Players we could see traded (speculation)

Burkhead is gone. Michel is our power back and the pass catching backs will be split between Damien Harris and James White.

Richard Camembert said:

What the...why would any team trade for our guys when they could just wait for them to be cut? Just to jump in front of some other team, so they can get dibs on a player so compelling they’re about to get cut? An equivalent player could probably found in the cloud of released players on cutdown day. This doesn’t seem realistic.

I don’t see BB keeping guys just so they can get traded, either.

To be traded a guy would have to be extra depth at a position which is otherwise solid. So a Thuney trade is unrealistic because who’s the LG? Karmas? I don’t think so. Similarly I’m not sure who takes over for Harmon if he gets traded, Brooks? Maybe but Harmon is legend at OPPQBR on deep balls iirc. And again, Harmon would just get cut.

Only scenarios where I could see this happening are a Hoyer trade where they keep all three QB but Stidham shows enough for Hoyer to get cut in-season, or an Allen trade prior to Allen being outright cut.

Wait a sec. You know who might have trade value? Jakobi Myers.

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No no just no. Myers is a diamond in the rough

micronin127 said:

Hoyer to the Eagles. Sudfeld broke a bone. Kessler in concussion protocol. Depends on how good Stidham looks the rest of preseason.

I could see us trading for a tight end. Or maybe Eric Saubert for a 7th is all we need. Keep an eye on Wynn and Skipper, if that looks shaky we could trade for a veteran tackle.

A lot depends on injuries around the league, ours and other teams.

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The Eagles just signed McNown. Doubt they trade for Hoyer.

TheFlyingWedge said:

I think Jonathan Jones in a trade makes the most sense. The Pats are loaded with young talent at cornerback and Jones will probably set the new value at slot corner next year, surpassing Justin Coleman in the ballpark of $10 million, so there’s no chance that he’ll be back. A lot of teams would give up a kings ransom for him, (compared to what teams would give up for some of the other trade options) and a if a solid TE, tackle, or other position of need could be a part of the deal, even better.

By all accounts, Dawson has had an impressive camp and would likely step in as slot corner, while both Crossen and Williams show upside. I don’t think Bill wants to lose any of these guys.

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Dawson has had an impressive few days, not an impressive camp..

Solid breakdown of the players in the OP. It’s going to be fun seeing how it all shakes out.

DaBruinz said:

Dawson has had an impressive few days, not an impressive camp..

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Trade Dorsett for a 4th or 5th rounder if Meyers keeps playing like this. That spot needs youth.

Richard Camembert said:

What the...why would any team trade for our guys when they could just wait for them to be cut? Just to jump in front of some other team, so they can get dibs on a player so compelling they’re about to get cut? An equivalent player could probably found in the cloud of released players on cutdown day. This doesn’t seem realistic.

I don’t see BB keeping guys just so they can get traded, either.

To be traded a guy would have to be extra depth at a position which is otherwise solid. So a Thuney trade is unrealistic because who’s the LG? Karmas? I don’t think so. Similarly I’m not sure who takes over for Harmon if he gets traded, Brooks? Maybe but Harmon is legend at OPPQBR on deep balls iirc. And again, Harmon would just get cut.

Only scenarios where I could see this happening are a Hoyer trade where they keep all three QB but Stidham shows enough for Hoyer to get cut in-season, or an Allen trade prior to Allen being outright cut.

Wait a sec. You know who might have trade value? Jakobi Myers.

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I don't know wtf you are smoking, but none of those guys are "just going to get cut. Seriously. You're acting like the guys I mentioned have zero trade value and are just scrap heap rejects. In fact, it's completely asinine for you to claim that there will be players the equivalent of anyone but the WRs I mentioned in the cloud of players released on cut-down day.

As for taking over at LG, they could, most certainly put Karras there. They could also put Froholdt there. You know. The Guard they just drafted.

You're claims that players like Harmon "would just get cut" are absolutely stupid. No. They wouldn't just get cut.

Redman443 said:

Burkhead is gone. Michel is our power back and the pass catching backs will be split between Damien Harris and James White.

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The Patriots typically keep 5RBs plus a FB. Why would you think that would change now? Not to mention that, by all accounts, the Pats fully plan on using Michel, Harris and White in the passing game based on the fact that Michel has 12 receptions during camp already..

oceansizer said:

I wouldn't touch Thuney even if he leaves Pats after the season as a FA. Brady is obviously getting older and one injury would ruin everything for him and for the team. Thuney is the fundamental part of our OL which responsibility is to protect our QB. Why should we trade the player who is so important.
On the other hand I am glad we have so many gems in the roster.

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We heard the same about Mankins and look what happened there.

Doctor DDS said:

I think Wise, Harmon, Dawson, Roberts and one of the punters could potentially be traded and bring something back though it would not be substantial.

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Curious why you think that Wise would be traded? DE isn't exactly stacked..

DaBruinz said:

The Patriots typically keep 5RBs plus a FB. Why would you think that would change now? Not to mention that, by all accounts, the Pats fully plan on using Michel, Harris and White in the passing game based on the fact that Michel has 12 receptions during camp already..

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Guess so, need the depth at RB but I meant Michel is the best option for running on the goal line or in short yardage situations. You don’t see that very often with James white because his strength is cutting the defense in the passing game.

Redman443 said:

Burkhead is gone. Michel is our power back and the pass catching backs will be split between Damien Harris and James White.

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It would best serve this offense if Michel was more involved in the pass game, to not tip off the defense when he’s in there.

Ras-IR Dowling said:

It would best serve this offense if Michel was more involved in the pass game, to not tip off the defense when he’s in there.

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Harris will also get some handoffs. Not just Michel.

Redman443 said:

Harris will also get some handoffs. Not just Michel.

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I think that’s a given. The point is Michel needs to show he can do both as well.

DaBruinz said:

I don't know wtf you are smoking, but none of those guys are "just going to get cut. Seriously. You're acting like the guys I mentioned have zero trade value and are just scrap heap rejects. In fact, it's completely asinine for you to claim that there will be players the equivalent of anyone but the WRs I mentioned in the cloud of players released on cut-down day.

As for taking over at LG, they could, most certainly put Karras there. They could also put Froholdt there. You know. The Guard they just drafted.

You're claims that players like Harmon "would just get cut" are absolutely stupid. No. They wouldn't just get cut.

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Thing is, only 53 guys won’t get cut.

If you trade one of those 53 you are weakening that position, because he was better than the guys that were cut.

So you need to get really significant improvement at some other position, AND not get much worse at the position you traded.

But not getting much worse at the position you traded means you must be keeping a player you would’ve cut AND that player isn’t much of a downgrade from the player you traded.

So a prospective trade partner can just wait and get the guy you’ll cut when you can’t make a trade.

There’s a reason trades are not more common...

Ras-IR Dowling said:

It would best serve this offense if Michel was more involved in the pass game, to not tip off the defense when he’s in there.

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This was most definitely one of the areas that they wanted to hit on as a wrinkle in the SB, as they threw to him two or three times fairly early in the game. Unfortunately, it didn’t pan out as Brady didn’t get enough time.

I think Michel is going to be involved in the passing game much more this year.

n6249c said:

Thing is, only 53 guys won’t get cut.

If you trade one of those 53 you are weakening that position, because he was better than the guys that were cut.

So you need to get really significant improvement at some other position, AND not get much worse at the position you traded.

But not getting much worse at the position you traded means you must be keeping a player you would’ve cut AND that player isn’t much of a downgrade from the player you traded.

So a prospective trade partner can just wait and get the guy you’ll cut when you can’t make a trade.

There’s a reason trades are not more common...

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Trades weren't common.. But they've become more so in the last few years.. And there have been more than a few wrenches thrown at us by BB over the years..

Lawyer Milloy. Brandon Meriweather/ James Sanders. Richard Seymour. Logan Mankins. Chandler Jones. Josh Gordon..

Also, trades are taking into consideration future contracts of late.. Which is why I mentioned guys like Jones and Thuney who are on 1 year deals. Look at the depth they have at Corner currently. Gilmore, Jackson, JMac, Jones, Williams, Crossen, Dawson. Is the drop off from Jones to either JMac or Jackson moving into the slot really that much? And if it means giving the team better financial flexibility and not having to wait 2 years to start to see some return like it would with a 3rd/4th round (potentially) draft pick, BB could do it.

The problem with the whole "I'll just wait for the cut" is that the guy they cut might not be better than the guy the other team would be replacing. Perfect example is the Pats CB situation. If Dawson is cut, he's not likely to be going to any team as their primary Slot Corner. So there is zero value for the other team in waiting for him to be cut. Trading for Jon Jones, on the other hand, would instantly re-shuffle their CB depth, giving them a starting quality CB.

So, you'll have to forgive me if I put ZERO stock in the other guys claims that teams will wait for Harmon to be cut.. Cause that's not happening.. Harmon is so far ahead of where Meriwether/Sanders was it's ridiculous.

TheFlyingWedge said:

I think Jonathan Jones in a trade makes the most sense. The Pats are loaded with young talent at cornerback and Jones will probably set the new value at slot corner next year, surpassing Justin Coleman in the ballpark of $10 million, so there’s no chance that he’ll be back. A lot of teams would give up a kings ransom for him, (compared to what teams would give up for some of the other trade options) and a if a solid TE, tackle, or other position of need could be a part of the deal, even better.

By all accounts, Dawson has had an impressive camp and would likely step in as slot corner, while both Crossen and Williams show upside. I don’t think Bill wants to lose any of these guys.

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Dawson didn't have an impressive camp. Him playing safety now is a clear indication that Jones won't be traded despite him not being back next year.

And considering he would likely bring back a 4th round pick I don't see the logic behind it either because we wouldn't even get a better pick now

Patriots CB Jonathan Jones looking at big payday down road

Carrying over a thought from another thread...

Ebner

n6249c said:

No, the trick is finding a trading partner to deal with.

One that doesn’t expect to pick up value from the waiver wire without giving anything in return. Only reason another team might trade instead of waiting for the cuts is to ensure they get the guy they want. But there are going to be lots of players on the waiver wire so there isn’t a huge compelling benefit to trade instead of wait. Unless we plan to trade someone who is a roster lock, and that is just dumb because it would weaken the team more than it helps. And don’t argue that we could do that because there is a replacement in waiting ready to step in, if we have that and there’s no deal that replacement is likely on the waiver wire, so what’s the real benefit to the trading partner?

Remember it takes two teams to make a trade.

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A trade would be straight up, our position of strength (which would be another teams weakness) for theirs.

So say Harmon or Dorsett for a better swing tackle than The Skipper.

That sort of thing.