Jerod Mayo leads the NFL in tackles

[folamzz]

Mayo had 16 tackles yesterday and i can't remember any of them. I actually think he's overrated because of the high tackle numbers he gets. I will give him credit for being a 3 down player, that is valuable on any team.

 

[Nikolai]

Mayo had 16 tackles yesterday and i can't remember one of them. I actually think he's overrated because of the high tackle numbers he gets. I will give him credit for being a 3 down player, that is valuable on any team.

You should watch a little more closely. He made a few nice open field tackles actually. He's not overrated at all. He gets no press or mention on any general NFL article or show I've seen.

 

[Kontradiction]

Mayo had 16 tackles yesterday and i can't remember any of them. I actually think he's overrated because of the high tackle numbers he gets. I will give him credit for being a 3 down player, that is valuable on any team.

 

[Fencer]

For a team, a high number of total tackles is a BAD thing to have.

Also, what fraction of your team's total tackles you have (per snap played) is partially a function of your ability and partially a function of scheme. So having a large number of tackles doesn't prove that much.

E.g., imagine a team on which the CBs and pass rushers were all-world, but the DL was useless against the run. Then the LBs would make tackles on 15 running plays every single drive, and put up ridiculous tackle counts as a result (even though there would be relatively few drives per game).

 

[Simkin]

In our SB season the most numer of tackles were made usually by the SS.

 

[Frezo]

Mayo had 16 tackles yesterday and i can't remember any of them. I actually think he's overrated because of the high tackle numbers he gets. I will give him credit for being a 3 down player, that is valuable on any team.

It's doubtful that Monty Beisel or Chad Brown would have made all of those tackles. The fact that Mayo made them and did his job is a credit to his skills. That he was put in a position to have to make them is a team issue, but should have little reflection on his play making ability.

 

[Calciumee]

Mayo had 16 tackles yesterday and i can't remember any of them. I actually think he's overrated because of the high tackle numbers he gets. I will give him credit for being a 3 down player, that is valuable on any team.

I don't think a player can be overrated when he isn't really rated much!

 

[DarrylS]

Not sure about the contention that too many tackles for a MLB is a bad thing.. in out defense the D-Line is supposed to tie up blockers, and LB's and DB's are supposed to make the tackles..

As far as not noticing his play on the field, not sure what game folks are watching.. he is all over the place..

He is now up to 164, leading the league..

On our team he is followed by.. McCourty(77), Chung(87), Arrington(62), Sanders(61), Meriweather(61), Sanders(57), Wilfork(50), Guyton, Spikes, Ninkovich, Tullly and Cunningham..

At one time Spikes was second, but has fallen off due to missing a couple of games..

In '04 for example Rodney and Tedy B. were our leading tacklers..

 

[reflexblue]

In this system the LB'' are Suppose to have the most tackles. The D-linemans job is to occupie the opposing O lineman so the LB's can make the tackles.

 

[reflexblue]

Mayo had 16 tackles yesterday and i can't remember any of them. I actually think he's overrated because of the high tackle numbers he gets. I will give him credit for being a 3 down player, that is valuable on any team.

Are you serious kid?

 

[strngplyr]

Not sure about the contention that too many tackles for a MLB is a bad thing.. in out defense the D-Line is supposed to tie up blockers, and LB's and DB's are supposed to make the tackles..

As far as not noticing his play on the field, not sure what game folks are watching.. he is all over the place..

He is now up to 164, leading the league..

On our team he is followed by.. McCourty(77), Chung(87), Arrington(62), Sanders(61), Meriweather(61), Sanders(57), Wilfork(50), Guyton, Spikes, Ninkovich, Tullly and Cunningham..

At one time Spikes was second, but has fallen off due to missing a couple of games..

In '04 for example Rodney and Tedy B. were our leading tacklers..

He gets all those tackles because we have the worst 3rd down defense in the NFL, meaning, we're on the field, getting many more plays run against us, until we intercept someone or force a fumble. We don't have the explosive player in our front 7 making tackles in the backfield, and many of our sacks are from the secondary taking away QB's options making him hold the ball longer than he wants.

 

[Calciumee]

He gets all those tackles because we have the worst 3rd down defense in the NFL, meaning, we're on the field, getting many more plays run against us, until we intercept someone or force a fumble. We don't have the explosive player in our front 7 making tackles in the backfield, and many of our sacks are from the secondary taking away QB's options making him hold the ball longer than he wants.

We have a game where the D wasn't great (yet still won) and the pessimists come back

 

[DarrylS]

He gets all those tackles because we have the worst 3rd down defense in the NFL, meaning, we're on the field, getting many more plays run against us, until we intercept someone or force a fumble. We don't have the explosive player in our front 7 making tackles in the backfield, and many of our sacks are from the secondary taking away QB's options making him hold the ball longer than he wants.

But that does not diminish his ability.... it does not make any difference how he gets them, he gets thems..

Go back and look at the stats from previous years, already pointed out in '04 our leading tacklers were Harrison and Bruschi..

In '03 it was Bruschi and Harrison..

IN '01 it was Milloy, Phifer, Law, Otis Smith and Bruschi..

Here is the first clue.. linebackers always lead the league in tackling..

 

[strngplyr]

We have a game where the D wasn't great (yet still won) and the pessimists come back

Uhhh, you couldn't find someone more positive about this team. But Mayo's tackle count doesn't make him all-world like some of you want to believe. Why do you have a hard time believing that his tackles are absurdly high because the defense can't get off the field most of the time? Have you watched many games this season? Teams convert 3rd and 15 on a regular basis.

I honestly don't understand why "defense on field longer = more tackles" is a hard pill to swallow for everyone. I love this team, I love Mayo, I love everything about it and wouldn't trade it for the 07 team. But holy crap, Mayo's tackles don't tell the whole story. I'm being REAL. Not a downer. Some of you are jizzing over a stat that isn't even official FAR too much.

Since you like stats so much:
Our defense is on the field for 32+ minutes a game on average.
Our defense has played the 4th most snaps in the NFL at 938.
Our defense has allowed 92/187 3rd downs. Nearly 50%

The saving grace is 29 take aways, some going back for scores, and some solid special teams play at times, giving points, preventing points, or great field position.


I'm not a pessimist but I'm not going to sugar coat everything and pretend its perfect. That doesn't make me all warm and cozy inside believing something that simply isn't true.

But that does not diminish his ability.... it does not make any difference how he gets them, he gets thems..

Go back and look at the stats from previous years, already pointed out in '04 our leading tacklers were Harrison and Bruschi..

In '03 it was Bruschi and Harrison..

IN '01 it was Milloy, Phifer, Law, Otis Smith and Bruschi..

Here is the first clue.. linebackers always lead the league in tackling..

Good job pointing out the teams leading tacklers. My argument isn't about who is leading, or what position he plays. My argument is that tackles =! best MLB in nfl. Some people on this board want to believe that because Mayo is leading the league in a stat, that isn't even officially kept by the league, that he is the best MLB in the NFL. That's just silly. The tackle stat has no substance to it. Believe it or not, where and why he makes tackles IS important. If his tackles are 15 yards down field because he missed the first try but had good pursuit to catch does that make him the best? Even if he missed it? Are any in the backfield? We don't know. those would be awesome but "xxx number of tackles" doesn't tell us that. You can't look at the statistic alone and judge someone.

I'm actually not even sure what your argument is, as I never said that Mayo shouldn't have tackles, or shouldn't be leading the league in them. But the reason he is is NOT because he's all-world (he might just be, i am NOT denying that or diminishing his ability), but it's because the defense can't get off the field, and thrives on the big play. So NO **** our defensive players are going to have a boat load of tackles. That doesn't make them the best in the NFL.

 

[mudslinger]

Stats are for losers

 

[unoriginal]

Mayo's tackle count doesn't make him all-world like some of you want to believe. Why do you have a hard time believing that his tackles are absurdly high because the defense can't get off the field most of the time? Have you watched many games this season? Teams convert 3rd and 15 on a regular basis.

I honestly don't understand why "defense on field longer = more tackles" is a hard pill to swallow for everyone.

The following should be pretty self-explanatory:

Name		Tackles	Snaps	T/S
[B]Mayo		164	938	0.17[/B]
Tulloch		145	995	0.15
Greenway	127	839	0.15
Posluszny	126	936	0.13
Fletcher	124	925	0.13
Lews		124	875	0.14
[COLOR="DimGray"]Whitner[/COLOR]		124	936	0.13
Timmons		121	861	0.14
Willis		116	886	0.13
Anderson	115	921	0.12
[COLOR="DimGray"]Ward[/COLOR]		114	921	0.12
Jones		113	844	0.13

Grayed out names are safeties, the rest are linebackers.

 

[DarrylS]

I honestly don't understand why "defense on field longer = more tackles" is a hard pill to swallow for everyone. I love this team, I love Mayo, I love everything about it and wouldn't trade it for the 07 team. But holy crap, Mayo's tackles don't tell the whole story. I'm being REAL. Not a downer. Some of you are jizzing over a stat that isn't even official FAR too much.

Since you like stats so much:
Our defense is on the field for 32+ minutes a game on average.
Our defense has played the 4th most snaps in the NFL at 938.
Our defense has allowed 92/187 3rd downs. Nearly 50%

The saving grace is 29 take aways, some going back for scores, and some solid special teams play at times, giving points, preventing points, or great field position.
Good job pointing out the teams leading tacklers. My argument isn't about who is leading, or what position he plays. My argument is that tackles =! best MLB in nfl. Some people on this board want to believe that because Mayo is leading the league in a stat, that isn't even officially kept by the league, that he is the best MLB in the NFL. That's just silly. The tackle stat has no substance to it. Believe it or not, where and why he makes tackles IS important. If his tackles are 15 yards down field because he missed the first try but had good pursuit to catch does that make him the best? Even if he missed it? Are any in the backfield? We don't know. those would be awesome but "xxx number of tackles" doesn't tell us that. You can't look at the statistic alone and judge someone.

I'm actually not even sure what your argument is, as I never said that Mayo shouldn't have tackles, or shouldn't be leading the league in them. But the reason he is is NOT because he's all-world (he might just be, i am NOT denying that or diminishing his ability), but it's because the defense can't get off the field, and thrives on the big play. So NO **** our defensive players are going to have a boat load of tackles. That doesn't make them the best in the NFL.

I was arguing this point, that you made previously..

He gets all those tackles because we have the worst 3rd down defense in the NFL, meaning, we're on the field, getting many more plays run against us, until we intercept someone or force a fumble. We don't have the explosive player in our front 7 making tackles in the backfield, and many of our sacks are from the secondary taking away QB's options making him hold the ball longer than he wants.

You seem to believe that the D line should be making all the tackles, go back and review the previous NFL stats.. LB's usually lead the league in tackles, in ''07, '08, '09 Patrick Willis, in '06 Zach Thomas, '05 Vilma, '04 Keith Bullock led the league in tackles..

It is a meaningless statistic, but you cannot read too much into why he has all the tackles.. what we do know is BB plays to his strengths.. Mayo is one.

 

[strngplyr]

I was arguing this point, that you made previously..

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You seem to believe that the D line should be making all the tackles, go back and review the previous NFL stats.. LB's usually lead the league in tackles, in ''07, '08, '09 Patrick Willis, in '06 Zach Thomas, '05 Vilma, '04 Keith Bullock led the league in tackles..

I said nowhere that DLine should have all the tackles, and I don't believe I implied it. I said that we don't have the front seven that makes explosive plays in the back field. Front seven includes LB's. Unless we play a 7dline set. If we do have the DWare, Freeny, Mathis, Matthews, Willis, Lewis, or whoever you want to choose, please point me to him. I'm still not sure where I said the DLine should make the tackles and not the LB. I said the LB wouldn't have so many tackles if the defense wasn't on the field so much. Mayo's tackle count is a product of defensive struggles at times. I'm not insulting him but if you think we have an amazing defense you scare me. We have an opportunistic defense. And I like it.

It is a meaningless statistic, but you cannot read too much into why he has all the tackles.. what we do know is BB plays to his strengths.. Mayo is one.

Wow, absolutely nothing I wrote in there says the DLine should make all the tackles. And holy crap, I'M THE PERSON SAYING THAT HIS INSANE NUMBER OF TACKLES DOESN'T MAKE HIM GREAT. How am *I* the one reading too much into it? Forgive me if that was directed at the other readers and not myself, but I am the one saying they DO NOT mean everything.

edit: abit redundant in a few lines because im tired, whoops.

 

[folamzz]

Stats are for losers

Except when you want to argue that Mayo is an elite MLB because he has 40 more tackles than any other player.

 

[mudslinger]

Except when you want to argue that Mayo is an elite MLB because he has 40 more tackles than any other player.

Doesn't mean crap to me. They are winning, he is the middle linebacker.
As long as they are winning I could care less how many tackles he has.