Ninkovich and Crable

[patsfan-1982]

here is my take on crable IMO he has not been hurt bad a nuff to be put on IR in back to back years he played in the last preseason game in both years so did he realy get hurt bad a nuff to get put on IR in TC two years a row ? maybe maybe not.


but any way BB must see something in him if he is still here 1 he may want him to beef up to 260lbs or pick up the system better. it would be nice to see him play a few sanps but i am not counting on him.



Ninkovich, IMO woods, is a better LB then him and we all know woods is noting great just good dept



if they do sign a vet or JAG or trade for one it will be later in the season like last year with burgess, and they will not have a nuff time to pick up the system and make any kind of impact


bottom line it's all on Jermaine Cunningham, if he can't get it done as a rookie then they will rotat a lot of JAG's untill they find the right mix.

 

[patchick]

I'm willing to bet a significant amount of money that the number of threads started by mgteich with the word "Crable" in the title will be higher than the number of regular season snaps Shawn Crable takes for the Patriots in his career.

I'd be shocked if Crable plays this season.

I'd be absolutely shocked if Crable even makes it through training camp. He'll either get cut, or he'll literally get cut (by a piece of paper) and get IR'ed.

Wow. So do you guys have special medical knowledge of Crable's condition that you're not sharing, or have you just decided that being injured is some kind of irredeemable character flaw?

I have no clue whether Crable's any good, but I'm not ready to toss him out with the garbage yet. After all, there's a 7-year starter on the roster who spent his first 2 seasons on IR before that.

 

[Marqui]

While I agree with a lot of the posts you make, you're the one who called him "useless on the field 90 percent of the time." So I'm not sure how much credibility you have on this particular evaluation.

I'll admit when I said "useless on the field 90 percent of the time," I was more referring to Nink/Woods and I kind of lumped TBC in there. TBC is definitely better than Nink or Woods. But I still firmly believe this team will never be a serious contender as long as TBC is their best OLB.

 

[emoney_33]

I'll admit when I said "useless on the field 90 percent of the time," I was more referring to Nink/Woods and I kind of lumped TBC in there. TBC is definitely better than Nink or Woods. But I still firmly believe this team will never be a serious contender as long as TBC is their best OLB.

They were a serious contender last year with TBC easily their best OLB (with relatively crappy play form the other OLB). I'm extremely confident in this team's ability to win with TBC starting at one of the 2 OLB positions.

 

[Kontradiction]

I have no clue whether Crable's any good, but I'm not ready to toss him out with the garbage yet. After all, there's a 7-year starter on the roster who spent his first 2 seasons on IR before that.

And would you say that he's the rule or the exception? The chances of making it in the NFL after spending your first coupe of years on IR are pretty slim. A few have succeeded, many more have not. With Crable, I'm hoping for the best (that he starts and contributes) but expecting the worst (he either goes on IR again or gets cut).

 

[Yehoodi]

Don't forget the 0-5 front we threw in a few games this past season. We were in dime with all LB's.

I still have remember and loved when BB ran his defense with no down linemen back in 04-05. He had the LBs at the time to do it . . . it was great to see a bunch of guys standing around the line of scrimmage and and the announcers say "OMG, BB pulled out another one, he has no down linemen"

 

[patriotscpfc]

Cousins,

How long until DW Toys brings up trading for Ray Edwards?

On a serious note, i'd be tempted to see if Greg Ellis has anything at all left in the tank. If he doesn't i'd give Burgess another year.

We need some sort of competition in Training Camp for a spot on the roster.

 

[bucky]

Wow. So do you guys have special medical knowledge of Crable's condition that you're not sharing, or have you just decided that being injured is some kind of irredeemable character flaw?

I have no clue whether Crable's any good, but I'm not ready to toss him out with the garbage yet. After all, there's a 7-year starter on the roster who spent his first 2 seasons on IR before that.

In my case, I was taking the opportunity to poke at mg, more so than at Crable. Because even if Crable becomes a starter, MG might still beat him in the number of posts.

However, since you asked about Crable, I will tell you what I think, which is based partially on fact, partially on what I've seen, and partially is an educated guess:

Crable's injuries were not of the season-ending type either year. Had Crable been a full-time starter, I'm 99% certain he would not have ended up on the IR with the injuries he had. The first year, Crable never made it on the active roster and was put on IR due to roster needs at other positions. The second year, he showed nothing in TC, missed the final 2 pre-season games with a hammy, and BB put him on the IR because the only alternative was waving him outright. So we know this:

1) He can't get on the field when healthy.
2) As soon as he does get on the field, he pulls a hammy.
3) His ability to recover from injuries is not exactly the stuff of legends.

 

[spacecrime]

I'm willing to bet a significant amount of money that the number of threads started by mgteich with the word "Crable" in the title will be higher than the number of regular season snaps Shawn Crable takes for the Patriots in his career. Any takers?

Don't underestimate MG's ability to throw up Crable-related threads. I can count 3 off the top of my head in the last couple of weeks - all having some sort of "Crable and Woods", "Crable, Ninkovich and Woods", "Crable and McKenzie", "Crable vs. Vrabel", etc.

Right now, mg is waay ahead of Crable already. And Crable's been around for 2 years!

You underestimate how long a player's career can be. Also, you didn't answer how much is a significant amount of money. Or don't you believe what you said? Put up or shut up, as they say....

 

[bucky]

Cousins,

How long until DW Toys brings up trading for Ray Edwards?

Hey cousin, that's not funny. You almost made me skip your post after the first word.

On a serious note, i'd be tempted to see if Greg Ellis has anything at all left in the tank. If he doesn't i'd give Burgess another year.

We need some sort of competition in Training Camp for a spot on the roster.

Hey, this is cross-contamination of threads. Isn't there a separate thread for Ellis and Burgess? Oh, that's right, I forgot that every time there is a thread about OLBs, a new thread with the word "Crable" in the title must be started!

 

[PatsFanStnfrd]

Wow. So do you guys have special medical knowledge of Crable's condition that you're not sharing, or have you just decided that being injured is some kind of irredeemable character flaw?

I have no clue whether Crable's any good, but I'm not ready to toss him out with the garbage yet. After all, there's a 7-year starter on the roster who spent his first 2 seasons on IR before that.

That's telling them!

 

[bucky]

You underestimate how long a player's career can be. Also, you didn't answer how much is a significant amount of money. Or don't you believe what you said? Put up or shut up, as they say....

Best case scenario for me - Crable pulls his hammy in TC, BB puts him on IR again, mg puts up 10 more threads with "Crable" in the title.

Any amount of money is significant to me. What sum of money are you thinking of?

btw, if Crable does actually get on the field, someone is going to have to count all the "Crable" threads over the past 2 years started by mg. I'm sure it's a full game's worth of snaps.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

The patriots usually engage in at least a couple of player trades a year. Last year, we traded for Burgess and Smith and traded away Seymour.

Sure, but the Pats didn't trade for anybody significant.

 

[mgteich]

We traded a 3rd and a 5th for a player who p[layed half of the defensive reps. Just because we didn't like his quality of play doesn't mean that he wasn't significant.

When we trade a 5th for Alex Smith, he was expected to play a significant role int he 2009 offense. It didn't work out; so this year we were using draft picks for tight ends again.

Perhaps trades haven't worked out well for us. They are still ways that the patriots plug holes after the draft.

Sure, but the Pats didn't trade for anybody significant.

 

[spacecrime]

Best case scenario for me - Crable pulls his hammy in TC, BB puts him on IR again, mg puts up 10 more threads with "Crable" in the title.

Any amount of money is significant to me. What sum of money are you thinking of?

btw, if Crable does actually get on the field, someone is going to have to count all the "Crable" threads over the past 2 years started by mg. I'm sure it's a full game's worth of snaps.

You didn't say a game. You said snaps in regular season games over his career with the Patriots. Bad bet all around as you can't win for years because Crable could always get cut, play with Ratgini for 8 years, then come back to the Pats, much as TBC's Patriots career didn't end when he left for the 49ers.

But how about if the loser sends a couple hundred bucks to the Bread of Life Soup Kitchen and Food Pantry.
Home

Help a good cause.

 

[condon84]

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[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

We traded a 3rd and a 5th for a player who played half of the defensive reps. Just because we didn't like his quality of play doesn't mean that he wasn't significant.

His best years were behind him and you were sorely mistaken to think he was going to be the missing link to the Pats pass rush. I thought the trade was worth a shot before I found out they gave up a 3rd and a 5th. I think even the Raiders were shocked the Pats were willing to give up a 3rd for him.

When we trade a 5th for Alex Smith, he was expected to play a significant role int he 2009 offense. It didn't work out; so this year we were using draft picks for tight ends again.

Wow, you have high expectations for player that was traded for a 5th rounder. Ditto with Greg Lewis. I didn't expect either of them to make the team and they didn't.

Perhaps trades haven't worked out well for us. They are still ways that the patriots plug holes after the draft.

So what do you mean when you say "plug holes?" Unless the Pats can pull off a madden trade, they will not fix be able to fix the problems with the pass rush unless a miracle happens where Crable and Cunningham produce. In addition, I highly doubt there will be a WR available that will be good enough to start opposite of Moss.

Again, they may trade for players, but it won't be anything significant(production wise).

 

[mgteich]

I apologize. I often forget the rather weird prespective some have.

You are defining "significant" and "Filling holes" in a way that the acquisition of Holt and the drafting of Price is not enough to fill the hole at wide receiver.

If that is the case, then, of course, signifcant OLB's and DE's will be unavailable.
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. In addition, I highly doubt there will be a WR available that will be good enough to start opposite of Moss.

Again, they may trade for players, but it won't be anything significant(production wise).

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

I apologize. I often forget the rather weird prespective some have.

It's not weird, it's how people misunderstand the term "depth" or how you put it, "filling holes". However, what was weird was when you created a ton of threads stating the Pats were "set" at most positions before the draft.

You are defining "significant" and "Filling holes" in a way that the acquisition of Holt and the drafting of Price is not enough to fill the hole at wide receiver.

Listen, if you think the Pats are set at WR because they signed Holt and drafted Price, you should sit down and talk with someone. Edelman showed some promise, but he has a lot to learn. And who the hell knows what Tate is going to do next season. While Moss had 1,000 yards last season, his skills are declining quickly.

If that is the case, then, of course, signifcant OLB's and DE's will be unavailable.

Please name someone who you think could make a significant impact on the Pats right now that might be available for trade?

 

[ALP]

It's not weird, it's how people misunderstand the term "depth" or how you put it, "filling holes". However, what was weird was when you created a ton of threads stating the Pats were "set" at most positions before the draft.

Listen, if you think the Pats are set at WR because they signed Holt and drafted Price, you should sit down and talk with someone. Edelman showed some promise, but he has a lot to learn. And who the hell knows what Tate is going to do next season. While Moss had 1,000 yards last season, his skills are declining quickly.

Please name someone who you think could make a significant impact on the Pats right now that might be available for trade?

WR is good.....for this year....

come next years FA, WR will be a need once again, thats not MY definition of "set" but to each his own