At what point are missed games foregone conclustion?

[BlueThunder]

WTF...A Pissing contest with JO?

Grabs popcorn..

This ought to be good :rocker:

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack View Post
Sorry, but this ain't the 80's anymore. Back then, the Patriots really were the saddest, most pathetic organization in the league (and that includes the Lions, Cardinals and Bucs) with the worst stadium, pathetic ownership and zero fan support.

1989 NFL New England Patriots 5 11
1988 NFL New England Patriots 9 7
1987 NFL New England Patriots 8 7
1986 NFL New England Patriots 11 5
1985 NFL New England Patriots 11 5
1984 NFL New England Patriots 9 7
1983 NFL New England Patriots 8 8
1982 NFL New England Patriots 5 4
1981 NFL New England Patriots 2 14 0
1980 NFL New England Patriots 10 6 0

Being a Patriots season ticket holder the entire decade, I can unequivocally say that "zero fan support" is an outright lie.Even in the down years, there was always a hardcore 20,000 fan base that attended every game. Some of my fondest memories are from that decade and tailgating every home game in Lot 17 with the same group of friends lined up in the first row of that corn field along Rt. 1. How this moron gets "saddest organization in history!!!" out of five winning seasons including a Super Bowl appearance is, quite frankly, a question for mental health professionals.

Good Post !

I also have fond memories of the LA Beer years....
When the decade started my seats were $10 and at the end they were
$18.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Am I the only one in here that remembers a 5-11 season in 2000? There was no reason to believe the team would turn around, and yet the season tickets were still sold out.

I think others have better memories than you on this one.

This was team in cap hell, with overpaid players who weren't getting the job done.

Everyone including Kraft felt Belichick was worth the 1st round pick in trade

I didn't encounter one fan who was writing off Belichick and the Patriots after one season.

 

[Wolfpack]

I think others have better memories than you on this one.

This was team in cap hell, with overpaid players who weren't getting the job done.

Everyone including Kraft felt Belichick was worth the 1st round pick in trade

I didn't encounter one fan who was writing off Belichick and the Patriots after one season.

Then you must not have encountered terribly many fans because it's a load of crap to act as if Belichick was universally beloved in New England during the summer of 2001. Any statement to the contrary is either deliberate revisionist history or simply time clouding your memories.

Fact is an awful lot of people were calling for Belichick's head after just one season here in NE and nobody was predicting the HC of the NEP, who at the time had a career record 41-55, was on the verge of igniting a dynasty.

 

[Jackson 2]

Then you must not have encountered terribly many fans because it's a load of crap to act as if Belichick was universally beloved in New England during the summer of 2001. Any statement to the contrary is either deliberate revisionist history or simply time clouding your memories.

Fact is an awful lot of people were calling for Belichick's head after just one season here in NE and nobody was predicting the HC of the NEP, who at the time had a career record 41-55, was on the verge of igniting a dynasty.

My recollection as a season ticket holder at the time is that you are essentially correct. I'm not sure if it was "an awful lot of people", but there clearly was a fair amount of skepticism among fans about our future with BB at the helm. I'm glad the skeptics were wrong.

 

[Joker]

As opposed to most other teams who had a hardcore 70,000 at every home game.

Seriously, though. Stop embarrassing yourself. If you're trying to convince us all how loyal and widespread the Patriots fandom of the 1980's was, you're just making a complete fool of yourself.
Wow. What a pathetic statement if it really is true. I am sure most people in this forum have fonder memories of the past 10 years than they do of the decade of the 80's.

But you feel free to continue talking about how wonderful the Tony Eason years were!
What do you think those same mental health professionals would say about an individual who feels the need to personally attack someone by labelling them a "moron" simply because that person has a different opinion than you regarding the professional caliber of the New England Patriots circa the 1980's?

By the way, the fact that you put my statement in quotes but couldn't even quote me accurately shows how poor your reasoning is. You obviously can't respond to what I actually said so you have to put words in my mouth and then respond to what you're pretending I've said.

Tell me, were you deliberately trying to be dishonest or do you think the terms "in the league" and "in history" are equivalent?

Tell me YOU are over the age of 25 and NOT an ADHD riddled fantasy football geek...and the bolded quote was not meant to be word for word accurate but rather hyperbole to stress what a moronic post you made.BTW you elitist snotty punk, as far as I'm concerned, the 60's were great years to be a Patriots fan, the 70's, the 80's ,the 90's and since 2000.,..I don't know what kind of "fan" you think you are but I get a distinct sense of "frontrunner" oozing forth every time you post .

What do you think those same mental health professionals would say about an individual who feels the need to personally attack someone by labelling them a "moron"...heh...pure karmic hypocrisy

what do I think of teams that put 70,000 fans in seats during the 80's??? Uh...I think that would be hard for ANY Patriot team of ANY decade to match since Foxboro only held a tad over SIXTY THOUSAND.Attacking our fanbase because it doesn't live up to YOUR lofty expectations of what a REAL SUCCESSFUL fanbase was in the eighties is as idiotic and near braindead as the ridiculous "Cassel better than Brady" arguments vomited forth by fans of your ilk a couple of years agh..one last item...yes,the Tony Eason years WERE very enjoyable...mainly because a gritty, never say die, tough as nails player named STEVE GROGAN saved Champagne Tony's azz more than a few times. Maybe you never heard of him...I understand...you are blind as a bat about anything Patriot related pre-2000 anyway.

 

[Deus Irae]

Because Drew Bledsoe was still quarterback, period, end of discussion.

Well, with that sort of answer, you prove you're just trolling.

 

[Wolfpack]

Tell me YOU are over the age of 25 and NOT an ADHD riddled fantasy football geek...and the bolded quote was not meant to be word for word accurate but rather hyperbole to stress what a moronic post you made.

So in order to demonstrate my post was, as you say, "moronic," you had to deliberately misquote me.

That ain't me being the moron here, my friend.

BTW you elitist snotty punk, as far as I'm concerned, the 60's were great years to be a Patriots fan, the 70's, the 80's ,the 90's and since 2000.,..I don't know what kind of "fan" you think you are but I get a distinct sense of "frontrunner" oozing forth every time you post .

I'm a long time STHer and I've been going to Foxboro since the 80's. And my fondest memories are from the past 10 years. Can't say I have terribly many fond memories of Hugh Millen under center compared to what we've seen here since '01.

But you keep trying to tell us all how we're nothing but a bunch of "elitest snotty punks" for preferring the past 10 years over the glory days of Ron Meyer and Rod Rust.

what do I think of teams that put 70,000 fans in seats during the 80's??? Uh...I think that would be hard for ANY Patriot team of ANY decade to match since Foxboro only held a tad over SIXTY THOUSAND.

And even then it was half empty quite often. There's a reason Monday Night Football left New England for a period of about 15 years or so.

My friend, you're making a fool of yourself here by frothing at the mouth about how wonderful things were during the 80's and how great and tremendous and loyal the fanbase was back then. I don't even have to actually say anything; I'm just stepping back and letting you display your own ignorance.

 

[Wolfpack]

Well, with that sort of answer, you prove you're just trolling.

Oh really? So you think this team would have turned around had Bledsoe remained the starter? Gotta say I disagree with you there. Bledsoe was 5-13 as a starter under Bill Belichick.

There's a reason why Mo Lewis is beloved in some parts 'round here.

 

[Joker]

And even then it was half empty quite often.


why do you continue to lie outright? what bothers you so much that you print easily disproved LIES like Hugh Millen,who signed on as a Patriot in 1991? Half empty quite often during the 80's? Are you talking about the New England Patriots of THIS planet? Or some other dimension where FACT is not a required tool to make posts?...really, I get it...you're a decade bigot..congrats..it goes well with your pin head.

 

[Wolfpack]

And even then it was half empty quite often.


why do you continue to lie outright? what bothers you so much that you print easily disproved LIES like Hugh Millen,who signed on as a Patriot in 1991? Half empty quite often during the 80's? Are you talking about the New England Patriots of THIS planet? Or some other dimension where FACT is not a required tool to make posts?...really, I get it...you're a decade bigot..congrats..it goes well with your pin head.

I openly and gladly admit I preferred the decade of the 00's over the decade of the 80's And in response you call me a "decade bigot" (whatever that means).

Good luck finding anyone in this forum who disagrees with my contention that the 00's were preferable to the 80's. I guess every single one of us (except you since you prefer the 80's) are just a bunch of "decade bigots".

 

[Ron Sellers]

Sorry, but this ain't the 80's anymore. Back then, the Patriots really were the saddest, most pathetic organization in the league (and that includes the Lions, Cardinals and Bucs) with the worst stadium, pathetic ownership and zero fan support. Now we enjoy a great stadium and a great ownership group, 2 things which will persist even after Brady and Belichick retire.

Am I the only one in here that remembers a 5-11 season in 2000? There was no reason to believe the team would turn around, and yet the season tickets were still sold out.

Having lived in both the Boston area as well as Tampa during parts of the 80's, I can say with absolutely zero hesitation that you are incorrect with that assessment. Tampa Bay had an owner by the name of Hugh Culverhouse who was, from a fans perspective, worse than any owner the Patriots ever had. He purposely spent as little money as possible so he could make as high a profit as possible, thanks to television revenue sharing. Some of those Pats owners were inept, but they never tanked on purpose even they they had money to spend.

As for the stadium, the original one in Tampa was not much better (if at all) than the first one in Foxboro. Care to compare records, or attendance?

In the 80's the Bucs had two winning seasons: 9-7 and 5-4; they had seven straight years with double-digit losses. Their record for the decade was 45-106-1. They went 2-14 three times in four years and were outscored by 572 points during that time.

By comparison the Pats had two - TWO - losing season during the 80's. Yes, they did have a 2-14 season - in which they were outscored by a mere 48 points. They went 78-74 over the course of the decade, made it to the playoffs three times and to the Super Bowl once. Believe it or not, this 'horrible' team actually outscored their opponents over the decade by 125 points.

Oh yeah, and that urban legend about the tickets on the windshield? It really is a true story; problem is, it happened in the parking lot of a Bucs game, not in New England.

 

[Joker]

I openly and gladly admit I preferred the decade of the 00's over the decade of the 80's And in response you call me a "decade bigot" (whatever that means).

Good luck finding anyone in this forum who disagrees with my contention that the 00's were preferable to the 80's. I guess every single one of us (except you since you prefer the 80's) are just a bunch of "decade bigots".

no...that is not the point at issue..it is YOUR contention that the Patriots fanbase was abysmal, the team a joke, it's record the worst in the NFL and anyone who was a fan then was an idiot for watching Tony Eason. If it wasn't for the 80's, a fan named Robert Kraft might never have gotten the interest to BUY the franchise and keep it here,building it back up to what it is today.

Funny that you constantly harp on Tony Eason as the reason the 80's were so horrible.It's funny because ,at the time, I thought the New England Patriots were LOADED with great players...like Steve Grogan, but of course YOU would mock that..or John Hannah..but of course there's no one like Logan Mankins as far as YOU are concerned, is there Addy? And Andre Tippett,Julius Adams,Steve Nelson,Lin Dawson, Stanley Morgan,Ray Clayborn,Don Blackmon,Pete Brock,Ken Sims..even Irving Fryar....nobodies compared to today's list of staggering Patriot all pros...yeah, you ARE bigoted given your PRINTED words in this thread about Patriot players and coaches in the 80's...in case you are too stupid to understand the meaning of the word here it is

A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different views

 

[Deus Irae]

Oh really? So you think this team would have turned around had Bledsoe remained the starter? Gotta say I disagree with you there. Bledsoe was 5-13 as a starter under Bill Belichick.

I don't know what would have happened. But the foolishness of claiming that Bledsoe's presence alone was enough for people not to believe is so blatant that you had to have been trolling.

There's a reason why Mo Lewis is beloved in some parts 'round here.

Yes, because there are idiots everywhere.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'm a long time STHer and I've been going to Foxboro since the 80's. And my fondest memories are from the past 10 years. Can't say I have terribly many fond memories of Hugh Millen under center compared to what we've seen here since '01.

Hugh Millen behind in points in the red zone running out the clock on 4th down was a classic never to be equaled (we can only hope).

 

[Wolfpack]

I don't know what would have happened. But the foolishness of claiming that Bledsoe's presence alone was enough for people not to believe is so blatant that you had to have been trolling.

Sure thing. Bledsoe was 5-13 in his final 18 games as a starter in New England, but gosh darn it he would have turned it all around that very next week if he hadn't gotten injured!!

 

[Wolfpack]

Having lived in both the Boston area as well as Tampa during parts of the 80's, I can say with absolutely zero hesitation that you are incorrect with that assessment. Tampa Bay had an owner by the name of Hugh Culverhouse who was, from a fans perspective, worse than any owner the Patriots ever had. He purposely spent as little money as possible so he could make as high a profit as possible, thanks to television revenue sharing. Some of those Pats owners were inept, but they never tanked on purpose even they they had money to spend.

Did Hugh Culverhouse buy the Bucs with the single intent of moving them to St. Louis? Because we had one of those.

As for the stadium, the original one in Tampa was not much better (if at all) than the first one in Foxboro. Care to compare records, or attendance?

Yeah, it was such a horrible stadium that the NFL decided to have 2 Super Bowls there.

Foxboro Stadium was a place unworthly of hosting 1-AA football, not to mention the NFL.

 

[Deus Irae]

Sure thing. Bledsoe was 5-13 in his final 18 games as a starter in New England, but gosh darn it he would have turned it all around that very next week if he hadn't gotten injured!!

And yet, miraculously, he was able to play at a pro bowl level again later in his career.

 

[Ring 6]

Then you must not have encountered terribly many fans because it's a load of crap to act as if Belichick was universally beloved in New England during the summer of 2001. Any statement to the contrary is either deliberate revisionist history or simply time clouding your memories.

Fact is an awful lot of people were calling for Belichick's head after just one season here in NE and nobody was predicting the HC of the NEP, who at the time had a career record 41-55, was on the verge of igniting a dynasty.

Those who paid close attention to what he did with the hand he was dealt in 2000 did.
My first assessment that BB was the right man for the job was late in 2000 when it became clear to me that the 2000 season was about finding out who on the roster could play the way he needed them to in order to win Championships rather than using the talents that were on the roster to win the most games that year.
I have absolutely no doubt that BB could have run a 650 pass offense, and an aggressive blitzing defense and gone 8-8 that year. Instead he followed the blueprint of the kind of team he felt cold win a Championship, accepted the results, and assessed what he had.
Did I expect a SB title in 2001 before the season? No. But I was VERY confident things were going in the right direction and there would be one in the future.

 

[Ring 6]

And yet, miraculously, he was able to play at a pro bowl level again later in his career.

Actually half a season, which was his norm.