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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Harrison Smith is 8 years older.You know there’s something seriously wrong when Dugger is making more than a 2 time Pro Bowl/2 time All Pro Safety Kevin Byard and 6 time Pro Bowl/2 time All Pro Harrison Smith. They are only 2-3 years apart.
As much as I love Dugger. Supposedly he refused whatever the team offered him for months before being hit with the tag..Unsurprisingly, word out now is that Dugger is angry about the transition tag.
My guess is that he feels like the Patriots hurt his chances in FA because they could match any offer.
I think that that doesn't really add up. The free agent safety market has been bad. He can see what other guys are getting on the open market, and it's not much. Does he think he was somehow going to be the #1 free agent safety signing of the offseason if only he hadn't been tagged? Not to mention that as a tagged player, he's still able to talk to other teams and determine his value/negotiate.Unsurprisingly, word out now is that Dugger is angry about the transition tag.
My guess is that he feels like the Patriots hurt his chances in FA because they could match any offer.
It's more that there is a perception with that tag that others teams don't want to negotiate on another teams behalf. It was the Lamar Jackson issue last year. Nobody wanted to make a play to get him because they felt like anything reasonable would be matched by the Ravens and they'd have to put something stupid out there to get him.I think that that doesn't really add up. The free agent safety market has been bad. He can see what other guys are getting on the open market, and it's not much. Does he think he was somehow going to be the #1 free agent safety signing of the offseason if only he hadn't been tagged? Not to mention that as a tagged player, he's still able to talk to other teams and determine his value/negotiate.
No all pros, no pro bowls... 13 million.. not a bad thing.I think that that doesn't really add up. The free agent safety market has been bad. He can see what other guys are getting on the open market, and it's not much. Does he think he was somehow going to be the #1 free agent safety signing of the offseason if only he hadn't been tagged? Not to mention that as a tagged player, he's still able to talk to other teams and determine his value/negotiate.
Like butler, Collins and even Hightower. He turned down extensions during the season and again this off season. Sometimes guys misjudge the market when they bet on themselves.. I'm all for players to get paid they put thier bodies though hell to entertain us.My guess is that this is nothing more than Dugger/his agent negotiating through the press. They are certainly not the first, nor the last to do so.
Smart tactic considering the local sports media has been leading the fan base to complain about the Patriots not spending money.
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NFL Notes: 25 Patriots thoughts 25 days away from the NFL Draft
What’s up with the Patriots? 25 thoughts on the present and future of the franchise.www.bostonherald.com
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Kyle Dugger Reportedly 'Dissatisfied' With Patriots Transition Tag
It appears that the New England Patriots placing the transition tag on Kyle Dugger has not sat well with the safety.nesn.com
Well put. I believe Kyle bet on himself and misjudged the market. He's a hell of a player but I mean C'mon. Most ppl are living check to check, in Massachusetts traffic is terrible, unaffordable housing everywhere, overpopulation.. millionaire complaing... lol13 million reasons not to be dissatisfied. Stay healthy and carve your way to that contract by betting on yourself. Sympathy is not for millionaires crying about money.
Yes, my mistake.Harrison Smith is 8 years older.
I agree that the market was likely the biggest reason he isn't seeing what he wanted to see - but I'm sure that he holds some of that on the Patriots if no other teams wanted to talk to a T-tagged player.I think that that doesn't really add up. The free agent safety market has been bad. He can see what other guys are getting on the open market, and it's not much. Does he think he was somehow going to be the #1 free agent safety signing of the offseason if only he hadn't been tagged? Not to mention that as a tagged player, he's still able to talk to other teams and determine his value/negotiate.
I get it, but realistically speaking, the guaranteed salary he’s making for 1 year of play this year isn’t much less than the total guarantees most free agent safeties got for their entire contracts this offseason. I actually think only Xavier McKinney got more guaranteed money than $13M, and that’s a 4 year contract.I agree that the market was likely the biggest reason he isn't seeing what he wanted to see - but I'm sure that he holds some of that on the Patriots if no other teams wanted to talk to a T-tagged player.
I said at the beginning of the original thread on this that I would bet he was pissed at being transition tagged. I think most players would be because out the gate it cripples their negotiating power.
If he lays well on the tag, we can tag him again.The question is, do the Patriots think he's only worth $12m when the best are earning $17m?
The Pro Bowl stuff is just irrelevant to me, I put no stock in that. It's the Patriots evaluation that matters.
Personally I think he's great and should be in that $15-$16m range, especially now with the expanded cap.
If he goes out there and plays on the tag, it will be his last season as a Patriot.
Doesn't the 2nd year tag come with a 20% tax on top of the top safety average?If he lays well on the tag, we can tag him again.
He's a couple years older. Will turn 31 during the season.Honestly? Trade him for a 4, and sign Simmons for less $$ who is a much better FS.
$13.8 is too rich for a glorified LB.
Yes but with this year and that he cashes in pretty good. Not sure what he's looking for, maybe way too much.Doesn't the 2nd year tag come with a 20% tax on top of the top safety average?