MrBigglesWorth
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dont we need to find another ILB in the mold of ted johnson?
The days of the run-stuffing Ted Johnson-type ILBs is over IMO. Given the predominance of the passing game in the NFL, starting ILBs need to be equally proficient in coverage as against the run. 230+lb ILBs are now commonplace in the NFL. Speed with moderate size is the prerequisite to play ILB.
Guyton is too small to be an every down linebacker in this team's system. I see him most likely to develop as a player who might one day be able to serve as a 3rd down linebacker, in the sense of being in on passing downs but still getting pulled on running downs.
Unfortunately, as we saw all too often this season, he's not even good enough to get the job done in pass coverage just yet. Hopefully, with a year under his belt and an offseason do work on technique and and body sculpting, he'll be able to make a real jump in year two. If not, he'd better start loving special teams.
Guyton is too small to be an every down linebacker in this team's system. I see him most likely to develop as a player who might one day be able to serve as a 3rd down linebacker, in the sense of being in on passing downs but still getting pulled on running downs.
What?
Maybe he doesn't have adequate playing strength quite yet to be a three down guy, but not big enough?
So explain to me how 6'1 247 is a legend, 6'2 242 is the DROY, but 6'3 242 isn't big enough.....please.
6'1", 240 on one guy is often not the same as 6'1", 240 on another guy, because the body sculpture is not identical. Some will be thicker in the trunk with thinner extremities, while others may be very thin across the shoulders but have extra thickness in the legs. Such differences are obviously more to be seen when heights and weights aren't identical.
Wow, so a difference is size is more obvious when one player is a different size than another player? Obvious is the correct word, there!6'1", 240 on one guy is often not the same as 6'1", 240 on another guy, because the body sculpture is not identical. Some will be thicker in the trunk with thinner extremities, while others may be very thin across the shoulders but have extra thickness in the legs. Such differences are obviously more to be seen when heights and weights aren't identical.
6'1", 240 on one guy is often not the same as 6'1", 240 on another guy, because the body sculpture is not identical. Some will be thicker in the trunk with thinner extremities, while others may be very thin across the shoulders but have extra thickness in the legs. Such differences are obviously more to be seen when heights and weights aren't identical.
Wow, so a difference is size is more obvious when one player is a different size than another player? Obvious is the correct word, there!
But no matter how you slice it, saying this 6'1", 240# guy is too small to be a LB and that 6'1" 240# guy is the perfect size does not make sense.
Nice try, though. Do you write for the Herald, by any chance?
Some will be thicker in the trunk with thinner extremities, while others may be very thin across the shoulders but have extra thickness in the legs. Such differences
How good is he?
The Patriots allocate 9 lbs every year. With the dirth of talent the past few seasons, two were usually ST only players. No longer;now they will do both. But the Pats signed Izzo's heir apparent this past season and Aikens will take that job and move it to spare receiver. I never thought that Alexander was much, other than as fair ST only player. Frankly Woods is the best ST player we have, and has lead the ST in tackles every year hes been on the team, except perhaps someone caught up in the last few games when he was hurt.
Larry Izzo is probably done; as is Tedy. I would keep him around for his leadership but Vrabel, wearer of the green helmet, can provide all of that. So I would expect to keep five OLBs and up to four ILBs. We have two ILBs and a pair of OLBs in AD and Vrabes who can move inside. But I don't think Belichick wants to do so.
Mayo is a rising star. Period. Guyton has a lot s of tools except instincts perhaps. He is mediocre as an OLB but really shines as an ILB, and especially as a cover ILB. We need more young bodies at ILB. In this this rich ILB draft environment, we stock up with at least one or early. I expect the Pats to also pick up a DE/OLB candidate in late 2nd or early 3rd to add to the number of contestants there.
Belichick likes him. I tend not to disagree on such matters with him.
I agree and expect him to start.
Midway through the season I thought Guyton was on track to start at SILB this upcoming year. I posted as much multiple times. But I thought he had some struggles down the stretch before getting injured - granted, they were moving him around and trying him out at OLB - and I think its worth drafting competition for him as early as round 1 in Spikes. Even if Guyton pans out, they can still use all 3.
I love that Guyton can rush the passer though and they used him in that role. I'll echo BOR's excitement over the prospect of lining up 4 LBs who can rush or drop in coverage. Of course, that depends upon a healthy and productive Vrabel.
Certainly players who are the same weight can have different body shapes, and players who have different heights can have different body shapes, but it's kind of hard to have the exact same height AND weight and have such different body shapes that one is an ideal ILB and one is too small to play the position.What part of
escaped you?
Also, I didn't say that anyone at 6'1", 240 is perfect, so perhaps your reading skills could use improvement, since they seem to have failed you twice in a fairly short post. I merely used those measurements to make a point about the body's sculpture. However, as for why one person might be perfect at one height/weight and not another person with that same height/weight, anyone who's ever watched basketball could explain such obvious things as arm length, leg thickness, shoulder width and the like to you.