Eli over Brady?

[meyerbudNYG]

IT'S A TEAM GAME. Rivers is singularly better than Eli, but Eli has had better coaching, team. Thus more TEAM success.

of course it is....

could u please repost the first post u had in this thread when u listed the superbowl situations for both QBs then proceeded to say that it was insane to even try to compare the two?

 

[RodThePat]

well you haven't seen enough giants football and if he wins you'll be in the minority

I'm sorry, but watching Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Brett Favre (up until 2004 or so) and even a guy like Kurt Warner play, I had the feeling I was witnessing something special. That has never crossed my mind with Eli Manning.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

You posed a question that required a breakdown. I gave the breakdown. That's vastly different from claiming that it's the defense getting one team there, but ignoring that it was the defense preventing another team from moving on.



I'm not sure what the hell you're trying to say here, since I never mentioned Eli in 2006.




Nonsense

i was referencing the 2006 playoff in response to your knocks on Eli's other playoff performances except for 07 and this year. And also to use the same logic u applied to why Rivers isn't over hyped. It was a double whammy

u decided to break something down that was ridiculous. When people think of 2000 Ravens, nobody thinks of what TRENT DILFER did to get them to the big game, it was what the defense did. Nobody is going to loo kat this Giants season and not completely put the success on Eli. Our defense COMPLETELY let us down this year. Eli took us on his back bottom line

 

[Deus Irae]

i was referencing the 2006 playoff in response to your knocks on Eli's other playoff performances except for 07 and this year. And also to use the same logic u applied to why Rivers isn't over hyped. It was a double whammy

u decided to break something down that was ridiculous. When people think of 2000 Ravens, nobody thinks of what TRENT DILFER did to get them to the big game, it was what the defense did. Nobody is going to loo kat this Giants season and not completely put the success on Eli. Our defense COMPLETELY let us down this year. Eli took us on his back bottom line

So, in other words, you're now just making crap up.


Got it.

 

[Bella*chick]

I'm sorry, but watching Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Brett Favre (up until 2004 or so) and even a guy like Kurt Warner play, I had the feeling I was witnessing something special. That has never crossed my mind with Eli Manning.

Lol, it's true isn't it ( though I'll gracefully remove Favre from the equation). With Eli I always feel like I'm witnessing something annoying.

 

[Fixit]

i was referencing the 2006 playoff in response to your knocks on Eli's other playoff performances except for 07 and this year. And also to use the same logic u applied to why Rivers isn't over hyped. It was a double whammy

u decided to break something down that was ridiculous. When people think of 2000 Ravens, nobody thinks of what TRENT DILFER did to get them to the big game, it was what the defense did. Nobody is going to loo kat this Giants season and not completely put the success on Eli. Our defense COMPLETELY let us down this year. Eli took us on his back bottom line

Hey, if Eli never wins another SB, is he a Hall of Famer?

 

[meyerbudNYG]

I don't think Eli is in the Brady/Brees/Peyton category. One very good season does not a legend make. Even this year, if Eli was so great that he just assured himself as a Hall of Famer and elevated his name into the company of some of the greatest QBs to ever play, why did the Giants only win 9 games and struggled mightly to get in the playoffs?

IF eli wins his second ring, the wins are there, the stats are there, and most people around league wouldn't want anybody else in those final moments rather than Eli.

 

[RodThePat]

IF eli wins his second ring, the wins are there, the stats are there, and most people around league wouldn't want anybody else in those final moments rather than Eli.

I just asked you why did the Giants struggle that much if Eli played at the level of all time great quarterbacks?

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Thanks for the laugh.

anytime

laughter may hide the pain, but its only a temporary solution

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Eli's not elite.
Eli's not top 5.

Eli's season was not as good as Schaub's season.
Eli's season was not as good as Stafford's season.


Simple truths. Carry on.

next your going to tell me that Superbowl 42 really didn't happen

 

[Deus Irae]

next your going to tell me that Superbowl 42 really didn't happen

No, but I am going to tell you that it doesn't make Eli elite.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

I'll ask you this...Why were the Giants 9-7 this year? You'll say bc of injuries in a team game. I'll respond with "If it's a team game, why do you claim Eli better than Rivers in a team sport even though River's numbers are 10x better?"

Your argument is so circular and ignorant that it's hilarious.

Eli wins... Rivers doesn't...

i didn't realize new england fans defined stat whores. Rivers has big numbers in a throwing offense, in nice weather, in an easy division.

Next your going to tell me Kerry Collins is one of the greats QBs of all time becuase of his stats.

if its a team game like u say it is (which I agree with), then why was your opening statement in this debate u comparing the superbowl thing between Eli and Brady and then u closed with - why is this even a discussion?

Time for u to answer your CIRCULAR answer. I look at everything, NOT just stats.

 

[RodThePat]

Eli wins... Rivers doesn't...

i didn't realize new england fans defined stat whores. Rivers has big numbers in a throwing offense, in nice weather, in an easy division.

Next your going to tell me Kerry Collins is one of the greats QBs of all time becuase of his stats.

if its a team game like u say it is (which I agree with), then why was your opening statement in this debate u comparing the superbowl thing between Eli and Brady and then u closed with - why is this even a discussion?

Time for u to answer your CIRCULAR answer. I look at everything, NOT just stats.

You still haven't answered why the Giants lost 7 games and were on the brink of elimination if Eli played as well as you claim he did.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Pats as a TEAM won superbowls, no doubt.

Brady put on a CLUTCH performance that led to game-winning FGs. Now Brady himself didn't kick the FG, so I would assume that you would assume it was a TEAMMATE who kicked the FG and helped them to victory.

But then again your love for the overrated Eli has clouded your judgment.

okay so ur argument is that Brady is clutch because he got in FG range

but Eli who is known for winning in the clutch and what he did in SB42 is all luck... but MY judgement is clouded?

Half of the arguments in here about why Eli isn't anywhere near Brady is becasue of superbowl wins.

 

[Keyser Söze]

Eli wins... Rivers doesn't...

i didn't realize new england fans defined stat whores. Rivers has big numbers in a throwing offense, in nice weather, in an easy division.

Next your going to tell me Kerry Collins is one of the greats QBs of all time becuase of his stats.

if its a team game like u say it is (which I agree with), then why was your opening statement in this debate u comparing the superbowl thing between Eli and Brady and then u closed with - why is this even a discussion?

Time for u to answer your CIRCULAR answer. I look at everything, NOT just stats.

Oh, you're one of those "my eyes tell me more" type.

 

[Deus Irae]

Eli wins... Rivers doesn't...

Trent Dilfer was 5-1 in the playoffs


So, under the "Eli wins" argument.... and AGAIN


Dilfer > Eli

 

[Fixit]

okay so ur argument is that Brady is clutch because he got in FG range

but Eli who is known for winning in the clutch and what he did in SB42 is all luck... but MY judgement is clouded?

Half of the arguments in here about why Eli isn't anywhere near Brady is becasue of superbowl wins.

Hey, if Eli never wins another SB, is he a Hall of Famer?

 

[RodThePat]

okay so ur argument is that Brady is clutch because he got in FG range

but Eli who is known for winning in the clutch and what he did in SB42 is all luck... but MY judgement is clouded?

Half of the arguments in here about why Eli isn't anywhere near Brady is becasue of superbowl wins.

Eli isn't anywhere near Brady because he doesn't read defenses as well as Brady, he isn't as accurate as Brady, he doesn't have Brady's pocket presence and he's a worse decision maker than Brady. Superbowls have nothing to do with it, Eli simply isn't as good of a player. Period. I don't see how anyone with a quarter of a brain could argue otherwise (I'm not saying you have). The mere fact that we are discussing who's better is a joke.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Re: Qb

Not at all. I'm 100% behind the notion that it was the Ravens defense that carried that team to the Super Bowl. That's precisely the point trying to be made to you. The problem is that you prefer to act willfully ignorant.



Nonsense. Many have commented on the significant improvement in the Giants defense now that Osi is back and Tuck is playing better. If you want to congratulate Eli for "carrying" his team to about a 7-7 record before the defense started stepping up, you go for it.



I'm posting truth. You're claiming it's about team (defense) when it's the Ravens and about QBs the rest of the time. Then again, you also had the excuses for Eli earlier on, so the whole "excuses" line of yours is just a crock anyway.

if u really believe that about the defense then why would u mention trent dilfer?? Because I didn't mention him at all.

Its not nonsense, Osi has been back since week 16. The defense wasn't even average, it was putrid. If you think Eli didn'ttake us on his back then your just misinformed.

And not for nothing, while the defense has gotten back (besides this past SF game) the offense has carried its weight as well like it has all year.

If we dropped one of those first 7 wins we had, we don't get in. Thats the truth of it, whether you want to accept the truth or not is your own issue. And since Osi and Tuck got healthy for week 16 and 17, our offense averaged 30 a game for those two games. We put up 24 (with a missed FG) vs the Falcons and then 37 on GB.

 

[ExpatPack]

Oooooooo, we got a whole bunch of this over on the Packers board.

Eli over Rodgers, Eli is more clutch than Rodgers. etc. etc. Never mind what Rodgers did last year. That wasn't clutch enough.

Yo....Eli has a long way to go to be considered in Brady's league given the sheer weight of Brady's accomplishments. Brady, Brees and Rodgers absolutely led their teams to top seeds. Eli came on strong near the end of the season, I'll give him that.

But comparing Eli to Brady now is kind of silly.