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Dancing on NY "Journalists"(Update on William C. Rhoden)


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I am sick of the whole Spygate/Camragate thing. There are a couple of facts that they failed to mention.

1) The Patriots were "caught" 8 minutes into the game. They went on to crush the all the regular season opponents. Also they were heavily monitored by the NFL for the rest of the season, so the supposed "cheating" was a moot point.

2) Steve Scarnecchia was actually an employee of the J-E-T-S in 2007 under Mangini, and was the one who turned the Patriots in.

I hate the way the media tends to gloss over these things. Not to mention a first round draft pick was a huge loss. BB probably would have traded it for a couple of later rounds and maybe a 3rd in the following year.

Ironically enough, the moralizing journalist Mr. Rhoden's offense to his profession's integrity yesterday was a LARGER AND CLEARER one than the Patriots' videotaping outside of the proscribed areas.

Let's see if the hypocrit owns up.
 
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However, it’s my understanding that the Times’ policy is to note corrections, changes, or updates to articles like this instead of just throwing lines like “The shift has occurred: the Jets are in ascendancy, while New England is in retrograde” down the memory hole.

I notice a lot of news sites do this. That is why just posting links to stories is not the best idea. Post the most damning parts as well. I've been burned a few times like that, where I'll post an article, it's modified without notice, and then people comment, saying "WTF is the big deal" or somesuch.
 
I read Rhoden's article in the paper this morning. It gave me a good laugh. Nice timing there, after the Pats beat the crap out of his city's team :lol2:
 
I've found that in the wake of Spygate, there are few groups of people.

The average Joe who attends a few football games, realizes how overblown it is and that you're not actually "stealing" something in plain sight to every fan, and also realizes that coaches cover their mouths with a clipboard for a reason.

The smart guy who realizes, like most people of intelligence, that the Patriots probably gained a slight advantage in this, but also realizes that their teams were spectacular, are still great, and that other teams also do everything to gather intelligence.

The guy thinks he's smart (Bill Rhoden) who sees the world in conspiracies and black-and-white. There are plenty of people out there; they are smarter than average but unable to realize that these deep conspiracies cannot exist in the real world due to human nature. In the case of Spygate, on paper it looks bad. Go to any NFL stadium and you'll probably laugh at how blown up this story was. You can sit there as an assistant coach and crack signals during the game.

The jealous haters who hated the Pats long before Spygate and could never just pat them on the back for their accomplishments. Mostly Steelers fans (have to give Colts fans credit, as they are probably the most reasonable of opposing fanbases) and Jets fans, they have just been so thoroughly dominated by the Patriots that they will say anything to believe their team was wronged. They see Spygate as the perfect answer to everything that woes them.

All in all, the fans that get most riled up about the Patriots are the ones with the most at stake and will be forever insecure with Belichick and Brady in the league.
 
I may be wrong, but didn't the Jets get caught taping the Patriots a few times in 2006? I believe the Patriots did not squeal to the league, and merely kicked the camera operator out.
 
I may be wrong, but didn't the Jets get caught taping the Patriots a few times in 2006? I believe the Patriots did not squeal to the league, and merely kicked the camera operator out.


Yes, but that would ruin a good story.
 
Yes, but that would ruin a good story.
I understand that this is the way it works: Steve Scarnecchia taped for the Patriots, went to work for the Jets and didn't tape and Josh McDaniels was so impressed with Steve's non-taping performance in New Jersey that he hired him in Denver to tape again. Sure, and Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are alive and well. What a load of BS.
 
I've found that in the wake of Spygate, there are few groups of people.

Mostly Steelers fans (have to give Colts fans credit, as they are probably the most reasonable of opposing fanbases)

Meh...I don't know which ones you've come across, but the Colts fans I remember during that time had some of the most disgustingly holier-than-thou attitudes I've ever seen. The Patriots were Satan and their precious little middle-American team was just Apple Pie. :blahblah: Alot of that crap, of course, started at the top from their Sainted ex-coach. :(

All in all, the fans that get most riled up about the Patriots are the ones with the most at stake and will be forever insecure with Belichick and Brady in the league.

Agree about the Steelers. Also need to include their fellow Pennsylvanian miserables, Eagles fans. They never seem to shut up about the SB they want asterisked for all eternity.
 
TruthSeeker(s) - A few of us call that entire episode 'Cameragate', as it should rightly be tagged.

Unfortunate that many Patsfans continue to use the mediots spin of 'spying' and give the episode a clandestine (=> negative) slant when it doesn't deserve any.

That's a good point. I tend to use the common terminology mostly because so many times when people change terminology to reflect their point of view it is so over the top - and I don't want to bias the main point of what I'm saying. But Cameragate is truthfully a much better term.
 
To me, a very interesting change from the original article is the removal about comments supposedly made by Jeff Pash during a conference call regarding the difference between the Patriots and the Broncos.

We're all assuming that Rhodes or the editors changed the article because of the result of last night's game. I wonder whether the change was occasioned by something more fundamental -- inaccuracy on important points.

It's shocking to me that the new article purports to have one correction from a prior version (the number of Belichick rings) but doesn't mention the fact that the entire story was changed. My best guess? They ran the initial Rhodes story by mistake, before it was ready. That's really the only possibility, unless there was some kind of cease and desist from the NFL or something, asserting Pash had been misquoted.
 
If you go to the article now it has this correction at the bottom. But the correction has nothing to do with the previous article.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: December 7, 2010


An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated that Bill Bellichick has three Super Bowl rings. He has five — three with the Patriots and two with the Giants.

What a joke, they say they updated it to make the correction about the number of Belichik's super bowl rings and make no mention of the previous article (and they can't even spell Belichick's last name correctly)

good job NY Times.
 
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Sorry PatsFanInAz didn't see you saw that already. In Rhoden's other article he is talking about every team having a down period in a season and takes another unnecessary swipe at the Patriots:

Santonio Holmes addressed the team in the locker room after the loss. The only starter with a Super Bowl ring, Holmes talked about having a champion’s heart, picking oneself up and moving forward. He reminded them that no one goes through a season unscathed. The Dolphins did in 1972, but no N.F.L. team has since. The Patriots were 18-0 in the 2007 season, then lost in the Super Bowl.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/08/sports/football/08rhoden.html?src=mv

This guy is a joke reporter with malice towards the Pats. The NY Times should be embarrassed by this guy.
 
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As Karguy85 noted above, The NYT has now inserted an addendum at the bottom of the edited article:
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"This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: December 7, 2010


An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated that Bill Bellichick has three Super Bowl rings. He has five — three with the Patriots and two with the Giants."
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DISINGENUOUS BULL!!!!!

That's NOT the only thing that got "revised".

This part (the one that is embarrassing to him):

"Normally unrestrained in heaping praise on his team, Ryan was careful with his remarks about Belichick and the Patriots. It was as if he wanted to play down the perception that a shift in power was taking place.

Too late. The shift has occurred: the Jets are in ascendancy, while New England is in retrograde, though it has nothing to do with one game, one season, injuries or upheaval.

The shift was set in motion three seasons ago by a moral misstep by Belichick. The Patriots empire began to unravel the day New England was caught cheating."

and then this gem of a portion:

"In explaining the differences in the fines in a recent conference call, the N.F.L.’s general counsel, Jeff Pash, offered a chilling indictment of the Patriots. He said the league believed the Denver episode was isolated and perpetrated by a single person who did not receive direction from a superior.

“You have a single incident as opposed to years of activity,” Pash said.

Years of activity."
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The lying and immorality he purports to expose of Belichick??????

This hypocrite just erased any journalistic credibility he might have.

New York Times? Mr. Rhoden? The secret is out. The story about what you did is now being widely reported. The ball is in your court.
 
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I've never seen anything like it. Once in a while a reporter will correct a fact and make note of it, but in this case he made wholesale changes to it, dropping whole sections and adding others in an effort to look a little less like a fool for talking about the Pats descent the day before they decimated the Jets.

But the article doesn't even make sense now - it lurches from the game to Spygate in a totally non-sensical way. His original point the day before was connecting Spygate to the Pats' going "retrograde", so when you remove the retrograde part because of the unfortunate 45-3 drubbing, it makes no sense to get into Spygate. This guy is a total incompetent ahole.
 
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I'd be worried about this if it involved a reputable media source. Since it's the New York Times, however, I take it for the joke that it is.

The National Enquirer is a more honest paper.

This!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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The important question is WHY the original story was pulled. We all think we have a good guess -- that its assumption about who would win turned out wrong -- but we really don't know.

If it was pulled because of the final score, that's weird for all the reasons mentioned.

It might have been pulled, though, for other reasons. Such as inaccuracies about the Broncos situation or the Pash conference call. That's a different matter. We really don't know. This would be different. If the NFL's lawyer called, this might be a different situation.

There is even another explanation that, frankly, to me makes the most sense. I believe it is possible that Rhoden wrote several versions of the same story, with the idea that which one the paper posted at the end of the day would depend on what the result was. There is nothing wrong with this. Well, there is a little bit -- most journalists say it is wrong if you imply that you are responding to actual events with things you wrote before the game. Someone got in trouble for that recently -- Bob Ryan? Tony Kornheiser. Don't remember. But that's different from saying, before a game, "If A happens, this will be my theme, and if B happens, this will be my theme, and I'll write a paragraph to insert about the actual result once the contest is over." My best guess is that this is exactly what happened here, and the story that got posted was Rhoden's if-the-Jets-win story, but it somehow accidentally got posted before the game.
 
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The important question is WHY the original story was pulled. We all think we have a good guess -- that its assumption about who would win turned out wrong -- but we really don't know.

If it was pulled because of the final score, that's weird for all the reasons mentioned.

It might have been pulled, though, for other reasons. Such as inaccuracies about the Broncos situation or the Pash conference call. That's a different matter. We really don't know. This would be different. If the NFL's lawyer called, this might be a different situation.

There is even another explanation that, frankly, to me makes the most sense. I believe it is possible that Rhoden wrote several versions of the same story, with the idea that which one the paper posted at the end of the day would depend on what the result was. There is nothing wrong with this. Well, there is a little bit -- most journalists say it is wrong if you imply that you are responding to actual events with things you wrote before the game. Someone got in trouble for that recently -- Bob Ryan? Tony Kornheiser. Don't remember. But that's different from saying, before a game, "If A happens, this will be my theme, and if B happens, this will be my theme, and I'll write a paragraph to insert about the actual result once the contest is over." My best guess is that this is exactly what happened here, and the story that got posted was Rhoden's if-the-Jets-win story, but it somehow accidentally got posted before the game.

Then all Rhoden and the NYT has to do is to come clean and explain that. They OWE THEIR READERS THE TRUTH. Simple as that.

This story was caught and brought to their attention over 12 hours ago - - and they put in an addendum talking about the "ONE" thing that they revised - - the number of Belichick's rings?????

That's a lie to cover-up - - which is far worse. They are digging themselves a bigger hole by how they are stonewalling with more fabrication.
 
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