We are on to Cincinnati...

PP2 said:

Wynn is much better than Brown, but unfortunately we've only had him for so many games.

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Clark had his way with Wynn all day. Too much inconsistency still. He has a high upside, but he is raw still.

Mack Herron said:

Clark had his way with Wynn all day. Too much inconsistency still. He has a high upside, but he is raw still.

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Wasn't clark lined up against Ferentz?

Brendan Daly knew where we are weak and exploited our o-line big time...

TommyBrady12 said:

Wasn't clark lined up against Ferentz?

Brendan Daly knew where we are weak and exploited our o-line big time...

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Clark had a couple snaps where he was moved inside but spend most of his day where he made his name. Which is as edge rusher facing Wynn.

TommyBrady12 said:

Wasn't clark lined up against Ferentz?

Brendan Daly knew where we are weak and exploited our o-line big time...

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He moved around yes. Wynn couldn’t handle him in several run and pass plays. Detente is a liability of course. Summary here:

Mack Herron said:

Clark had his way with Wynn all day. Too much inconsistency still. He has a high upside, but he is raw still.

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In the all-22 thread, I mentioned that I think it was Wynn's first experience with an elite speed rusher. He should bounce back with a lot more respect for choosing angles and getting that initial punch in.

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The problem with theories like this is when you have a particularly ineffective unit, it tends not to matter who you're playing (at least not much). It's equally possible that Cincy is looking at this game thinking they can shore up their run D against a team that struggles with it. The idea that "we can use this game to get the feet under our run game" seemed to contribute to running the ball 12 or so straight times against Miami in 2015, ultimately losing that game and HFA. Obviously if there's a weakness there, the Pats are going to try to exploit it. But if it's not working, I hope they don't bang their heads against the wall trying to force it, and make this a tougher game than it should be.

Wondering if we signed the best kicker.

Mack Herron said:

Wondering if we signed the best kicker.

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This season has been full of head-scratching decisions. Kicker being one of them.

Mack Herron said:

Wondering if we signed the best kicker.

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They had him for a week. He kicked in this week most probably more than he will in the next 4-5 years while they were evaluating him. He clearly must have shown a lack of consistency kicking outside in the elements and so they went with effing Nugent.

Unless we get a report that he was just sitting around, picking his nose not being evaluated properly I don't see a reason to second guess the decision to not sign him. They did their due diligence and he was not convincing during that time.

There is nothing to learn here.

denverpatsfan said:

This season has been full of head-scratching decisions. Kicker being one of them.

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Not being able to accurately predict which kicker is going to be good in game conditions, when you have less than a week of practice conditions to evaluate, after losing your starting kicker to injury partially into the season hardly qualifies as "head scratching". Every team in that situation is basically chucking s**t at the wall to see what sticks, and the Falcons happened to blindly grab the gooiest s**t.

edit: nevermind after seeing Howe's tweet

luuked said:

They had him for a week. He kicked in this week most probably more than he will in the next 4-5 years while they were evaluating him. He clearly must have shown a lack of consistency kicking outside in the elements and so they went with effing Nugent.

Unless we get a report that he was just sitting around, picking his nose not being evaluated properly I don't see a reason to second guess the decision to not sign him. They did their due diligence and he was not convincing during that time.

There is nothing to learn here.

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I mean, who didn't know he'd be a stud? Obviously everyone must have known he was a stud and Bill was somehow the only one that didn't know. Bill should have used some hindsight.

Young kicker with upside or older kicker on the downside of his career? Pretty easy choice to me.

Mack Herron said:

Wondering if we signed the best kicker.

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This was my guy the whole time but we won't know who the better kicker was until it's too late.

UptownPatsFan said:

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I wonder if a "trick shot" kicker would also be better at on-side kick attempts.

denverpatsfan said:

Young kicker with upside or older kicker on the downside of his career? Pretty easy choice to me.

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Until y'all start blaming the young kicker for missing a FG or XP in the playoffs when winds are ablaze and conditions are freezing. You know.. when experience actually matters.

Elijah said:

This was my guy the whole time but we won't know who the better kicker was until it's too late.

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majority of his kicks have been indoors

13/14 indoors
3/4 outdoors (in Carolina and it was good weather, made 23, 29 & 38, missed 38)
also 9/10 on XP (the 1 miss was indoors)

Really no telling how he would have done but the fact that Belichick went with Nugent over him and then they even added him to the PS for a week or two and he did nothing to get the job over Nugent and got released says he wasn't impressing.

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I wonder if a "trick shot" kicker would also be better at on-side kick attempts.

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I'd think if he could do onside kicks even with a 40% reproducibility rate he'd have this on his YT channel and be signed within hours. So my instinct is not to expect anything on this front.