Merged: Thoughts on picks/compensation for Moss

[The_Riddler]

We will be laughed at by Chilly, the Vikings and the entire league if all we get back is a 3rd round pick (low in Round 3 btw) that will probably end up a bust as our 3rd ROUND picks have sucked as we know..........

We laughed at Crazy Al for trading Moss to us for a 4 and now we will be laughed at by the entire league........

BB, don't do this for a 3, don't embarrass us.

Taylor Price and Brandon Tate as our starting WR's on the outside, OUCH !

 

[mcsully]

Re: Would Moss leaving via FA after 2010 get us 3rd rnd comp. pick?

The draft is still on regardless of if a new labor deal is done, so YES, Moss leaving at the end of the year would garner a comp pick (if the Pats don't go out and sign a few high priced free agents (yeah, like that is going to happen).

Last year, the Bengals lost Stacy Andrews and TJ Houshamazilli, and they got a 3rd and a 4th round comp picks!
NFL.com news: NFL gives 32 total compensatory draft picks to 19 teams

So the Pats would EASILY receive the same for losing Moss and Mankins!!

This is why trading him for a thrid round pick, and one that would be at the very edn of the thrid round to boot, makes absolutely no SENSE!!!!

Psst.. The day after the SB, the labor deal ends.. So if a new one is signed and the compensation for player movement is removed, then when Moss signed somewhere else, we would ZERO..

Plus as someone posted, a player with 10 years experience usually nets a 5th rounder

I agree, I'm not a fan of the trade but not because of how you are looking at it.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Re: Read this - it helps....double picks

How did the Pats get those picks, well they traded the 6th overall pick in the draft away and are still waiting over a year to get compensated for that.

They traded the 21st overall pick away for a a fourth round pick.

They robbed the Panthers blind, by trading away a worthless third round pick, for what is sure to be a high second round pick.

We picked a WR in the thrid round this year, you just don't remember, because he hasn't seen the field!!!!

How many picks do you need???

I have a funny feeling that this is more a fianancially motivated, than football motivated move. Let's face it, it is smart business if you know that there is going to be a lockout/labor strife, to load up on draft picks. The last thing done under the expiring CBA will be the 2011 draft. Teams will keep the rights to the players they draft regardless of any labor strife, but the teams will not sign any of these guys (which means no money going out the door, while no money is coming in) until a new CBA is done. So the less roster bonuses you have to pay while there is a work stoppage, the better off you are. If you figure that the Pats have 26 rookie/second year players on the roster right now, and if they give Moss away for another pick, and give Mankins away for another pick, they will have a ridiculous 12 more picks next year, that they would have control over, and would not have to pay a nickel to, until the CBA gets done (and money starts rolling in again).

 

[Willie55]

Re: Read this - it helps....double picks

YE of little faith..............

How soon you all forget!!

The guy is a malcontent now and surely gone after the season.

I trust in BB

We"ll see

He's a malcontent but the Pats need players, not draft picks. I'm sick of them stock piling picks.

 

[Willie55]

Re: Read this - it helps....double picks

How did the Pats get those picks, well they traded the 6th overall pick in the draft away and are still waiting over a year to get compensated for that.

They traded the 21st overall pick away for a a fourth round pick.

They robbed the Panthers blind, by trading away a worthless third round pick, for what is sure to be a high second round pick.

We picked a WR in the thrid round this year, you just don't remember, because he hasn't seen the field!!!!

How many picks do you need???

I have a funny feeling that this is more a fianancially motivated, than football motivated move. Let's face it, it is smart business if you know that there is going to be a lockout/labor strife, to load up on draft picks. The last thing done under the expiring CBA will be the 2011 draft. Teams will keep the rights to the players they draft regardless of any labor strife, but the teams will not sign any of these guys (which means no money going out the door, while no money is coming in) until a new CBA is done. So the less roster bonuses you have to pay while there is a work stoppage, the better off you are. If you figure that the Pats have 26 rookie/second year players on the roster right now, and if they give Moss away for another pick, and give Mankins away for another pick, they will have a ridiculous 12 more picks next year, that they would have control over, and would not have to pay a nickel to, until the CBA gets done (and money starts rolling in again).

During the work stoppage the players won't be paid.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: 3rd Round Pick History

In other words we haven't exactly lit it up in the 3rd round.

 

[Froob]

Re: Read this - it helps....double picks

How many of those picks are actually going to be select next year? Where are the pats priorities? Brady might not have many quality years left and it's going to take a few years for these players to develop. BB is a great coach and all but I'm not sure where this team is headed.

 

[Taxed in Maine]

Re: Would Moss leaving via FA after 2010 get us 3rd rnd comp. pick?

First of all it would be a comp pick in 2012. I doubt they would get a 3rd Comp anyway. A Vikes 2011 3rd is worth far more than a Comp pick in 2012.

Comp picks are not as valuable as normal picks regardless of round. They are untradeable. You HAVE to take a prospect in that spot.

Let's see, they gave a 4th to get him. Played him for 3 years and trade him for a third. And you guys are upset.

 

[IllegalContact]

Re: Read this - it helps....double picks

the team as is had little chance of going far in the playoffs

moss was not going to be a difference-maker in the playoffs......for the pats, he never was

 

[Badger]

Re: Read this - it helps....double picks

We now have double picks in each of the first FOUR rounds.

Our own

Oaklands -- 1

Carolina's -- 2

Minny's -- 3

Denver's -- 4

Hello rookie cap

Who cares? We won't use them. It will just be like every year. We will have a bunch of guys getting on year making their projections and getting all excited and then Belichick will trade down and down and down and then pick Devin MCourty. Only fools get excited about this stuff when it comes to the Pats.

 

[Timbo717]

Re: Read this - it helps....double picks

We now have double picks in each of the first FOUR rounds.

Our own

Oaklands -- 1

Carolina's -- 2

Minny's -- 3

Denver's -- 4

Hello rookie cap

Hopefully a couple of those guys contribute before the end of Brady's new contract.

 

[Badger]

Re: 3rd Round Pick History

In other words we haven't exactly lit it up in the 3rd round.

That is an understatement.

 

[WhiZa]

Re: Would Moss leaving via FA after 2010 get us 3rd rnd comp. pick?

Since this thread is about comp picks i am going to assume the new CBA will continue using them.

No one knows the comp pick formula, but it has something to do with contract and performance. There's a good chance Moss would excel in both those areas next year and I could easily see us getting a 4th round pick in 2012.

To me it's not worth it when you are 3-1 and already had 2 great drafts in a row and the Pats haven't had much luck with 3rd round picks in the recent past. BB must think the rest of the team can step up in his absence sending the fan base off bridges throughout NE.

 

[Urgent]

Re: 3rd Round Pick History

Brutal.
Depressing.

 

[ctpatsfan1]

Re: 3rd Round Pick History

That is an understatement.

Really why is that

Price - looks to be a future starter
Tate - need I say more the kid is contributing to wins now
McKenzie - is a development player time will tell
O'Connell - bust even though he is a Jet backup QB
Thomas- starting TE for the Saints (just because he isn't here doesn't mean he is a bust)
Hobbs - 3rd round is a good round for a nickle DB which is what he is with Philly
Kaczur - has been a starting RT for years
Scott - bust
Klecko - don't know what to call this one.
Davey - bust
Williams - bust
Redmond - partial bust


anything after rounds 1 and 2 are complete crap shoots in the draft. They may not have gotten any superstars in the picks they made but they had less busts than they did contributing players and players still in the league.

 

[363839]

Re: 3rd Round Pick History

Compensation aside, the man didn't want to be here anymore.
This only would have caused problems for team chemistry.
It sucks but we still have some good receivers on this team.
The third round pick could be used in a package for something else so you can look at it that way.

 

[Badger]

Re: 3rd Round Pick History

Really why is that

Price - looks to be a future starter
Tate - need I say more the kid is contributing to wins now
McKenzie - is a development player time will tell
O'Connell - bust even though he is a Jet backup QB
Thomas- starting TE for the Saints (just because he isn't here doesn't mean he is a bust)
Hobbs - 3rd round is a good round for a nickle DB which is what he is with Philly
Kaczur - has been a starting RT for years
Scott - bust
Klecko - don't know what to call this one.
Davey - bust
Williams - bust
Redmond - partial bust


anything after rounds 1 and 2 are complete crap shoots in the draft. They may not have gotten any superstars in the picks they made but they had less busts than they did contributing players and players still in the league.

How does Price look to be a future starter? That comment spoils the rest of this post. What gives you any indication that he is going to be a starter? He hasn't even been active yet. McKenzie has not shown anything and is not going to be an NFL starter either. I knew that someone would say that Thomas is a strarter with New Orleans and that is why I said there has been no value in these picks for the PATRIOTS. Also Shockey is the starter and not Thomas. Hobbs has no value to us either. Redmond was a total bust. Quit drinking the koolaid and look at this objectively. The only player who might contribute to us this year is Kaczur and that is if he comes back from injury and he certainly is no Pro Bowler anyway. Our 3rd round draft picks have flat out stunk!

 

[BadMoFo]

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There's something else to the trade besides a 3. Something minor, but something else.

Oh boy, probably another seventh rounder. Can't have enough of those.

 

[bucky]

Re: Would Moss leaving via FA after 2010 get us 3rd rnd comp. pick?

I think it's pretty obvious that this deal is not about acquiring the pick - like the Seymour deal was.

But if you want to compare apples to apples, you have to consider that BB's probably going to flip this pick for a 2012 2nd rounder. So you're getting a 2012 pick somewhere in the 40-55 range as opposed to pick 97 (that's a best case scenario which probably won't happen based on the knowledge acquired in some of the other posts here.)

 

[Rob0729]

The good thing about having all those picks next year

If there is a rookie salary cap by the draft (or at least it looks like with a new CBA it is a done deal), the Pats will have a lot of ammunition to have possibly 3-4 first rounders or two picks in the top 10 of the draft.

You hear Felger and Mazz biatch every day about the Pats drafting for value. But with a rookie salary cap, drafting for value gets turned on its ear. Without $50 million worth of guarantees, the number one pick in the draft is a great value. If the new CBA significantly limits what a rookie can get even in the top ten, I expect the Pats to package picks to move up to get a potential immediate impact franchise player or two. The Raiders' pick looks right now to be a top 5 and they might be able to get another top ten pick (or possibly two or at least another top 10 and a top 20) with all the additional picks they have.

I know we are talking months down the road and uncertainty with the CBA. but the moves the Pats have made to get two draft picks in each of the first four rounds could pay off quite a bit. Gotta look at the silver lining in things.