what Mallett's Market Value is.

All Market Values are, ultimately, Stand Alone.

A couple of questions on Mallet based on a couple of your posts

1. What has Mallet done in the last 12 months that allows you to be so down on him? Please explain.

2. In the quote above you still have answered the questions I asked originally, Is Mallet a better QB prospect right now than Weeden, or Oswieler? Do you think Weeden or Oswieler will be picked in the 2nd round. And finally, If were a team that had made the decision to pick a QB up in the 2nd round, who would you want Weeden, Osweiler, or Mallet? I look forward to your succinct responses to these questions

 

[patfanken]

I don't think so.

The very most their Market Values can do is suggest a Market Value for Mallett.

They can't determine it.

Comparing Mallett to this year's prospects is Apples and Oranges.

You simply cannot draw a straight line to connect the dots on this one, much as I'd like to.

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In an extreme case, the 5th highest QB can command a 2nd Round Market Value...

And yet the 6th highest QB ~ the very next one ~ might command but a 5th Round Market Value.

We see these drop offs all the time.

You follow, Brother Pat?

Mallett's Market Value must ultimately stand on its own.

And I, personally, consider his donning of our Uniform to be an atrocity.

I think your personal bias, which you haven't explained yet (at least to me) is swaying your logic. Let me rephrase the question

If you were a team who had decided they are going to spend 2nd round pick on a QB, which QB would you choose. Weeden, Oswieler or Mallet...or some other QB

 

[ctpatsfan77]

If you are Cleveland for a 2nd round pick you can have the 3rd best QB option this year. Have him under contract for cheap for the next 3 years. And use you #4 pick to grab a sure thing OT or RB, or even trade down and replace the pick and grab one of the premium WRs. Tannyhill is a better "athlete" than Mallet, but not the better QB.

If I were a team that was interested in one of the 3 QB's after RGIII and Luck, I'd be racing for the phone to find out what the Pats will take for Mallet.

Under the assumption, of course, that BB saw Mallett primarily as a trade chip for future trades, I suppose this is at least possible.

That said, I suspect the only QB available at Wild Bill's Hot Young Quarterback Emporium during the draft will be Brian Hoyer.

 

[ATippett56]

Much of what you write I agree with, but this . . .

That reminds me of a former Patriots player:

"If it's not a knife in the kitchen, it's a fork in the road."

 

[ATippett56]

Because Tannyhill is ANYTHING but a sure thing. For everyone that "raves" about him, there are those that think he is becoming highly over rated. I think there are many who would agree that Mallet was a better prospect talent wise coming out of college, and now that he has answered most of the off field questions, he is even a better value than Tannyhill right now.

Mallett is anything but a sure thing, as well.

If you are Cleveland for a 2nd round pick you can have the 3rd best QB option this year. Have him under contract for cheap for the next 3 years. And use you #4 pick to grab a sure thing OT or RB, or even trade down and replace the pick and grab one of the premium WRs. Tannyhill is a better "athlete" than Mallet, but not the better QB.

The Cleveland Browns organization will decide which is the best course of action, that is if Mallett is even made available to the market.

If I were a team that was interested in one of the 3 QB's after RGIII and Luck, I'd be racing for the phone to find out what the Pats will take for Mallet.

Mike Holmgren may differ with your opinion, since the Cleveland Browns operate the West Coast offense and not the Erhardt-Perkins offense.

 

[UK_Pat37]

Because Tannyhill is ANYTHING but a sure thing. For everyone that "raves" about him, there are those that think he is becoming highly over rated. I think there are many who would agree that Mallet was a better prospect talent wise coming out of college, and now that he has answered most of the off field questions, he is even a better value than Tannyhill right now.

If you are Cleveland for a 2nd round pick you can have the 3rd best QB option this year. Have him under contract for cheap for the next 3 years. And use you #4 pick to grab a sure thing OT or RB, or even trade down and replace the pick and grab one of the premium WRs. Tannyhill is a better "athlete" than Mallet, but not the better QB.

If I were a team that was interested in one of the 3 QB's after RGIII and Luck, I'd be racing for the phone to find out what the Pats will take for Mallet.

Get rid of this STUPID football logic and accept it's pretty unlikely to happen. The Patriots are only a year removed from spending a third round pick on this guy. I'm sorry but it just doesn't make any business sense at all. You're not going to get more than what you spent on this guy as he's unproven. So you're going to make a loss and, what's worse, waste a pretty damn decent pick which you then could have spent elsewhere.

If the Pats were that willing to get rid of Mallett it would be because his character issues are showing through on the training field or he's not what he was made up to be...and then they would shop him for anything they could get. You just don't get rid of 3rd round choices after just one year of preseason play...and even that was minimal experience.

Hoyer could be traded...I also heard that Hoyer is openly looking for a trade with a team he can compete for a starting job at and, if he finds match, I haven't seen anything to suggest the Pats won't let him walk for a reasonable draft selection. I could see him being packaged in a trade up.

IMO Hoyer has a tonne more value than Mallett because he's at least shown a little more and thrown a few NFL passes...nice ones too.

 

[jsull87]

This is a pretty ancient subject, actually. Many have bandied this about.

I'm working on V14.0 of my Mock, and every version starts with dumping Mallett.

I doubt we'd get a 2nd Rounder, but it's conceivable.

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Our best chance, in my opinion, is the Fish.

If TanneHill goes early and to someone else, it's pretty wide open.

And if that fool owner of theirs thinks Mallett's better'n the others out there ~ and the crops are pretty freaking thin!! ~ he just might be stupid enough to cough up a 2nd Rounder.

Indeed, it was rumored that they liked Mallett, last year, and even tried to Trade Up to get'm!!

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I'd be very surprised if Holmgrem gave up a 2nd Rounder for'm.

Seems more feasible that he'd swap a 3rd Rounder for Hoyer, but that's just my take.

I'm sorry but i disagree with this sentiment. I think a 2nd rounder would be our price and also probably maximum market price for mallett. Obviously unless BB knows somehting we dont e.g he saw him for a year and he doesn't have the goods.

But we valued him as a high 3rd last year and i have seen nothing to suggest either that he isn't a talented QB (pre season last year) or a off field concern as we hardly heard a peep out of him.

Personally i would only trade him for a middle to top 2nd rounder as i think he was a bit of a steal last year talent wise, but once again this is just my opinion.

 

[jsull87]

I think your personal bias, which you haven't explained yet (at least to me) is swaying your logic. Let me rephrase the question

If you were a team who had decided they are going to spend 2nd round pick on a QB, which QB would you choose. Weeden, Oswieler or Mallet...or some other QB

That is the correct question. And you have to remember the trade off, the college QB's have played games all year but Mallett has spent a year being a pro under BB and TB.

Personally the answer to that question for me would be Mallett, thats why i don't think this scenario is out of the question... then again.

Throw Hoyer in there i would rather hoyer than Weeden and you would have to work out Osweiler to see if you believe his physical tools have more upside than hoyers experience.

But once again maybe i am swayed as a pats fan thinking our QB's are better

 

[SeymourTrophies]

Mallett's knock was his character, and, by all accounts, he has been a good noodle and is impressing the right folks. Let's see how a full offseason goes before we make any assumptions on where Hoyer and Mallett sit on the depth chart. If BB is already looking to unload Hoyer, I think that says a lot about how they feel about Mallett.