Drake Maye would be the IDEAL pick for the Patriots at #3

40yrpatsfan said:

Every year there's at least 1 QB that runs up the board around the time of the combine. Last year it was Anthony Richardson.

McCarthy is now in the top-4 mix, and there's no reason he shouldn't be. As you review his tape and from the combine, he's got the arm, the mobility, is sensational throwing on the run, good size, smart, and just led his team to the championship under a great coach. He should have been rated higher all along.

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He is my pick for 3

Bourne Again Christian said:

He is my pick for 3

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Well depends what kind of offense you want to run.
I love what Daniel’s brings to the table I’m Just concerned that he is too small to take the kind of hits he does.

Bourne Again Christian said:

Well depends what kind of offense you want to run.
I love what Daniel’s brings to the table I’m Just concerned that he is too small to take the kind of hits he does.

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But if Wolf thinks he can take the beating I’m on board.
I just feel he’s destined for IR.

Bourne Again Christian said:

But if Wolf thinks he can take the beating I’m on board.
I just feel he’s destined for IR.

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And this is where our QB whisperers will earn their money.

Evaluating these QBs is in their wheelhouse.

The Gr8est said:

The post mentioned how trading down for a QB was a bad idea and listed the latest example from 1st rounds.

I listed the context that showed that was not a valid criticism.

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I wasn’t talking about you, I was talking about the whole concept of not taking a QB at #2 because a QB drafted # 2 in a prior draft busted. Every draft is different, and the prospects in it are specific to that one draft, so what players did in prior drafts has absolutely nothing to do with that Draft. You could see all 3 of the top QB prospects in this draft turn into top QB’s in the league, or you could see all 3 bust, or you could see any combination of them failing or succeeding. It just comes down to the individual players, and how well they are able to adapt to pro football. Unlike other sports there is no minor league that allows them to adjust to higher and higher levels of their sport, instead it’s sink or swim, which is why football players either succeed or not. So as fans all we can do is evaluate our team’s needs, then look at how they can fill those needs, be it through trades, cuts, free agency, and the Draft. And we all end up in groups who see it the same way or differently, and then we debate all of it.

Ivan said:

I wasn’t talking about you, I was talking about the whole concept of not taking a QB at #2 because a QB drafted # 2 in a prior draft busted. Every draft is different, and the prospects in it are specific to that one draft, so what players did in prior drafts has absolutely nothing to do with that Draft. You could see all 3 of the top QB prospects in this draft turn into top QB’s in the league, or you could see all 3 bust, or you could see any combination of them failing or succeeding. It just comes down to the individual players, and how well they are able to adapt to pro football. Unlike other sports there is no minor league that allows them to adjust to higher and higher levels of their sport, instead it’s sink or swim, which is why football players either succeed or not. So as fans all we can do is evaluate our team’s needs, then look at how they can fill those needs, be it through trades, cuts, free agency, and the Draft. And we all end up in groups who see it the same way or differently, and then we debate all of it.

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I don’t disagree with any of this, but I think it is also prudent to look at the value of a trade down.

Our QB whisperers will earn their money.

Sam Bam Cunningham said:

You raise a good poibt. Penix is probably being underated. He may be the best pure passer available, but age and injuries have lowered his stock.
Some team will het a bargain blue chipper.

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Is Penix worth considering as an alternative to taking a QB in the top 3, 8 or 12? He's mature, has quite the arm, decent mobility, was productive, and his xrays are ok as far as I've heard.

If he's not that far behind the others and we can wait till 34 or later to grab him, we could rake in a fortune in trade down draft capital and fix a lot of needs in this draft and next year's. He's an interesting case.

Penix’s throwing motion drives me nuts. He throws it almost side arm releasing it about chin high. That’s going to get batted down a lot in the NFL. I wonder how difficult it would be to fix that by working with someone like Tom House.

The Gr8est said:

I don’t disagree with any of this, but I think it is also prudent to look at the value of a trade down.

Our QB whisperers will earn their money.

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And if anyone had the answer to where they get their franchise QB if they trade down I would be more open to the idea, but imo gathering all the talent in the world but not a franchise QB is as useless as it gets. I don’t see any point in getting great tackles and WR’s for a ****ty QB to squander. To me the Patriots are at rock bottom, and this is the best shot they are going to get to get the franchise QB to build around, and they should take the QB and then make all of their decisions with the goal of building a great team for a long run, and not just blow a bunch of money so they can win 8 games next season.

Ivan said:

And if anyone had the answer to where they get their franchise QB if they trade down I would be more open to the idea, but imo gathering all the talent in the world but not a franchise QB is as useless as it gets. I don’t see any point in getting great tackles and WR’s for a ****ty QB to squander. To me the Patriots are at rock bottom, and this is the best shot they are going to get to get the franchise QB to build around, and they should take the QB and then make all of their decisions with the goal of building a great team for a long run, and not just blow a bunch of money so they can win 8 games next season.

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100% agree here

This is their best chance.

Ivan said:

And if anyone had the answer to where they get their franchise QB if they trade down I would be more open to the idea, but imo gathering all the talent in the world but not a franchise QB is as useless as it gets. I don’t see any point in getting great tackles and WR’s for a ****ty QB to squander. To me the Patriots are at rock bottom, and this is the best shot they are going to get to get the franchise QB to build around, and they should take the QB and then make all of their decisions with the goal of building a great team for a long run, and not just blow a bunch of money so they can win 8 games next season.

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Ivan I agree with you.
I would strongly prefer Maye
but if they are comfotabke with Daniels or even Mccarthy at 3 and Maye is not available
I think they need to shoot their shot and not be afraid of fallout.

Sam Bam Cunningham said:

Ivan I agree with you.
I would strongly prefer Maye
but if they are comfotabke with Daniels or even Mccarthy at 3 and Maye is not available
I think they need to shoot their shot and not be afraid of fallout.

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This is my feeling as well Sam, fix QB, then systematically fix the other needs using the strength of free agency and the Draft. Free agency is weak offensively, except for really good deals at RB, h but it’s really strong on defense, where they could bolster an already good defense with some really good young players. And fortunately the Draft is strong where the Patriots are weakest, so they can address QB , OT, and WR a couple of times there.

The Gr8est said:

I don’t disagree with any of this, but I think it is also prudent to look at the value of a trade down.

Our QB whisperers will earn their money.

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If they hate the QB’s at 3 then by all means they should pass on them. But people keep talking about “ the haul” they can get for #3, which begs the question of why other QB needy teams would be willing to give up 3 first round picks for the QB that apparently isn’t worth 1 pick, the Patriots pick?

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And this is where our QB whisperers will earn their money.

Evaluating these QBs is in their wheelhouse.

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Can a qb whisperer predict if a qb will have concussions or live on the IR?

Sam Bam Cunningham said:

Can a qb whisperer predict if a qb will have concussions or live on the IR?

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Nope!

You pays your money and you takes your chances.

BUSTAMOVE said:

I just think McCarthy is going in the Top 15 as far as what pundits are saying
A lot of QB needy teams in Top of draft
Edit: If they like McCarthy just as much
Trade down to say 11 and grab McCarthy
Withn extra picks move up fir a LT

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Felger & Mazz we’re talking about someone’s mock draft today that had McCarthy going #3 overall

What a nightmare pick that would be
Talk about a Jordan Richards reach

I am fine with Maye or MHJ at #3 or trade back

Ivan said:

If they hate the QB’s at 3 then by all means they should pass on them. But people keep talking about “ the haul” they can get for #3, which begs the question of why other QB needy teams would be willing to give up 3 first round picks for the QB that apparently isn’t worth 1 pick, the Patriots pick?

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Hopefully the Pats are better at playing “chicken” then the other team.

If the Cardinals believe the Pats will take MHJ at 3, which should not be hard to convince, then maybe Arizona is willing to pay “insurance money.”

The Gr8est said:

If the Cardinals believe the Pats will take MHJ at 3

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Nobody worth their salt believes that. We are taking a QB and the whole NFL knows it.

The Gr8est said:

Hopefully the Pats are better at playing “chicken” then the other team.

If the Cardinals believe the Pats will take MHJ at 3, which should not be hard to convince, then maybe Arizona is willing to pay “insurance money.”

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I agree, my favorite trade down is 1 spot to AZ, then choose between the 2 remaining qb's after AZ takes Harrison.

Ivan said:

If they hate the QB’s at 3 then by all means they should pass on them. But people keep talking about “ the haul” they can get for #3, which begs the question of why other QB needy teams would be willing to give up 3 first round picks for the QB that apparently isn’t worth 1 pick, the Patriots pick?

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It only takes one idiot. And there is no shortage of idiots in the NFL. Keep in mind Trey Lance.