DRAFT Patriots select WR Tyquan Thornton at 50.

[DaBruinz]

And if you look at the picks in the 2nd round in that draft they were all busts. So the Pats made the right decision.

I wouldn't go that far:
Barrett Ruud, Lofa Tatupu, Michael Roos, Khalif Barnes, Roscoe Parrish, Vincent Jackson and Adam Terry..
Best player in that draft was Frank Gore, though..

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[SHOWTIME15]

I wouldn't go that far:
Barrett Ruud, Lofa Tatupu, Michael Roos, Khalif Barnes, Roscoe Parrish, Vincent Jackson and Adam Terry..
Best player in that draft was Frank Gore, though..

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Ok, Mankins was better than any drafted player that year except:

-Rodgers
-Gore
-Demarcus Ware

People don't understand what a crapshoot the draft is.

In a redo of the 2005 draft, Mankins would go 3rd overall.

Re-Drafting the 2005 NFL Draft

The 2005 NFL draft is known for two things: the player who went first overall, and the one who didn't. It's not that anyone really believed Alex Smith wasn't deserving of the first overall pick at the time ...

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[Sam Bam Cunningham]

In terms of a comparison with Tyreek Hill there is good and bad news. Hill has even smaller hands than Thornton (eight inch span) However Hill’s three cone shuttle time was spectacular at 6.53 (Thornton 7.2)

 

[PatsFanInVa]

It wasn't "post facto consensus". The Pre-draft Consensus was that Mankins was a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick. That the Pats REACHED to take him.. In an almost identical way that the Pats "reached" to take Strange.

It's also since come out that at least 3 other teams (Ten/SF/TB) had a 1st round grade on Strange.

Senior Bowl Advisor, Jim Nagy, also stated that most of the teams he'd talked to had at least a 2nd round grade on Strange. Nagy also took a shot at the "Draftnicks" saying that they don't really understand what the teams are seeing..

1st thank you for trying to get through the thick skulls in all these posts

Second this says it all. Where does Consensus draft? We know where Tenn drafts or SF or TB. What’s more, they can draft. This imaginary team “Concensus” can’t scoop you on the pick, isn’t disappointed if you get its man, and unlike actual teams, has its preferences published far and wide BEFORE the pick… because nobody who does have a pick cares (well, there is overlap but it’s not absolute)

Thank you again. Draft epistemology ruins the party but how else can you seriously do this but talk about reality and realize that “consensus” - or at least its fans - have their own extremely durable confirmation bias

 

[Triumph]

Wow…crazy stat. Especially the way the game is played these days.

Its a WR driven league and drafted rookie WRs are stepping in and dominating year 1.

College ball has copied NFL ball.

 

[Badbisco]

Feel like build/weight concerns are overblown relative to other top WR draft picks 10,11,12. All were similar sized but slower with less length

Height/Weight

Garrett Wilson: 6’ - 183 lbs
Chris Olave: +6’ - 187 lbs
Jameson Williams: -6’2” - 179 lbs
Tyquan Thornton: +6’2” - 181 lbs

Wingspan:

Garrett Wilson: 76.50”
Chris Olave: 73.13”
Jameson Williams: 75.88”
Tyquan Thornton: 79.25”

Tyquan put up good relative numbers in an offense that passed significantly less than these other WRs’ teams, receiving passes from a worse QB while always getting covered by CB1. Williams’ numbers are better but Wilson and Olave are very similar.

Garrett Wilson: 1,058 yards, 15.1 average, 12 TDs, team passed 49% with #1 ranked QB by QBR

Chris Olave: 936 yards, 14.4 average, 13 TDs

Jameson Williams: 1572 yards, 19.9 average, 15 TDs, team passed 51% with #2 ranked QB by QBR

Tyquan Thornton: 948 yards, 15.3 average, 10 TDs, team passed 37% with #35 ranked QB by QBR

I think it’s possible a future Parker replacement was a top priority, especially given Mac’s proven deep ball success with top caliber receivers to work with. Maybe when Williams, Olave and Burkes were gone before 21, they moved to next priority Guard, knowing they could get next WR on their board in 2nd.

Think he compares relatively well with the 10, 11,12 picks let alone the 52, 53, and 54 picks just after him.

 

[JMC00]

The people that wanted a WR with Williams and Metchie off the board who did you want them to draft that was available

Skyy Moore?
George Pickens?
Alec Pierce?
Jalen Tolbert?
David Bell?
Danny Gray?
Romeo Doubs?

I don't think anyone in the group is that much better than Thornton. In fact if I was looking for a speedy deep threat and those were the choices i'd probably go Thornton or Gray. Thornton in the draftnik write ups gets knocked for size, yet the 3 WRs that came off the board after Drake London all have similair weight and height. Only difference is those 3 went to Alabama and Ohio St and Thornton went to Baylor.

 

[JMC00]

Tyquan put up good relative numbers in an offense that passed significantly less than these other WRs’ teams, receiving passes from a worse QB while always getting covered by CB1. Williams’ numbers are better but Wilson and Olave are very similar.

This is underrated. Wilson and Olave weren't even the best WR on Ohio St last season Smith-Njigba was Olave & Wilson sat out the Rose Bowl and Smith-Njigba went and had 15 catches for 350 yards. Williams had Metchie. Thornton had R.J Sneed...... And like you said they were in high volume passing offenses, Thornton was on a team that passed it 39% of the time.

Interesting tidbit: Thornton had 5+ rec in 8 out of 14 games and only had 1 game with less than 3 rec and that game he caught 1 ball and it was a TD.

 

[Mcp1982]

You just brought me back...in a room..4 buddies.. empty beer cans. Amazing game.

2 of my buddies no longer with us. We celebrated hard that day. Great game.

I was at that game with my Dad, end zone opposite the big stop by Will Mac to end it. Amazing game

 

[Vindicate]

It's not that they overlooked Thornton. They downgraded him significantly because of his thin build. The problem is they've called him "frail" and he's not. He missed 3 games and a bit of a 4th in the Covid shortened season. They downgraded him because of his hands/wrists but didn't look at his drop rate (3.1%). If he works with a martial arts specialist on how to fall and take hits the way Brady did, then I don't foresee injury issues for him because of his frame.

I never knew Brady did that. I've been barking on this board for awhile about how watching him take a sack is watching a master class in how to take a hit and fall. Thanks for mentioning that, it all makes sense now.

 

[1960Pats]

It's still the right call. Also, they picked it up.

Here's what you're missing. Sure, it looked like they made it, but they went incomplete on 3rd and 2 and then called their last timeout. That left more than 2 minutes on the clock by a couple of seconds after the 4th and 2 play and no chance for a replay. Bill doesn't make many mistakes but he did there.

 

[TommyD4207]

Here's what you're missing. Sure, it looked like they made it, but they went incomplete on 3rd and 2 and then called their last timeout. That left more than 2 minutes on the clock by a couple of seconds after the 4th and 2 play and no chance for a replay. Bill doesn't make many mistakes but he did there.

The defense wasn't stopping anything. They make it they win the game. They miss they lose. They punt, they lose. It's the right call. Here's what you're missing.

 

[1960Pats]

It's notorious that Brady dissed Meyers in 2019 and didn't want to throw to him.

I think Brady threw more to White, Burkhead, Jules, Sanu and Gordon (while he was here). I also think that Brady's insistence on WRs being in the right place is what makes him great and his WRs better.

 

[1960Pats]

I read that he tries to model his game after Devante Adams. If he notices how Adams works in and out of his routes, I am willing to bet that he will be a very good WR for us.

Patriots WR Tyquan Thornton explains how he models his game after Davante Adams

The thing I like most about Adams is the way he disguises it when the pass has arrived. Hopefully, Thornton saw that too.

 

[1960Pats]

The defense wasn't stopping anything. They make it they win the game. They miss they lose. They punt, they lose. It's the right call. Here's what you're missing.

They didn't make it because they blew the chance to have it replayed when they used their last TO after they passed on 3rd and 2 and then couldn't get a replay on the 4th and 2 because there was more than 2 minutes left. In the books it went down as a failed 4th and 2 and it shouldn't have. Was that really 13 years ago? Yeow!

 

[upstater1]

Meyers saw 416 offensive snaps in 2019. That was 36.21% of the offensive snaps.

Brady and Meyers saw plenty of one another that year.

I'm talking about the whole offense. Brady was looking at Edelman and only Edelman and we all know why. He had 1 second to throw. Newhouse was previously seen eating cheetos on his couch, and then after the season ending, returned right to that same spot on the couch, the pillow didn't even have time to decompress. Judging a WR-QB relationship by what went on in 2019 is weird. Unless Jakobi said something about his dog.

 

[upstater1]

Feel like build/weight concerns are overblown relative to other top WR draft picks 10,11,12. All were similar sized but slower with less length

Height/Weight

Garrett Wilson: 6’ - 183 lbs
Chris Olave: +6’ - 187 lbs
Jameson Williams: -6’2” - 179 lbs
Tyquan Thornton: +6’2” - 181 lbs

Wingspan:

Garrett Wilson: 76.50”
Chris Olave: 73.13”
Jameson Williams: 75.88”
Tyquan Thornton: 79.25”

Tyquan put up good relative numbers in an offense that passed significantly less than these other WRs’ teams, receiving passes from a worse QB while always getting covered by CB1. Williams’ numbers are better but Wilson and Olave are very similar.

Garrett Wilson: 1,058 yards, 15.1 average, 12 TDs, team passed 49% with #1 ranked QB by QBR

Chris Olave: 936 yards, 14.4 average, 13 TDs

Jameson Williams: 1572 yards, 19.9 average, 15 TDs, team passed 51% with #2 ranked QB by QBR

Tyquan Thornton: 948 yards, 15.3 average, 10 TDs, team passed 37% with #35 ranked QB by QBR

I think it’s possible a future Parker replacement was a top priority, especially given Mac’s proven deep ball success with top caliber receivers to work with. Maybe when Williams, Olave and Burkes were gone before 21, they moved to next priority Guard, knowing they could get next WR on their board in 2nd.

Think he compares relatively well with the 10, 11,12 picks let alone the 52, 53, and 54 picks just after him.

I heard a scout discussing the WR class and talking about how they were all very slight this year (other than London) and that if this same class were in the draft previous years, they would have gone lower.

 

[jdlboot14]

May not be popular, but the biggest hope for Thornton succeeding early is not having Brady & JMD here.
Mac will be much more patient and helpful in his growth, and whoever is OC will be striving to prove Josh wasn't the only reason for the Pats offense the last 12 years. I think there's a lot of motivation in the WR room (coaches) to make these guys win. I'm sure the stigma of drafted Patriot WR's busting is heavy on them too. And, Thornton has the tools. Gaining 10lbs of muscle/mass this season is not unheard of.

 

[Toofy]

The last few posts are super positive , hopeful and uplifting . Really hope Thornton pans out..

The more I read about the selections and the draft, I think it's okay and we can live with it. It's not the most glamorous and universally accepted picks but nevertheless fills our needs and probably brings in more synergy .

The only gripe I have is not drafting Travis Jones and hopefully he is not that good as advertised .

 

[RobertWeathers]

Love his speed and he looks pretty good on in highlights catching slants and quick outs aside from the bombs but in this offense rookies have a tough time.

In space agility, route-running and footwork seems to be a recurring theme of a concern with him.

Who knows...