Know what really grinds my gears?

[Armchair Quarterback]

I'm too old for a menstrual cycle...but I DO wear Depends...:bricks:

Thank you for sharing that

 

[ausbacker]

Everyone knows that this team is going to be a good side. They might not be a dominant side until an effective and consistent pass rush is found but that's beside the point.

Pre-season discussion is always there as is reactionary comment. What gripes me is the know it all jerk off brigade who come in pointing the chicken little or homer adjectives whilst sitting on the fence reacting like pompous pricks.

We all love the Patriots and the Jets suck.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Thank you. I will keep this in my scrapbook of congratulatory messages.

Excellent, glad I could help.

 

[Ron Sellers]

My advice is to simply avoid this or any other football-related message board for 48 hours after a loss by the Pats.

 

[Patjew]

Gronk!!!!!

 

[Water Boy]

You'd make a great pop warner coach or a little league coach. And don't forget to bring the orange slices and Capri Suns.

It's a messageboard for crying out loud!

Good one. I'm an assistant coach for my 6 year old son's flag football team. ; )

 

[vyrago]

Hyperbole - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know this is a message board intended for people to spout their unabashed opinions (as I am doing now), but in this one man's humble opinion the hyperbole and knee jerk reactions thrown around on this board turn Patsfans.com into a morass of ******ed commentary.

O.K., when you're right, you're right, but no way am I taking back my opinion of Ron Borges. It's the day after and the memory of his slimy face is still making me nauseous.

 

[Mainefan]

Just keep one thing in mind and you'll be fine. When someone discovers The Truth, you can be pretty sure they're wrong.

 

[Off The Grid]

Does this mean we're not doomed?

I hope so, because I don't know if we are doomed because Brace may be lost for the season, or if we are doomed because we wasted a draft pick on him.

Things change pretty fast around here.

Well, to be honest with you, Crime...I have a strong sense that we're going to be a very soft 12-4 or so, this year: An efficient team that plays hard every week, with an Offense that is so powerfull that we beat up on most of the teams we meet, during the regular season...But I think this year's team is fatally flawed, and that that will very likely manifest itself, come the PlayOffs.

Up The Middle, our Defense is FRIGHTENING: Wilfork, Mayo, Spikes, Chung, and Merriweather.

And our Corners are looking potentially AWESOME.

***

But I believe that the few teams with high caliber O Lines can KILL us, once we reach the playoffs: While we have a bevy of Defensive Ends who can rush the Passer pretty well, it seems to me that NONE of them have what it takes, at this point, to hold up against the Run...which scares the CRAP out'f me.

And of course this problem ~ as I perceive it ~ is DRAMATICALLY exacerbated by a crop of OLBs who're not particularly established in this system. Cain is the only exception, and he is NOT noted for his Edge Setting skills.

In short, we are weak against the Run at RDE, LDE, ROLB, AND LOLB.

Unless that changes by the end of the season ~ mind you: I don't think that's out of the question ~ then I see us having a VERY hard time beating the Colts, the Ravens, or the Fish, come January.

***

Is there ANY cause for hope, in my view? A SCRAP.

For one thing, Cunningham and Ninkovich both seem to possess the Fusion of Strength and Speed requisite to succeed at their positions. They COULD reach a point, in time for the playoffs, where they've taken sufficient command of their talents to play effectively, at which point they could at least buttress what I expect to be a D Line with weak Rush Edges...And as for the Line, itself, it's not out of the question that Deaderick could be a BIG part of the Run Defense, by year's end. I've got a REALLY good feeling about this guy.

 

[Off The Grid]

I sympathize with a lot of what you wrote in your post, but keep in mind that this isn't exactly the Algonquin Round Table-- it's an internet sports messageboard.

Beautifull!!

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

It's amazing how you have all synchronized your menstrual cycles to happen at the same time. Congatulations to you all.

Exactly. This is a football message board for goodness sake; we are supposed to be opinionated and judgmental. It is supposed to be fun.

Would you prefer carefully measured and articulated and politically correct arguments meant to not offend or draw hasty conclusions (or any conclusions). Bah. Go listen to some candidates for school committee if you like that stuff.

As far as the Algonquin round table I am partial to Dorothy Parker:

Bring on the premature misguided player assessments! I want to hear more stuff like: "Butler is overrated; McGowan and Sander have regressed; Wilhite is the toastmaster; Chung cannot cover; the Patriots are doomed"

 

[Off The Grid]

Exactly. This is a football message board for goodness sake; we are supposed to be opinionated and judgmental. It is supposed to be fun.

Would you prefer carefully measured and articulated and politically correct arguments meant to not offend or draw hasty conclusions (or any conclusions). Bah. Go listen to some candidates for school committee if you like that stuff.

As far as the Algonquin round table I am partial to Dorothy Parker:

Bring on the premature misguided player assessments! I want to hear more stuff like: "Butler is overrated; McGowan and Sander have regressed; Wilhite is the toastmaster; Chung cannot cover; the Patriots are doomed"

BRAVO, Brother Fred!! BRAVO!!

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I know this is a message board intended for people to spout their unabashed opinions (as I am doing now), but in this one man's humble opinion the hyperbole and knee jerk reactions thrown around on this board turn Patsfans.com into a morass of ******ed commentary.

For example:

3 weeks ago, Brace was a fat ass B-U-S-T, now after one good bull-rush on a passing down against the Rams the fate of our D-line hangs in the balance of his MRI

Based on one game, 2nd year rookie Darius Butler has gone from a potential 1A corner to a defensive liability

After 3 preseason games in 2010, one of our favorite whipping boys in 2008 and 2009, Terrence Wheatley suddenly "gets it"

In one thread I read, Eric Alexander, a special teams ace since 2006, was described as simply not a good football player

Mike Wright a solid DE SUCKS because he's not Richard Seymour. TBC SUCKS because he's not the second coming of Demarcus Ware. Its not ok to be good at your position as part of an 11 man defense or offense, you're either awesome, or you suck.

Conversely, once a player has reached superstar status (i.e. Brady, Wilfork) it seems they are beyond reproach.

IMO this message board would be a whole lot better if people would refrain from extreme black and white opinions based on one game or one play.

Instead of Eric Alexander is a terrible football player, how about Eric Alexander is a serviceable special teams player, but not someone I'd like to see getting reps at ILB because...(insert thoughtful comment supporting your argument here based on your observations).

Just one man's opinion.

This is hilarious but you have to take 90% of what you read her with a grain of salt, most of it is fanatic fans venting.

 

[patsox23]

Couldn't agree more, but would like to defend my own hyperbole re Alexander. He's awful - not based on a preseason game or two, but on years of watching hin stink. A serviceable STs guy, I guess, but I'm DONE watching him take up a roster spot.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

It wouldn't grind your gears if you just take it for what it is - a variety of opinions by a variety of fans. I've known from my experience here which posters to take seriously and which ones not so much and honestly it makes reading the forums, especially the game threads, alot better. There's not a single poster on my ignore list or on my 'wish to be banned' list.

If you take the right approach, reading the game threads during a bad game like Thursday's can be one of the more entertaining portions of the day and not in the least bit aggravating.

 

[Pewsterbaby]

Well, to be honest with you, Crime...I have a strong sense that we're going to be a very soft 12-4 or so, this year: An efficient team that plays hard every week, with an Offense that is so powerfull that we beat up on most of the teams we meet, during the regular season...But I think this year's team is fatally flawed, and that that will very likely manifest itself, come the PlayOffs.

Up The Middle, our Defense is FRIGHTENING: Wilfork, Mayo, Spikes, Chung, and Merriweather.

And our Corners are looking potentially AWESOME.

***

But I believe that the few teams with high caliber O Lines can KILL us, once we reach the playoffs: While we have a bevy of Defensive Ends who can rush the Passer pretty well, it seems to me that NONE of them have what it takes, at this point, to hold up against the Run...which scares the CRAP out'f me.

And of course this problem ~ as I perceive it ~ is DRAMATICALLY exacerbated by a crop of OLBs who're not particularly established in this system. Cain is the only exception, and he is NOT noted for his Edge Setting skills.

In short, we are weak against the Run at RDE, LDE, ROLB, AND LOLB.

Unless that changes by the end of the season ~ mind you: I don't think that's out of the question ~ then I see us having a VERY hard time beating the Colts, the Ravens, or the Fish, come January.

A hard time beating The Dolphins in the playoffs? You're worried about getting past The Colts, Ravens,... & Dolphins?

Huh? Wazzat?
Must be one of those 3rd grade things when they give you 3 pictures of sumpthin' and ask you "Now, which one doesn't belong alongside the other two?"

The only way The Pats are EVER gonna face The Dolphins in the playoffs in January is if you get into a time machine and go back to the January of 1986.

Holy crap. Worried about getting past Miami come playoff time. That one sure came outta left field this morning. Must be hallucinating from the hangover.

 

[Kontradiction]

You bring up a couple of good points. Unfortunately, the extreme homers are almost as bad as the extreme chicken littles.

Hyperbole - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know this is a message board intended for people to spout their unabashed opinions (as I am doing now), but in this one man's humble opinion the hyperbole and knee jerk reactions thrown around on this board turn Patsfans.com into a morass of ******ed commentary.

No disagreement here.

For example:

3 weeks ago, Brace was a fat ass B-U-S-T, now after one good bull-rush on a passing down against the Rams the fate of our D-line hangs in the balance of his MRI

I don't think Ron Brace is going to be our savior. Of course, there's still the other DE position that needs to be taken care of, even if he does pan out and become a solid starting LDE for us. However, those of us who are high on him (not overly high, as some here seem to be. Ironically, these are many of the same people who were calling him a fat tub of goo a week ago), saw more than just one successful bull rush against a single blocker. We saw him consistently get push into the backfield to at least make the passer a bit more uncomfortable than he was with Gerard Warren in. We also saw him do something that Warren was incapable of doing: stopping the run to his side more often than not and demanding double teams. It's possible that he was only having a good night but let's look at it: the man trimmed down big time in the offseason and seems to be ready to play some ball.

Personally, if I'm BB, I look at what we have at DE right now, hold him out of the last preseason game to let his ankle heal if I have to, and throw him in against the Bengals.

Based on one game, 2nd year rookie Darius Butler has gone from a potential 1A corner to a defensive liability

I had my hopes for Butler, but this confuses me. Are you impressed by Butler's preseason play?

After 3 preseason games in 2010, one of our favorite whipping boys in 2008 and 2009, Terrence Wheatley suddenly "gets it"

My best guess is that it's because he looks better than Wilhite at this point. I've never been high on Wilhite and his preseason play so far hasn't done anything to change my mind. But I don't see why people are creaming their pants over Wheatley either. I want to see him consistently with the ones before I make up my mind on him.

In one thread I read, Eric Alexander, a special teams ace since 2006, was described as simply not a good football player

Not sure where you saw this. If they were saying that he's simply not a good starter, then I agree with those people. However, if they were saying he's a bad football player as a whole, then I disagree. He is what he is: a back-up getting a roster spot because of what he brings to special teams.

Mike Wright a solid DE SUCKS because he's not Richard Seymour.

I agree. Saying Wright sucks is taking it too far. He doesn't suck. He's an excellent pass rushing defensive linemen for us. He's just a liability against the run is all.

TBC SUCKS because he's not the second coming of Demarcus Ware. Its not ok to be good at your position as part of an 11 man defense or offense, you're either awesome, or you suck.

Can you point out where you saw people saying that TBC sucks? I haven't seen that, and would love to disagree with that person about that stance.

Conversely, once a player has reached superstar status (i.e. Brady, Wilfork) it seems they are beyond reproach.

I've seen plenty of people here, either justly or unjustly, criticize Brady and Wilfork.

IMO this message board would be a whole lot better if people would refrain from extreme black and white opinions based on one game or one play.

No disagreement here. I think it's a shame how people are already beginning to start in on Cunningham just because the guy's been injured and hasn't been able to take a snap. Let the guy see the field before you make decisions on him either way.

 

[MustaphaM0nd]

Well, to be honest with you, Crime...I have a strong sense that we're going to be a very soft 12-4 or so, this year: An efficient team that plays hard every week, with an Offense that is so powerfull that we beat up on most of the teams we meet, during the regular season...But I think this year's team is fatally flawed, and that that will very likely manifest itself, come the PlayOffs.

Up The Middle, our Defense is FRIGHTENING: Wilfork, Mayo, Spikes, Chung, and Merriweather.

And our Corners are looking potentially AWESOME.

***

But I believe that the few teams with high caliber O Lines can KILL us, once we reach the playoffs: While we have a bevy of Defensive Ends who can rush the Passer pretty well, it seems to me that NONE of them have what it takes, at this point, to hold up against the Run...which scares the CRAP out'f me.

And of course this problem ~ as I perceive it ~ is DRAMATICALLY exacerbated by a crop of OLBs who're not particularly established in this system. Cain is the only exception, and he is NOT noted for his Edge Setting skills.

In short, we are weak against the Run at RDE, LDE, ROLB, AND LOLB.

Unless that changes by the end of the season ~ mind you: I don't think that's out of the question ~ then I see us having a VERY hard time beating the Colts, the Ravens, or the Fish, come January.

***

Is there ANY cause for hope, in my view? A SCRAP.

For one thing, Cunningham and Ninkovich both seem to possess the Fusion of Strength and Speed requisite to succeed at their positions. They COULD reach a point, in time for the playoffs, where they've taken sufficient command of their talents to play effectively, at which point they could at least buttress what I expect to be a D Line with weak Rush Edges...And as for the Line, itself, it's not out of the question that Deaderick could be a BIG part of the Run Defense, by year's end. I've got a REALLY good feeling about this guy.

Totally off topic, but this is the most dramatic post I've ever seen on a message board. Which is a compliment

 

[Brady2Welker]

Totally off topic, but this is the most dramatic post I've ever seen on a message board. Which is a compliment

It's painful to read.

 

[Water Boy]

Exactly. This is a football message board for goodness sake; we are supposed to be opinionated and judgmental. It is supposed to be fun.

Would you prefer carefully measured and articulated and politically correct arguments meant to not offend or draw hasty conclusions...

Fred, I loath politcal correctness. My point isn 't don't be critical. My point is be critical, but give us your reason as to why you are critical.

Bring on the premature misguided player assessments! I want to hear more stuff like: "Butler is overrated; McGowan and Sander have regressed; Wilhite is the toastmaster; Chung cannot cover; the Patriots are doomed"

This type of commentary is hollow bull****. Reference your observations of specific games or specific plays is all I am saying.