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But the vaccine is?

Most vaccines do not actually provide that. Lookup sterilizing immunity; most diseases have been eradicated by vaccines which do not fully prevent infection of spread.

As I said, it’s “unlikely.” Numerous articles from medical authorities say natural immunity is hard to predict because the immune system reacts much less predictably in any given individual. Antibody response can vary greatly.
I don’t think the vaccine will kill me. But I also don’t trust big pharma to look out for anything but their bottom line. Add in the immunity the government gave them if the vaccines do cause problems and that’s enough for me. There have been plenty of medicines through history that the side effects and consequences aren’t known for many years. Why take the chance?

So for me, the 99% chance I’d be fine on my own was good enough. Very happy with my decision, and I’m glad you all have the option to be vaccinated if you’d like.
 
It's got nothing to do with CNN, bucko. My wife is an ICU RN who has held cell phones to the ears of dying Covid patients so family members could sat goodbye. She's turned off respirators on which Covid victims with NO pre-existing conditions drew their final breaths. Looking back, I'm half-amazed she and I made it through the past 18-plus months with our marriage, lives and wits intact, though we've both aged considerably. Snarking about this subject from an ignorantly partisan viewpoint is pretty damn pathetic. And if your fiancee is, indeed, what you say she is, you're overdue for a stone sober chat that hopefully includes a reading of the riot act. Better buckle up.
Yeah that hasn’t been our experience.


Maybe because of the lack of ventilators here
 
"The study demonstrates the power of the human immune system, but infectious disease experts emphasized that this vaccine and others for COVID-19 nonetheless remain highly protective against severe disease and death. And they caution that intentional infection among unvaccinated people would be extremely risky. “What we don’t want people to say is: ‘All right, I should go out and get infected, I should have an infection party,’” says Michel Nussenzweig, an immunologist at Rockefeller University who researches the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 and was not involved in the study. “Because somebody could die.”

The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.

Still, Thålin and other researchers stress that deliberate infection among unvaccinated people would put them at significant risk of severe disease and death, or the lingering, significant symptoms of what has been dubbed Long Covid. The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,” says Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington, Seattle.


Mr. Bo Jangles, if you were in court defending yourself, you'd find yourself guilty. Unbelievable.

You people are the only ones I argue about this with. I stopped caring much about the virus once we elected a Governor that got rid of the ridiculous mask mandate. I don’t have a personal stockpile of articles to throw at the subject to defend my position.
 
Ah yes, we need more political bs.
yes because "balanced, intelligent, eloquent, thoughtful and sane" are political terms. ?????? I pointed to qualities every American should REQUIRE of a friend, parent, colleague, community member and a leader. yup .. mine was a political post. I can guess who you voted for.
 
Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug


"Dr Kyle Sheldrick, one of the group investigating the studies, said they had not found "a single clinical trial" claiming to show that ivermectin prevented Covid deaths that did not contain "either obvious signs of fabrication or errors so critical they invalidate the study."

But hey, why believe that when there are studies from *checks notes* Egypt, Lebanon and Iran claiming it works great? I always get my medical advice from the Islamic Republic of Iran instead of the CDC. And Joe Rogan of course. And actress girlfriends with Pica.


one thing that is worth noting, ivermectin is now considered a generic drug, so its pretty interesting that the mainstream media keeps going after it while propping up the phizer and moderna brands.. theres tons of money being made, so just important to note and always try to follow the money trail (disclaimer: i'm fully moderna vaccinated)
 
That entire article argues against your position. Haha.
You should read what you post.
The title was enough
I think you have magnificently captured in four words a microcosm of today’s twitter based society where so many claim to be an expert on everything but without bothering to read or understand anything with more than a “title” or a few twitter words.
 
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Wtf is with all this BiG pHaRmA and biG tEch whining.

Their entire platform is all about product competition, consumer centrism, deregulation, survival of the fittest, profit is good.

But we’re sheep cuz big pharma? Wtf? Isn’t it supposed to work just like this? Companies develop the vachcine for consumer share and profit? Now it’s a bad thing and we’re just idiots?

The idea that Big Business, monetary reward, capitalism were great, all these years, spouted off by the same people now crying about it. I feel embarrassed for all these fools who are just showing us their entire ass crack…no one is more of a gullible than someone who is now fully on the other side of an argument, without even realizing it.
Speaking of big pharma, I had a minor cardiac incident this Monday, and my cardiologist recommended I start taking the blood thinner Eloquist. Well I picked it up from the pharmacist even though I haven't decided if I am going to take it, since once you start, its for life. At Walgreens, part of the paperwork you get with your prescription tells you how much you save with your plan. I was STUNNED to find out I saved $1744 on my 3 month supply. I almost felt the need to go out and buy Bristoll Meyers Squibb stock. What a scam. $582/month to a captive audience that doesn't end until they DIE
 
Speaking of big pharma, I had a minor cardiac incident this Monday, and my cardiologist recommended I start taking the blood thinner Eloquist. Well I picked it up from the pharmacist even though I haven't decided if I am going to take it, since once you start, its for life. At Walgreens, part of the paperwork you get with your prescription tells you how much you save with your plan. I was STUNNED to find out I saved $1744 on my 3 month supply. I almost felt the need to go out and buy Bristoll Meyers Squibb stock. What a scam. $582/month to a captive audience that doesn't end until they DIE
Very sorry to see this pfk! Best wishes for you to stay well, we look forward to your idle thoughts and special insights from a coach’s perspective.

Just a thought here but you may want to DVR the entire game this week to save yourself from possible stress. Maybe they have some episodes of “Madame Secretary” on YouTube while you wait?

I wish Rodgers good health but what he did is not right and the NFL’s deference to him is a disgrace. Why have rules at all if they can’t stick to them when it is tough to do so. Par for the course unfortunately in the R. Stokoe Goodell era.
 
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Speaking of big pharma, I had a minor cardiac incident this Monday, and my cardiologist recommended I start taking the blood thinner Eloquist. Well I picked it up from the pharmacist even though I haven't decided if I am going to take it, since once you start, its for life. At Walgreens, part of the paperwork you get with your prescription tells you how much you save with your plan. I was STUNNED to find out I saved $1744 on my 3 month supply. I almost felt the need to go out and buy Bristoll Meyers Squibb stock. What a scam. $582/month to a captive audience that doesn't end until they DIE

Get well Ken. Hope you are recovering well; that’s insane on the prices.
 
Has this miscreant specified how he supposedly knows he's "allergic" to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines? That's the first thing my RN wife wondered.

Then the idiot takes Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine, both with potential serious side effects.

Did Rodgers say it was a “ homeopathic doctor?” A sociopathic doctor would be more accurate.
 
Vaccinated have contracted covid and DIED.

BUT, you supposedly cant spread to others, though... you should still wear a mask.

While it's true that vaccinated people have died it's at a rate of 32 times less than the unvaccinated.

Pretty much everything we're being asked to do is simply to keep the hospitals from becoming overwhelmed.

Getting vaccinated was never a guarantee of not getting it just that your body had a better chance of fighting it and that you'd come out of it better off. It's working.
 
Speaking of big pharma, I had a minor cardiac incident this Monday, and my cardiologist recommended I start taking the blood thinner Eloquist. Well I picked it up from the pharmacist even though I haven't decided if I am going to take it, since once you start, its for life. At Walgreens, part of the paperwork you get with your prescription tells you how much you save with your plan. I was STUNNED to find out I saved $1744 on my 3 month supply. I almost felt the need to go out and buy Bristoll Meyers Squibb stock. What a scam. $582/month to a captive audience that doesn't end until they DIE
Stay healthy, Ken.

What a scam
 
Wtf is with all this BiG pHaRmA and biG tEch whining.

Their entire platform is all about product competition, consumer centrism, deregulation, survival of the fittest, profit is good.

But we’re sheep cuz big pharma? Wtf? Isn’t it supposed to work just like this? Companies develop the vaccine for consumer share and profit? Now it’s a bad thing and we’re just idiots?

The idea that Big Business, monetary reward, capitalism were great, all these years, spouted off by the same people now crying about it. I feel embarrassed for all these fools who are just showing us their entire ass crack…no one is more of a gullible than someone who is now fully on the other side of an argument, without even realizing it.

West Virginians, held hostage by a coal industry that slowly kills them and absorbs any wealth they may create with their labor, consistently vote to maintain it. Then blame "liberalism" and "socialism" (which they don't understand) for the ills of society, and choose leaders who openly profit from their misery and openly live the lifestyles they supposedly oppose. When science or social science attempts to improve life, it gets labeled "political."

The same theme unfolds in nearly every conservative region of the country, with different industries as the clothing.

It has nothing to do with rational choice, but is rooted exclusively in self loathing and centuries old superstitions, and the tribalism that is formed to maintain it. The "sheep" meme is one of the greatest projections in US history.

The sad part of it is that the tribal members really are disempowered and being abused - their gut feelings are correct. Their analysis is so wrong.

An earlier poster used the term "management class" as the group that is the opposition to regular citizens. Again, gut feelings are correct, but the "management class" is just a bunch of people with professional jobs. They aren't the architects or benefactors of all this.
 
Speaking of big pharma, I had a minor cardiac incident this Monday, and my cardiologist recommended I start taking the blood thinner Eloquist. Well I picked it up from the pharmacist even though I haven't decided if I am going to take it, since once you start, its for life. At Walgreens, part of the paperwork you get with your prescription tells you how much you save with your plan. I was STUNNED to find out I saved $1744 on my 3 month supply. I almost felt the need to go out and buy Bristoll Meyers Squibb stock. What a scam. $582/month to a captive audience that doesn't end until they DIE
Ask your doc about Warfarin. It is an affordable option but you must blood tested weekly to adjust the dose. Are you on Medicare? If so, look into the term "donut hole": Donut Hole, Medicare Prescription Drug - HealthCare.gov Glossary
 
Speaking of big pharma, I had a minor cardiac incident this Monday, and my cardiologist recommended I start taking the blood thinner Eloquist. Well I picked it up from the pharmacist even though I haven't decided if I am going to take it, since once you start, its for life. At Walgreens, part of the paperwork you get with your prescription tells you how much you save with your plan. I was STUNNED to find out I saved $1744 on my 3 month supply. I almost felt the need to go out and buy Bristoll Meyers Squibb stock. What a scam. $582/month to a captive audience that doesn't end until they DIE

Ouch. Get better.

I'm struck by the term "minor cardiac incident." Did such a thing even exist a few decades ago?

Also, we do have blood thinners in nature - garlic, turmeric, cinnammon, and more. We just haven't figured out how to create personal, predictable doses yet. Instead, we get "Eloquist."

As to the bigger challenge, drugs have become such a mainstream part of our life that it is close to electricity and water. We don't yet have an alternative model for structuring the economics of drug creation that can coexist with US individualism and free marketism. So we get these weird situations like yours.
 
1 - If vaccinated can die of covid we will never know if the vaccinated that did not die would have survived covid regardless.

2 - Flu shot vaccinations are used to prevent contracting the flu. That is why people got the shot. There is little polint on getting the flu vaccination if it might work.

Per google

VACINNE
noun


  1. a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
    "every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

Somebody needs to get on the horn to Google and get them up to marching orders. Since last year, No, being vaccinated does not guarantee immunity since the CDC changed it.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

If the objective was to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed then WHY did Fredo Cuomo's brother place covid patients into nursing homes thereby infecting thousands?

I completely agree with you regarding the multiple governors deciding to put Covid patients in with the highest risk group. A horrendous decision that cost lives. But the goal has always been to keep the hospitals from becoming overwhelmed.

Personally I don't like "forced" vaccination policies but understand why they exist. It's simply to keep the hospitals from becoming overwhelmed. If they came up with a policy in which anti vaxers could sign a waiver that would allow hospitals to reject unvaccinated Covid patients would you sign it? Just curious.

 
Even though I have serious problems with Portugal, this thread makes me feel a bit better about living in Europe (and here in particular)

It's really sad how the Freedom of will, maybe America's biggest legacy for the modern world, has evolved into Freedom of stupidiy. So much advancements made because USA, only to be disregarded by their own people, who keep glorifying ideologies and not reality ( as in, ignoring years of science and basic medical principles)

I dont like to meddle in political discussions here, cause Im definitely a outsider looking in, but with these movements happening all over the West (Brazil and Europe, which includes my life), I guess Im somewhat implied here.

So, can I say it, without political attachments? If you are anti-vax, you are one stupid mother****er
 
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He is the LEADER of the team. He should have got the shot. He hurts his teams chances of winning the SB by being out for 10 days. Nuff said. He should have got the shot. He is the Leader of the Packers.
 
I agree with you but there's a serious trust issue between the managerial class and the populace.
Finding out that Fauci authorized NIH funding to the Wuhan lab a year later didn't help regardless of how well intended it was.
I will occasionally write on science, but I personally have given up on COVID topics (although I don’t fault others with who still post on COVID) because they generate endless posts (often with repeating arguments) that never change any minds, and the name of Fauci has become as politicized as COVID itself.

However, I would argue that the management class consists of business people who spend every thought on how to make more $$$ for their stockholders, their company, or themselves together with politicians who spend every thought on how to get elected or re-elected and how to get more and more political campaign $$$ to make that happen. IMHO, Scientists who love doing data and fact based research to elucidate scientific truths (much like detective work) usually don’t get too far up the management class ladder unless they shift their thinking from a search for scientific truths to a search for more and more $$$$.
 
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