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Don't care what you say, the defense played very well yesterday...


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Why is the defense content to play straight up and allow clean reads at the LOS? No idea. I just hope we aren't asking that same question during the bye week.

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my theory: BB is saving up the attacking D and the no clean reads D for the Jets game.
 
The secondary of most teams is going to give up tons of yards because you cannot even breath on the receivers without the refs throwing a flag. However it does not help when the pats are getting ZERO pressure on opposing QB's giving them about 10 seconds to throw the ball.


Can't blitz either when they are consistently torched in man coverage. Sophmore slump seems to have a firm grip on McCourty. They could really use an enforcer/leader in the mold of Rodney Harrison back there to square them away, IMO.
 
Hey, if you lower your expectations far enough you might consider putting this defense in the HoF. Of course, you'd have to put in about 28 other defenses this season as well...
 
I can certainly see some griping about the defense, as there are problems (I think Metaphors is correct that they are not forcing QB's off their first read), but the overwhelming "defense is crap" sentiment is silly and not based in fact.

CHFF has a great defensive stat called bendability. It's a quality stat that has been proven to have a direct correlation to wins/loses. It's basically yds given up per point, so it blends yardage allowed and points allowed. Last year, for the whole year we were at 18.73, and Green Bay (eventual SB Champs) were tops overall at 20.61. Pittsburgh (who lost the SB) was second at 19.06. We were 4th behind Baltimore. The year before our rating was 17.98 (which was again 4th in the league).

After 3 games this year, we are at 17.82, which is good for about 6th-7th in the NFL right now, ahead of teams like Buffalo, Pittsburgh and the Jets. We're giving up lots of yards, but not nearly as many points. At this point last year, we were at 13.60 and were allowing 27.66 ppg (more then we are now). We were at the same record to (2-1). We improved significantly over the course of the season and there is no reason to believe we won't again. Statistically, this defense is playing BETTER then we were last year at this point by this measure, which again correlates directly to wins/losses.

Lots of room to improve, but it's not NEARLY as bleak as people might be inclined to think.

If you absolutely MUST place blame for this loss, look to the other side of the ball. Yeah...... I'm serious. We gave them 4 extra possessions on offense and they made the most of it. Bills scored 24 points off of Int's. Sure it was against this defense, but lets be honest, they should have NEVER been in the position in the first place. We had a couple Int's of our own, and we managed a meager 7 points of them. The turnover/point differential was 24-7...... You ain't EVER gonna win games like that. Take out those giveaways and we dominated this Buffalo team on both sides of the ball 24-10. At the game, it really did feel like we dominated them outside of all those crappy Int's and the ensuing drives afterword.

You HAVE TO EXPECT a defense to take advantage of giveaways to the tune of 3 or 7 points. Sunday was NO EXCEPTION. Buffalo scored on all 4 (3 TD, 1 FG) and we scored only on one (1 TD). In fact, in a game that we moved the ball at will, one of our only 3 and outs came after the second Int. That's uncharacteristic. Brady almost ALWAYS makes em' pay. It's a signature thing for him.

You just can't do that kind of stuff. Sunday was a rare day for the offense in that 1) they were careless with the rock, and 2) they did not take advantage of Buffalo's mistakes. Had they done either, we would have won this game. Plain and simple, the offense gave this game away.

There really isn't much of an argument the other way beyond "they gave up alot of yards" and a few easy TD's (on possessions the Bills SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAD and in situations you can reasonably expect to get scored on).

Buffalo had 2 turnovers, so the difference was only +2. The defense couldn't stop an infant from crawling the full length of the field. You can pretend all you wish, but the truth is that the defense failed.
 
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The defense was terrible. Brady, despite four interceptions, ties the game up and the defense proceeds to let the Bills offense walk down the field.

Maybe it was tired after having to play quite a bit of defense due to the morons
on the offensive side of the team giving the Bills the ball every few minutes.
Perhaps if the offense wouldn't mind playing error free (or even minimal
error-free) then the defense wouldn't have as much time to screw up? Don't
go hanging this one entirely on the defense. It sucked, but nowhere near as
bad as the offense sucked (and especially Brady). Every team has a bad day
and our team was especially bad this past Sunday. Someone needs to tattoo
the word FINISH on their foreheads.
 
Buffalo had 2 turnovers, so the difference was only +2. The defense couldn't stop an infant from crawling the full length of the field. You can pretend all you wish, but the truth is that the defense failed.
its funny how some can see a plus with this D!! LOL
Overall this D is Brutal!!! Absolutely pathetic at this time-- worst D ive seen in some time- makes me sick
 
Maybe it was tired after having to play quite a bit of defense due to the morons
on the offensive side of the team giving the Bills the ball every few minutes.
Perhaps if the offense wouldn't mind playing error free (or even minimal
error-free) then the defense wouldn't have as much time to screw up? Don't
go hanging this one entirely on the defense. It sucked, but nowhere near as
bad as the offense sucked (and especially Brady). Every team has a bad day
and our team was especially bad this past Sunday. Someone needs to tattoo
the word FINISH on their foreheads.
quit being delusional- The O is whats going to get this team into the playoffs
the D is going to make it much harder than it should be!!
 
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Maybe it was tired after having to play quite a bit of defense due to the morons
on the offensive side of the team giving the Bills the ball every few minutes.
Perhaps if the offense wouldn't mind playing error free (or even minimal
error-free) then the defense wouldn't have as much time to screw up? Don't
go hanging this one entirely on the defense. It sucked, but nowhere near as
bad as the offense sucked (and especially Brady). Every team has a bad day
and our team was especially bad this past Sunday. Someone needs to tattoo
the word FINISH on their foreheads.

The Patriots won the TOP battle.
 
its funny how some can see a plus with this D!! LOL
Overall this D is Brutal!!! Absolutely pathetic at this time-- worst D ive seen in some time- makes me sick


I think you are missing the overall point as are most of the "its the D's fault" crowd. Yes the D is horrible and has a hard time stopping any O, getting a pash rush, covering a WR. But the fact is they only gave up 27 points on Sunday vs the Bills. The O scored 31 points. The D played good enough to win on Sunday, too bad the O didn't live up that level of play.

Now good enough is not what we are used too as Pats fans, I get that, but on Sunday the D was good enough, its the O that wasn't.
 
I think you are missing the overall point as are most of the "its the D's fault" crowd. Yes the D is horrible and has a hard time stopping any O, getting a pash rush, covering a WR. But the fact is they only gave up 27 points on Sunday vs the Bills. The O scored 31 points. The D played good enough to win on Sunday, too bad the O didn't live up that level of play.

Now good enough is not what we are used too as Pats fans, I get that, but on Sunday the D was good enough, its the O that wasn't.

Re-read your post. "Only" 27 points?
 
Maybe it was tired after having to play quite a bit of defense due to the morons
on the offensive side of the team giving the Bills the ball every few minutes.
Perhaps if the offense wouldn't mind playing error free (or even minimal
error-free) then the defense wouldn't have as much time to screw up? Don't
go hanging this one entirely on the defense. It sucked, but nowhere near as
bad as the offense sucked (and especially Brady). Every team has a bad day
and our team was especially bad this past Sunday. Someone needs to tattoo
the word FINISH on their foreheads.

Not buying that the D was tired. Pats had the ball longer than the bills. Plus look at the last quarter. The first drive the defense was on the field for whole 4 plays. In under a minute they were back on the sideline. Pats got the ball back and then had a 7 minute drive. Bills get the ball on the 20 yard line 4 plays later they are at the pats 1 yard line. At that point Fitzpatrick starts kneeling the ball and the game by all intents and purposes is over.
 
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Not buying that the D was tired. Pats had the ball longer than the bills. Plus look at the last quarter. The first drive the defense was on the field for whole 4 plays. In under a minute they were back on the sideline. Pats got the ball back and then had a 7 minute drive. Bills get the ball on the 20 yard line 4 plays later they are at the pats 1 yard line. At that point Fitzpatrick starts kneeling the ball and the game by all intents and purposes is over.

We tend to overlook the psychological part of the game, but most defenses fold when the offense plays like that, especially in one of the loudest stadiums in the NFL. The defense essentially broke the Bills' will before halftime; the offense resurrected the Bills' will with their turnovers.
 
Re-read your post. "Only" 27 points?

Didn't say only giving up 27 was good or even acceptable, just it was good enough to win against the Bills if the O didn't sh*t the bed.
 
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I think you are missing the overall point as are most of the "its the D's fault" crowd. Yes the D is horrible and has a hard time stopping any O, getting a pash rush, covering a WR. But the fact is they only gave up 27 points on Sunday vs the Bills. The O scored 31 points. The D played good enough to win on Sunday, too bad the O didn't live up that level of play.

Now good enough is not what we are used too as Pats fans, I get that, but on Sunday the D was good enough, its the O that wasn't.

but you forgot Bills O also gave pats points- it goes both ways- its called football--- If pats had a decent tough D they would be 3 and zip right now
with no concern at all now or for the future-
 
Didn't say only giving up 27 was good or even acceptable, just it was good enough to win against the Bills if the O didn't sh*t the bed.

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But your argument is obviously wrong. The offense put up 31 points and the team still lost.
 
the defense was absolute garbage in the second half. The absolute only ting keeping me from going crazy is watching the Jets D get gashed. If were playing like this 4 weeks from now I will start losing hope for the rest of the season.
 
Didn't say only giving up 27 was good or even acceptable, just it was good enough to win against the Bills if the O didn't sh*t the bed.

Letting up 27 points is not good enough to win. This is especially true when you consider the game was tied with two minutes to go and the defense let the offense march 80 yards kill the entire clock and kick an easy field goal to win it.

They were the definition of fail. Brady has to be almost perfect for the team to win with the way the D is playing right now. They are atrocious and it has been the same for at least the third straight year. They haven't been able to stop the pass for at least three straight years.
 
Disregard the stats, yards per play, pass rush, run D, red zone D, etc. I will concede that without Chung and even perhaps Haynesworth playing has hur this team a bit.

Good defenses make plays at the end of games.

The 2011 are a borderline, erratic defense which is simply not good enough.
 
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