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In the past 2 seasons, the Broncos are 9-17. With Tebow as the team's starter, the Broncos are 5-3. Without Tebow as the team's starter, they are 4-14.

You can belittle him all you want. The facts are there. The kid's winning

That's because he's a competitor, not a good quarterback. His accuracy is horrible and has been since he was at Florida. I love Tebow for what he did for the Gators, but come on. He's a game manager that can put his shoulder down and gain a few extra yards but will have a really hard time converting on third and ten. How many open receivers did he miss last night? Some of them were WIDE open. Give the Jets a Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, or Rodgers, and Tebow isn't able to put the team on his back for that final drive because the three and out's that were on him and his inaccuracy would have put the Broncos in too deep of a hole.
 
What we're witnessing is a team with an improving young defense hitting an incredible streak of luck against a succession of bad/struggling teams. Tebow is terrible -- he's not just bad, he's historically bad. I can't remember a worse passer ever playing the quarterback position in the NFL. He repeatedly bounces balls to wide open receivers right in front of his face. He rifles fastballs to wideouts standing four yards away from him. He's constantly throwing directly over d-linemen instead of sidestepping into an open passing lane. The guy literally could not be a worse passer.

Now, is he winning games? Sure. But you could take any one of a hundred NFL running backs or college-option QBs, stick them under center, tell them to run the same offense, and get the same results. You don't think Josh Cribbs would have managed ten points against the Jets last night? How about Brad Smith? Or Josh Johnson? Heck, I bet Julian Edelman could have managed a field goal and a touchdown in that game. In the big play in the game last night, Tebow outran Eric Smith to the corner and then ate up twenty yards of open field to the end zone. You don't think Josh Johnson could have made that play? You don't think mobile ex-college QBs like Antwaan Randle-El or Hines Ward could have made that pass to Rosario?

The referendum shouldn't be on Tim Tebow, it should be on that style of offense. Denver is relying on a tough defense and an option offense because it doesn't have a good passing game. They're winning because they're playing crappy teams with (up until last night) bad run defenses. They're basically committing to a run-only offense, and there are a hundred guys who could play Qb at at least the same level of effectiveness in that system.

These gimmick offenses work for a little while, and are particularly effective against weak competition, since it's a low-turnover scheme that shortens the game by eating up the clock. If you hang in there against any bad team, and just possess the ball and wait for the opponent to beat himself, he will, about half the time. We saw this with Miami a few years back.

The problem is that you can't play from two scores behind with that kind of offense, so those gimmick teams end up losing to good teams that have pro passing attacks. It just doesn't work, in the long haul.

But in the short run, you can steal a game or two here and there, which is what Denver is doing. But it doesn't have much to do with Tebow. If Fox stuck Josh Johnson back there, or Joe Webb, or any other athletic option QB type, he'd be getting the same result. He might even get a better result. Webb and Johnson at least have NFL arms and can complete a ball or two downfield. They'd also probably gain more yards on those keepers, since Tebow is slower than guys like those two or Brad Smith by a lot.

This is a fun story, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking Tebow is an NFL quarterback. He's just a stand-in for a gimmick ploy that will run its course pretty quickly, just like the Wildcat did.
 
Brady, for years, has made a fuss on how he spends great amounts of time offseason with a QB coach (recently deceased, RIP) almost exclusively to work on his mechanics and techniques.

If the best in the business accepts that his technique needs constant improvement and that he's got to learn, wouldn't you think a guy like Tebow would be working like crazy to have somebody teach him how to throw?

In fact, I'm surprised Brady's coach didn't get 30 other calls for help from guys not named Peyton.

great example, we watched Brady go from good to other worldly in the span of a decade.

Tebow has a great attitude, selfless team player with a lot of hart. He doesn't lack confidence or indecisiveness either unlike sanchez. Tebowle movements has potential but right now he just has po.
 
Tim Tebow is the new Chuck Norris
 
That's irrelevant to my point. I'm talking about where he's at now. Right now, he's a QB who's taking a team that plays .222 ball and has them playing .625 ball, because he's finding a way to get his team wins. The people bagging on the kid are just being idiots.
This statement would have some validity IF football was a game that a single person can win or loose. I don't understand how anyone who watched that game would want Tebow to be the QB of their team.

Yes, he's a "winner" YEs he's a "football player", but he is also clearly the worst throwing NFL passer in the history of the league. It will take the league very little time before they catch up with the very FEW wrinkles that the Broncos can use in their modified Wildcat option offense and the 55 minutes of pure ineptness will expand to the full 60.

This game was more about the Jets consistently giving away opportunities than the Broncos doing anything more than persevering until the Jets finally decided to finish cutting their own throat.

Denver started FIVE drives inside Jet territory and managed only 3 points. That's all you have to know about Tim Tebow.

DI you seem to be a big fan. Would you want him to be the QB of YOUR team???
 
That's because he's a competitor, not a good quarterback. His accuracy is horrible and has been since he was at Florida. I love Tebow for what he did for the Gators, but come on. He's a game manager that can put his shoulder down and gain a few extra yards but will have a really hard time converting on third and ten. How many open receivers did he miss last night? Some of them were WIDE open. Give the Jets a Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, or Rodgers, and Tebow isn't able to put the team on his back for that final drive because the three and out's that were on him and his inaccuracy would have put the Broncos in too deep of a hole.

The NFL is littered with competitors. Kyle Orton is a competitor.

Look, I'm not saying that Tebow is the next Steve Young. I'm saying that, right now, he's on a run where he's a good enough QB to win games with a team that couldn't win with a so-called "better" QB. Patriots fans should know better than to belittle this. It's how the Brady era began.
 
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This statement would have some validity IF football was a game that a single person can win or loose. I don't understand how anyone who watched that game would want Tebow to be the QB of their team.

Yes, he's a "winner" YEs he's a "football player", but he is also clearly the worst throwing NFL passer in the history of the league. It will take the league very little time before they catch up with the very FEW wrinkles that the Broncos can use in their modified Wildcat option offense and the 55 minutes of pure ineptness will expand to the full 60.

This game was more about the Jets consistently giving away opportunities than the Broncos doing anything more than persevering until the Jets finally decided to finish cutting their own throat.

Denver started FIVE drives inside Jet territory and managed only 3 points. That's all you have to know about Tim Tebow.

DI you seem to be a big fan. Would you want him to be the QB of YOUR team???

I've got Tom Brady as the QB of my favorite team. I wouldn't want any other QB in his place.


And the notion that one player cannot win, or lose, a game for a team is absurd.
 
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The question is, what is Tebow's realistic upside?
 
Bottom line is........ALL HE DOES IS WIN BABY!!
Just remember when Brady first came in for Drew. He was a game manager who just kept winning. Give this kid some time, and he will keep winning!
 
Not only did they only score 10 points on offense, there were a number of drives that started at the 50, or actually in Jets territory, that the Broncos got no points off. If the Broncos had a serviceable quarterback the game never would have been as close as it was. But for the grace of God;) the Jets offense stinks and Denver's defense is good.

Exactly.

I think the people defending him did not watch more than the last 5 minutes last night. He is terrible.

The Broncos defense, though, is excellent.
 
Brady, for years, has made a fuss on how he spends great amounts of time offseason with a QB coach (recently deceased, RIP) almost exclusively to work on his mechanics and techniques.

If the best in the business accepts that his technique needs constant improvement and that he's got to learn, wouldn't you think a guy like Tebow would be working like crazy to have somebody teach him how to throw?

In fact, I'm surprised Brady's coach didn't get 30 other calls for help from guys not named Peyton.

Tom Martinez (aka the QB Whisperer) is still alive and kicking. While I would hope that other QBs would also seek out his guidance I’m not surprised it doesn’t happen, to do that would be essentially admitting that you have flaws in your game, everyone does but how many actually have the courage to admit it? Eli thinks he’s in the same class as TFB, he’s not nearly there but Rodgers publically said that TFB is a better QB than he is, that’s kinda rare.

So, how many have that courage and also are willing to take the risk of changing something they might have been doing since they started playing football? There are things I can actually help a QB improve if they’d actually listen to me, but in order for it to really take root they’d also need to practice the hell out of it, how many people are willing to put in a LOT of time getting good at the annoying little things that really aren’t very enjoyable to practice?

I really hoped Tebow would link up with Martinez to get his throwing in order but I actually think that Tebow isn’t humble enough to do it. Perhaps Elway will mandate various training for him in the offseason to correct some of those issues.
 
I think Elway should play Orton for 55 minutes and then throw Tebow in the last drive or two. Orton is a good stats guy, keeps you in games and then loses, Tebow wins games in the last 5 minutes.

He'd be a good closer
 
The NFL has seen this type of QB before - Bobby Douglass Redux.

The WSJ blogged about the comparison a few days ago - NFL 2011: Denver Broncos Quarterback Tim Tebow Is Throwback to 1940s NFL - The Daily Fix - WSJ

I guess if you want to go 6-8, 4-9, and 3-11, Bobby Douglas is the way to go.

Otherwise, Joe Ferguson and Greg Landry? You might as well throw Steve Grogan in there.

Bottom line is, those three were running quarterbacks who had good careers. Douglas and Tebow aren't quarterbacks, so they have a limited shelf life.

Running only QB in the NFL means Not For Long.
 
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Tom Martinez (aka the QB Whisperer) is still alive and kicking. While I would hope that other QBs would also seek out his guidance I’m not surprised it doesn’t happen, to do that would be essentially admitting that you have flaws in your game, everyone does but how many actually have the courage to admit it? Eli thinks he’s in the same class as TFB, he’s not nearly there but Rodgers publically said that TFB is a better QB than he is, that’s kinda rare.

So, how many have that courage and also are willing to take the risk of changing something they might have been doing since they started playing football? There are things I can actually help a QB improve if they’d actually listen to me, but in order for it to really take root they’d also need to practice the hell out of it, how many people are willing to put in a LOT of time getting good at the annoying little things that really aren’t very enjoyable to practice?

I really hoped Tebow would link up with Martinez to get his throwing in order but I actually think that Tebow isn’t humble enough to do it. Perhaps Elway will mandate various training for him in the offseason to correct some of those issues.

Tebow supposedly was working really hard before the draft on correcting his throwing motion. I noticed last night that he was bringing the ball way down past his hip with his windup, then stares down his receiver before throwing so everyone in the world knows where it's going. In the heat of battle he loses all discipline as a passer.
 
Tebow supposedly was working really hard before the draft on correcting his throwing motion. I noticed last night that he was bringing the ball way down past his hip with his windup, then stares down his receiver before throwing so everyone in the world knows where it's going. In the heat of battle he loses all discipline as a passer.

Fine tuning mechanics is one thing, starting from scratch as an NFL player is a joke. Comparisons to Brady's 1st year as a "game manager" border on sacrilege, look up some of those Michigan games.

Poor teams (Jets have given up) haven't got the confidence to change what is usually risk aversion (pressure and coverage) by concentrating on the QB and risking the pass he's likely to blow even when not pressured anyway.

Once teams focus is totally on keeping him in the pocket, he will self destruct quickly.

The Jets going all out blitz, allowing him to have one man to beat and twenty yards of daylight was insane. Why do you blitz a guy who can't hit passes when not pressured anyway? Play pass defense and keep him in the pocket with a regular complement of rushers and he's bound to do something bad, or you get a coverage sack eventually.

He's big. He's not NFL lineman big.
 
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Tebow supposedly was working really hard before the draft on correcting his throwing motion. I noticed last night that he was bringing the ball way down past his hip with his windup, then stares down his receiver before throwing so everyone in the world knows where it's going. In the heat of battle he loses all discipline as a passer.

I wasn't impressed with the training footage I saw, even with those "experts" there were still some bad fundamentals in plain view, IMO.

As far as staring down his guys, that's something one can work on but one needs proper training: dealing with the 'heat of battle' necessitates one to work on fear innoculation, which is absolutely possible, but the correct training has to be there. I dont think he's getting that training.
 
The Broncos played an offense that was just as bad as theirs is last night. Up until the final drive, the offense had put up a grand total of 3 points against a pretty-good-but-not-great defense. Let's not go crowning Tebow for that performance.
 
Keep telling yourself that.

Some Brady passing yardage totals from 2001:

46
86
107
108

.... and those "miracle drives" count. Tebow may flame out, starting with the very next game he plays, but, to this point, he's getting the job done and getting his team wins, and he's doing it as a "project" with half a season of starts under his belt.

The 46 yards were when he came in for Drew Bledsoe in the 4th quarter, and the 86 yards came in his second game as a starter, and both were losses, so were not part of the Brady legend and never used as evidence that he was a "winner."
 
I wasn't impressed with the training footage I saw, even with those "experts" there were still some bad fundamentals in plain view, IMO.

As far as staring down his guys, that's something one can work on but one needs proper training: dealing with the 'heat of battle' necessitates one to work on fear innoculation, which is absolutely possible, but the correct training has to be there. I dont think he's getting that training.

To me, the kid is hundreds of practice and in-game dropback reps away from developing some kind of pocket passing ability. He has a lot of work to do in that area. He's basically starting from scratch.

Can he keep his head above water using his other abilities -- size, speed, scrambling, throwing on the run -- while he completes his NFL QB training? Don't know.
 
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