OT: Browns expected to cut ties with Stallworth

[Kontradiction]

It's not an accident to get drunk and then drive a car. Yes, the man who was killed darted out into the street and was killed..but the fact remains, Stallworth was driving drunk when it happened, and had the family of the victum pressed charges instead of taking the money, he would be in jail.

Stallworth's blood alcohol content at the time was .12. For someone of his size, the amounts to approximately 4 drinks. There are millions of people in this world (including me) who have had 3 to 4 beers at dinner with someone else and then went out and drove home. What happened to Stallworth sucks... badly. Because it could really happen to anybody. And, if you still aren't convinced of his relative sobriety, then I suggest you listed to his 911 phone call. I want you to do that and then come back and tell me that you've never had a few drinks and then driven anywhere in your life (which I'm sure you will ).

 

[JoeSixPat]

They let him go even prior to the car accident, so I'm not sure why there would be any expectation of him returning after all that's happened.

As I seem to recall, Stallworth's $6 million 2008 salary might have played some small role in that decision as well. You forgot to mention that.

Stallworth was signed before Moss and at the time, most of us knew that Stallworth would really have to blow everyone away to make the contract anything more than a One and Done. Obviously he didn't come close to earning $6 million....

Interestingly this year you've heard some commentary that Moss' production was significantly impacted by the lack of another deep threat WR - that was my contention in 2007 as well, when I thought Stallworth could have been better used to take advantage of the double coverage Moss was pulling.

Whether Stallworth still had the skill to serve that role was questionable at the time - and injuries and the manslaughter charge prevented us from seeing the answer to that in 2008 and 2009 as well.

In 2010 after all of that I'm officially doubtful he's still got the speed to serve in that role but I don't have a problem seeing him get a tryout, manslaughter charge notwithstanding.

 

[Deus Irae]

As I seem to recall, Stallworth's $6 million 2008 salary might have played some small role in that decision as well. You forgot to mention that.

I didn't mention it because it's irrelevant.

Stallworth was signed before Moss and at the time, most of us knew that Stallworth would really have to blow everyone away to make the contract anything more than a One and Done. Obviously he didn't come close to earning $6 million....

Given that he'd lost his spot to Gaffney, there's no question about it.

Interestingly this year you've heard some commentary that Moss' production was significantly impacted by the lack of another deep threat WR - that was my contention in 2007 as well, when I thought Stallworth could have been better used to take advantage of the double coverage Moss was pulling.

Gaffney beat out Stallworth for the WR2 spot in 2007, which put a damper on the "deep threat" claims, the team had an excellent 2008 year with Gaffney rather than your preferred "deep threat", and the team seemed to pretty clearly shut the door on the notion of that "deep threat" when it cut Galloway this year. It's not a 'deep threat' that's needed for optimal offensive efficiency, it's someone who can threaten the medium zone of the field. It's a simple matter of geometry.

As I've stated to you before, pretty much every player in the NFL is capable of running deep and forcing teams to put someone on him to prevent touchdowns. One could line up Wilfork and send him downfield in a fly pattern, and he'll take a defender with him. Having a "deep threat" would be fine, but it's having a player who can force defenders to pay attention to the area of the field between Welker's routes and Moss' routes that is most important, and we saw that this year.

Whether Stallworth still had the skill to serve that role was questionable at the time - and injuries and the manslaughter charge prevented us from seeing the answer to that in 2008 and 2009 as well.

In 2010 after all of that I'm officially doubtful he's still got the speed to serve in that role but I don't have a problem seeing him get a tryout, manslaughter charge notwithstanding.

I don't have a problem with him getting a tryout either. That was clearly not the point of my post.

 

[captain stone]

Stallworth's blood alcohol content at the time was .12. For someone of his size, the amounts to approximately 4 drinks. There are millions of people in this world (including me) who have had 3 to 4 beers at dinner with someone else and then went out and drove home. What happened to Stallworth sucks... badly. Because it could really happen to anybody. And, if you still aren't convinced of his relative sobriety, then I suggest you listed to his 911 phone call. I want you to do that and then come back and tell me that you've never had a few drinks and then driven anywhere in your life (which I'm sure you will ).

Word...

If Stallworth were to be released today and signed tomorrow, he would already become our 3rd WR. If he's willing to sign for the vet minimum, then I'm more than all for it.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I didn't mention it because it's irrelevant.



Given that he'd lost his spot to Gaffney, there's no question about it.



Gaffney beat out Stallworth for the WR2 spot in 2007, which put a damper on the "deep threat" claims, the team had an excellent 2008 year with Gaffney rather than your preferred "deep threat", and the team seemed to pretty clearly shut the door on the notion of that "deep threat" when it cut Galloway this year. It's not a 'deep threat' that's needed for optimal offensive efficiency, it's someone who can threaten the medium zone of the field. It's a simple matter of geometry.

As I've stated to you before, pretty much every player in the NFL is capable of running deep and forcing teams to put someone on him to prevent touchdowns. One could line up Wilfork and send him downfield in a fly pattern, and he'll take a defender with him. Having a "deep threat" would be fine, but it's having a player who can force defenders to pay attention to the area of the field between Welker's routes and Moss' routes that is most important, and we saw that this year.



I don't have a problem with him getting a tryout either. That was clearly not the point of my post.

In 2007, Stallworth was the best receiver in space. He was also the preferred receiver for bubble screen type plays The reality is that Welker really became Welker without him.

He may still have the speed to stretch the field. The more pertinent question would be if he overlap in Welker's role.

 

[D-Money]

Same Bull.Adress the wr situation through the draft.I dont want Stallworth!

 

[BradyFixesEverything]

Please sign the man. Pay the man. Whatever!!! Give Brady weapons please.

 

[Deus Irae]

In 2007, Stallworth was the best receiver in space. He was also the preferred receiver for bubble screen type plays The reality is that Welker really became Welker without him.

He may still have the speed to stretch the field. The more pertinent question would be if he overlap in Welker's role.

Welker's been the team's "best receiver in space" ever since his arrival. He had 112 catches in 13 games in 2007. It's pretty clear that Stallworth was irrelevant to Welker becoming Welker.

 

[oldskool138]

Stallworth's blood alcohol content at the time was .12. For someone of his size, the amounts to approximately 4 drinks. There are millions of people in this world (including me) who have had 3 to 4 beers at dinner with someone else and then went out and drove home. What happened to Stallworth sucks... badly. Because it could really happen to anybody. And, if you still aren't convinced of his relative sobriety, then I suggest you listed to his 911 phone call. I want you to do that and then come back and tell me that you've never had a few drinks and then driven anywhere in your life (which I'm sure you will ).

People I've killed while driving home after having 4 beers - 0
People Dante Stallworth has killed while driving home after having 4 beers - 1

I rest my case...

 

[vyrago]

And he wasn't much of a downfield threat because he wasn't much of a route runner. In this system ultimately sloppy route runners provide diminishing returns. Early on he had some exciting YAC.

But Brady relies on his targets to be where they are supposed to be or after a while he stops looking for them.

Isn't this also very true of Manning.
Favre can make good use of "in the general vicinity" receivers, but they and his just-go-deep style usually make the team pay at the most crucial times.

 

[mgteich]

Why is an immediate #3 (and more probably #2) receiver only worth a vet minimum?

Word...

If Stallworth were to be released today and signed tomorrow, he would already become our 3rd WR. If he's willing to sign for the vet minimum, then I'm more than all for it.

 

[BradyManny]

Stallworth's blood alcohol content at the time was .12. For someone of his size, the amounts to approximately 4 drinks. There are millions of people in this world (including me) who have had 3 to 4 beers at dinner with someone else and then went out and drove home. What happened to Stallworth sucks... badly. Because it could really happen to anybody. And, if you still aren't convinced of his relative sobriety, then I suggest you listed to his 911 phone call. I want you to do that and then come back and tell me that you've never had a few drinks and then driven anywhere in your life (which I'm sure you will ).

I generally agree with your larger point, though I do think you are stretching it a little bit. I think most people are more careful and responsible than Stallworth - he still was "legally" drunk, whether or not he really was. He, of all people as an NFL player, could find other means to get home.

That said, I agree with the larger point that it isn't something that would prevent an NFL team from signing him because it is somewhat understandable.

As for the Patriots specifically, I'd be OK with seeing him back. But that's just me. I probably would've rather had a clueless Joey Galloway running go routes than a talentless, speedless Aiken doing the same. For all the talk about the complexities of this offense, by the end of the season, based on the way defenses were playing us, a huge component of our offense was just sending the #3 wideout down the sideline. Outside of the one spectacular catch Aiken made, we saw mostly drops, and even some passes resulting in interceptions. Most of them were decently thrown balls, or the type of catches that an NFL receiver should make.

 

[cardiak]

First of all, a family has absolutely no say in pressing charges in a DUI fatality that's completely up to the DA to decide. And the reason Stallworth got of relatively light is because there was a traffic camera that showed that Reyes was crossing the road at a point where it was dimly lit with no crosswalk and then suddenly "darted" in front of Stallworths Bentley as it passed by. Now whether this was just an attempt to get rich by being hit by someone driving an expensive Bentley or perhaps just a terrible decission to try and out run a car thinking he was superman was up to the judge. This case would of also been immediately thrown out if stallworth didn't have alcohol in his system when this happened but since he did the judge had to give some type of punishment which is why he got off so easy.

BTW, in case your wondering where this video is. It has been sealed from public view at the request of Reyes family and by order of judge Dennis Murphy who ruled in their favor to keep the video locked up for their privacy concerns.

 

[oldskool138]

This case would of also been immediately thrown out if stallworth didn't have alcohol in his system when this happened but since he did the judge had to give some type of punishment which is why he got off so easy.

So why did he pay the family if it would have been thrown out had he not had alcohol in his system?

 

[Lansdowne]

Very disappointed in Stallworth for his DUI. But like many others, I appreciated his time with the Patriots. He made some big plays for us, most notably the 4th quarter strike from Brady to give the Pats a crucial first down against Indy.

I don't see the Pats bringing him back, but I wouldn't be opposed to it.

 

[cardiak]

Because he still technically killed someone and if he went to "Civil" court the burden of proof is astronomically lower so he was going to lose money. This is why rich people make settlements to stay out of civil court. Because they can win in a criminal court where you have to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt unlike a civil court where a judge can feel sorry for a family and order you to pay them 100 billion dollars and fill their new swimming pool with your salty tears.

Example: OJ found not guilty of murder in criminal court
OJ found responsible for her death in civil court and ordered to pay her parents a bunch of money

 

[MoLewisrocks]

So why did he pay the family if it would have been thrown out had he not had alcohol in his system?

Because he was genuinely remorseful and because he would have been hammered in civil court anyway. Probably the same reason Ray Lewis paid off a victim's family in a case in which his pals were acquitted.

 

[oldskool138]

Because he was genuinely remorseful and because he would have been hammered in civil court anyway.

Okay...but still if this is the kind of case that would have been thrown out if he hadn't been drinking then why no try to prove that in civil court?

I'm kind of play devil's advocate since I think they should have thrown the book at him.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Well, for one the car accident was just that: an accident. For another, he would come absolutely, positively, filthy dirt cheap now. Not saying it's going to happen for sure, but it's certainly interesting to contemplate. For one, I would welcome back Stallworth with open arms.

He was intoxicated when the "accident" occurred. It was no accident, unless the booze accidentally fell down his throat. It's too bad he didn't kill someone you know, otherwise I doubt you'd be so cavalier about him killing another human being because he didn't know when to stop drinking.

It's a sick ******* world when because a dude can play football, nothing else he does in life really matters.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

First of all, a family has absolutely no say in pressing charges in a DUI fatality that's completely up to the DA to decide. And the reason Stallworth got of relatively light is because there was a traffic camera that showed that Reyes was crossing the road at a point where it was dimly lit with no crosswalk and then suddenly "darted" in front of Stallworths Bentley as it passed by. Now whether this was just an attempt to get rich by being hit by someone driving an expensive Bentley or perhaps just a terrible decission to try and out run a car thinking he was superman was up to the judge. This case would of also been immediately thrown out if stallworth didn't have alcohol in his system when this happened but since he did the judge had to give some type of punishment which is why he got off so easy.

BTW, in case your wondering where this video is. It has been sealed from public view at the request of Reyes family and by order of judge Dennis Murphy who ruled in their favor to keep the video locked up for their privacy concerns.

But you've seen the video, right?