Curran: Brady seems to know engine's running too hot

[BradyMoss812]

Heated arguments happen on the sideline more than we realize. People made a big deal about a heated discussion between Belichick and McDaniels a few years back. I know that Belichick and Weis have had heated discussions.

Very true, and BB had heated discussions with Parcells when he was DC at the Giants.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Curran is spot on. Brady has developed a very bad habit in recent years of showing up his teammates on the field. Every player on that offense was thrilled Bill O'Brien put Brady in his place. Deal with it pinkhats.

 

[vyrago]

Curran has a valid point, Marino's tantrums usually resulted in more dropped balls and negative team chemistry. He never criticized himself nor took criticism to well.

I'm sure this will get nipped in the butt, Brady is his own worst critic, if somethings affecting winning chances, which this almost was, it'll get addressed. I hope

Butt? Funny, but wrong. The cliche is "nipped in the bud." It means to stop something from growing.

 

[BradyManny]

Curran is spot on. Brady has developed a very bad habit in recent years of showing up his teammates on the field. Every player on that offense was thrilled Bill O'Brien put Brady in his place. Deal with it pinkhats.

I hate to break it to you, but no one seems more a pink-hat than you. Based on your constant Brady-Marino comparisons, it seems to me you watched neither Brady before the so-called change in his demeanor, nor Marino (if you really think Brady has ever shown a guy up like Marino would, then you really, really never saw Marino and are speaking purely on his reputation). You seem like the definition of a pink hat who started rooting for this team in the 16-0 season, and has been spoiled ever since.

Of course, half the messageboard/fanbase seems to fit that description nowadays.

And if Brady's receivers don't like him, they sure have a funny way of saying it given they say rather universally positive things about him, his leadership and demeanor.

 

[757PatsFan]

Lately Brady reminds me of a soccer goalie..when they get scored on they are always saying that some one should have done something better and always putting there hands up in the air. But anyway, Brady is the man and it was good that there was an argument. There needs to be some fire on this team especially with the playoffs near.

 

[Patspsycho]

I wonder if, in the back of his head, he's thinking of Marino's record. That would explain why he keeps trying to throw the ball and why he calls out of quite a few run plays at the goal line and elsewhere on the field.

I really think he needs to be spelled by a solid running game. Not only does this protect him (by keeping the defense true) but it also will lengthen his career by saving his arm from more wear and tear.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Curran is spot on. Brady has developed a very bad habit in recent years of showing up his teammates onthe field. Every player on that offense was thrilled Bill O'Brien put Brady in his place. Deal with it pinkhats.

This is like the pink hats vs. the tin foil hats...or the empty hats in some cases.

 

[Deus Irae]

Curran is spot on. Brady has developed a very bad habit in recent years of showing up his teammates on the field. Every player on that offense was thrilled Bill O'Brien put Brady in his place. Deal with it pinkhats.

Who's your source for this claim?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Belichick got into it with O'Brienlast year, no one made a peep about that. Of course, it's Brady, and for whatever reason,there's a plethora of closet Brady haters in this area, who come out ofthe woodwork whenever any sign of adversity arrives for this team. I'm sure if Brady throws 4 TDs next week,they'll be back withtheir pom-poms. As for O'Brien, I can vividly remember during TC in his first year as OC thatthe vets weren't really taking his tough guy act seriously. I was at a walkthru where O'Brien was chewing people out left and right and I thinkthe players were more amused than scared. Granted, one ofthem was Moss. I think this heated exchange will actually help his credibility withthe team for going up against its superstar. I also think that O'Brien might feel likethe third wheel to Brady/Belichick at times, to be honest. Based on watchingthe behindthe scenes NFLN stuff, and howthe Price-Underwood stuff shook out.

Bill gives guys a shot, whether you feel like a third wheel or not is on you. Players also tend to tune coaches out at some point when they sense you are not entirely competent. Bill knows that, and it's why he has always counted on his veteran leaders to really police their teamates behavior on and off the field. None moreso than his QB... I don't think BOB did himself or the team any favors yesterday as a result. The guy who holds your fate in his hands week to week in this offense isn't BOB.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Who's your source for this claim?

His vivid and wishful imagination.

 

[RodThePat]

I wonder if, in the back of his head, he's thinking of Marino's record. That would explain why he keeps trying to throw the ball and why he calls out of quite a few run plays at the goal line and elsewhere on the field.

I really think he needs to be spelled by a solid running game. Not only does this protect him (by keeping the defense true) but it also will lengthen his career by saving his arm from more wear and tear.

What? How does the yardage record matter when they were at the six yard line? Yeah, those 6 yards would have gone a long way for Brady. He checks out of runs if he thinks the defense is giving him a certain look that favors the pass.

Really, this kind of speculation is the worst. You can say Brady's fiery attitude bothers you, you can say he shouldn't be chewing guys out on the field, that's fine. But thinking Brady puts personal achievements before trying to win football games goes against every single thing we know or have heard about the guy. Let's try to keep the discussion grounded on facts, people.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Bill gives guys a shot, whether you feel like a third wheel or not is on you. Players also tend to tune coaches out at some point when they sense you are not entirely competent. Bill knows that, and it's why he has always counted on his veteran leaders to really police their teamates behavior on and off the field. None moreso than his QB... I don't think BOB did himself or the team any favors yesterday as a result. The guy who holds your fate in his hands week to week in this offense isn't BOB.

Yea that exchange was downright strange. It almost seemed forced to an extent.

Personally, I'm not a fan of coaches yelling at players anyway (I hated it when I played sports but thats me) but I just don't see any good coming from BOB & TB screaming at each other or BOB getting hot with TB on the sidelines. I'm not implying that it was unprofessional, just unproductive and unnecessary. With the level of the respect that TB deserves and commands from the players on this team, only two men are in a position to scream at him on the sidelines- Bob Kraft (which would never happen) and BB (who would never do it anyway). I have no problem with BOB ripping into Brady behind closed doors as I do not thing TB is beyond reproach but for an assistant coach to rip into THE team's leader in a public forum is not something that contributes to making this team better then or moving forward.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

I hate to break it to you, but no one seems more a pink-hat than you. Based on your constant Brady-Marino comparisons, it seems to me you watched neither Brady before the so-called change in his demeanor, nor Marino (if you really think Brady has ever shown a guy up like Marino would, then you really, really never saw Marino and are speaking purely on his reputation). You seem like the definition of a pink hat who started rooting for this team in the 16-0 season, and has been spoiled ever since.

Of course, half the messageboard/fanbase seems to fit that description nowadays.

And if Brady's receivers don't like him, they sure have a funny way of saying it given they say rather universally positive things about him, his leadership and demeanor.

I remember watching Dan Marino play in COLLEGE. Get a clue pinky!
And when did I say the Patriots receivers don't like Brady?? What I said is Brady's receivers are sick and tired of having their QB up their a*&es every game when he's the one making as many if not more critical mistakes than anyone else. Bill O'Brien went after Brady because O'Brien, like the rest of the guys on that offense is tired of Brady's constant yapping and fingerpointing.
Any fan who thinks Bill O'Brien hurt himself within that locker room or the organization because he put Brady in his place is completely clueless.
If anything Bill O'Brien strengthened his hand.

 

[RodThePat]

I remember watching Dan Marino play in COLLEGE. Get a clue pinky!
And when did I say the Patriots receivers don't like Brady?? What I said is Brady's receivers are sick and tired of having their QB up their a*&es every game when he's the one making as many if not more critical mistakes than anyone else. Bill O'Brien went after Brady because O'Brien, like the rest of the guys on that offense is tired of Brady's constant yapping and fingerpointing.
Any fan who thinks Bill O'Brien hurt himself within that locker room or the organization because he put Brady in his place is completely clueless.
If anything Bill O'Brien strengthened his hand.

I love how you talk as if every bit of speculating you do is actually true. Are you a player? Are you friends with a player? Because if not, then you are projecting your fantasies as factual occurrences, and should probably seek professional help, my friend.

 

[BradyManny]

Bill O'Brien went after Brady because O'Brien, like the rest of the guys on that offense is tired of Brady's constant yapping and fingerpointing.
Any fan who thinks Bill O'Brien hurt himself within that locker room or the organization because he put Brady in his place is completely clueless.
If anything Bill O'Brien strengthened his hand.

Constant yapping and finger-pointing?

Give me a break, man. The guy is the QB of the team. If players make mistakes, he has to tell them. Outside of his outburst when Aiken & Galloway dropped about 3 passes in a row, please cite me one example where he showed any disrespect towards his teammates.

Welker came back pretty hot after Brady and he had a miscommunication. Why aren't you on Welker for showing up Brady? Belichick flipped out at O'Brien in a game in his first year as playcaller, where's the Belichick hate? Or how about McDaniels tirade against BB going into the locker at halftime.

If the players & coaches thought O'Brien wasn't going over the edge a little bit, then why did Hoyer step in, even before things got nasty? Why did Belichick & O'Shea try to diffuse O'Brien??

If you can look at a video of several players & coaches trying to stop O'Brien from going bezerk and draw a conclusion that Brady's teammates wanted that outburst to happen, then you may have to reconsider your own frame of mind.

And I got news for you, this isn't the first time O'Brien has gone off, and it won't be the last. He is a fiery guy in practice, I've seen it at camp and that's why Hoyer got up and blocked O'Brien.

Your overall point - that O'Brien earned himself some credibility simply for going after the highest guy on the team - might have some truth. But the rest of your point - like all of your points - is muddied by a strong, transparent bias against this team's quarterback.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Belichick got into it with O'Brien last year, no one made a peep about that.

Of course, it's Brady, and for whatever reason, there's a plethora of closet Brady haters in this area, who come out of the woodwork whenever any sign of adversity arrives for this team. I'm sure if Brady throws 4 TDs next week, they'll be back with their pom-poms.

I don't really think this is the right comparison, though. A coach/player dispute is different from a coach/coach spat. Pretty much every time a player and a coach get caught on camera yelling at one another, it gets reported in some fashion. When it's a superstar, it gets even more coverage, so I'm not surprised this one is getting some play. I thought Brady did a good job at wratcheting it down yesterday.

The locker room is a chain of command kind of place. I think most of us have played sports at one point beyond very early grammar school and have some preconceptions about what's ok and what isn't -- who hasn't wanted to scream at a coach? So when you see it on tv, I think it's only naturally a story.

 

[Metaphors]

Brady took an unacceptable chance on a "you can't throw an interception here" play. He gets so singularly focused on getting touchdowns that he forgets that the context of the play can determine success. For this situation, burning 40 more seconds and kicking a FG likely gets the job done. More importantly, it takes a lot of pressure off a defense that really could use breathing room.

Brady is the leader of the team, not just the offense. BOB snapped him back to that reality. I'm sure everyone involved isn't happy about how everything went down, but if this refocuses Brady on the fact that being prudent and awesome are not mutually exclusive, then it will be well worth it.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Brady took an unacceptable chance on a "you can't throw an interception here" play.

I can actually remember a few of these by Brady. There was one in the regular season a few years back that was the same situation -- up by 7 late. I can also remember at least one that was dropped or maybe where we got saved by a penalty?

And, of course, the biggie was in Super Bowl 38 -- under 8 minutes left, third and goal from the 9 and he made a not great pass that got picked. That was slightly different in that they only had a 5 point lead, so a FG only makes it an 8 point lead and so maybe you can make a case for not throwing it away. Still, an 8 point lead felt like it would have been a big deal right then.

Maybe you just have to say at some point that kind of attitude is what makes Brady Brady. Sometimes, instead of trying to change a guy, you have to take the bitter with the sweet.

 

[Metaphors]

I can actually remember a few of these by Brady.

I was going to say something like that but I couldn't recall the exact situations.

Maybe you just have to say at some point that kind of attitude is what makes Brady Brady. Sometimes, instead of trying to change a guy, you have to take the bitter with the sweet.

I like the attacking attitude but this isn't Favre we are talking about. Brady is smart enough to know when the game switches from "need to win" to "need to not lose". That should have happened before that throw to Underwood. The fact that it didn't is likely what set BOB off. Brady lost focus for one play. It didn't cost them yesterday but learning this very public lesson now may prevent the same thing from happening in the playoffs.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

Yea that exchange was downright strange. It almost seemed forced to an extent.
Personally, I'm not a fan of coaches yelling at players anyway (I hated it when I played sports but thats me) but I just don't see any good coming from BOB & TB screaming at each other or BOB getting hot with TB on the sidelines. I'm not implying that it was unprofessional, just unproductive and unnecessary. With the level of the respect that TB deserves and commands from the players on this team, only two men are in a position to scream at him on the sidelines- Bob Kraft (which would never happen) and BB (who would never do it anyway). I have no problem with BOB ripping into Brady behind closed doors as I do not thing TB is beyond reproach but for an assistant coach to rip into THE team's leader in a public forum is not something that contributes to making this team better then or moving forward.

I saw Brady's post-game presser on WCVB news this AM (not the whole thing but just his comments on what happened) and I agree with the poster in another thread who commented how Brady looked like the cat that swallowed the canary. LOL that's exactly how he looked