Jared Veldheer to retire

captain stone · May 7, 2019

SBLIII said:
According to PFF Veldheer and Trent Brown had the same pass blocking grade and allowed the same pressure rate.

From last season I assume? Interesting that they both have similar pass-blocking grades, though I wonder if LT (Brown) and RT (Veldheer) should be analyzed & graded as one larger Offensive Tackle group anyway.

Patriot Missile · May 7, 2019

Good signing. He’ll have to earn a role which is what I like about the Patriots. Read that article about Wise, or was it Guy? Made sense.

Good depth with someone who seems can still start on a pinch. Who knows? maybe even at 32, Dante can still develop the guy and get more out of him then expected?

BTTA · May 7, 2019

captain stone said:
From last season I assume? Interesting that they both have similar pass-blocking grades, though I wonder if LT (Brown) and RT (Veldheer) should be analyzed & graded as one larger Offensive Tackle group anyway.

Brown is now a RT as well.

jefmblrd · May 7, 2019

This is a good signing—one that provides some veteran depth behind the young tackles. Cannon is the only starting caliber tackle we have with considerable experience.

Deus Irae · May 7, 2019

captain stone said:
and in the mean-time, I'd have the numbers of Jermaine Gresham & Lance Kendricks close to the phone

No. And, whoever you are, stop using Captain Stone's account when he's not around.

FCB02062 · May 7, 2019

Looks like Isaiah Wynn is the offensive lines version of Malcolm Mitchell.... Why sign a jag to this much $ if Wynn is expected healthy

TheBostonStraggler · May 7, 2019

Good signing. A position of need filled with experience but far from, seemingly, a very high price.

Call it what you will

but every other positional grouping is on a sliding scale up HERE, while all alone in the corner way down here is TE.

Uptown · May 8, 2019

FCB02062 said:
Looks like Isaiah Wynn is the offensive lines version of Malcolm Mitchell.... Why sign a jag to this much $ if Wynn is expected healthy

Damn, give the dude a chance bruh.

primetime · May 8, 2019

BelichickFan said:
A little pricey . . . with "up to" likely being the key words.

Maybe in 2004, but in 2019 that's not pricey at all. $3.5m makes him one of the lowest paid veteran tackles in the league. Even if he hits all his incentives, $6.5m is still only barely inside the top-30 this year, and it's a one-year deal so there's no concern about dead money or anything. Best case, Wynn and Cajuste are declared ready by Scar and you cut him in camp and all you're on the hook for is whatever guarantees he got. At worst, he's a good backup swing tackle capable of making spot starts. Good signing.

primetime · May 8, 2019

captain stone said:
I still don't trust the depth/quality at TE, WR, 0/1-Tech, and SS/Chung Understudy.

If Ben Watson is serious about un-retiring, then I would absolutely give him a call...and in the mean-time, I'd have the numbers of Jermaine Gresham & Lance Kendricks close to the phone...I might even bring Maxx Williams to Foxborough for a face-to-face and try to understand what exactly went wrong for him in Baltimore.

At WR, I would bring in Pierre Garcon for a thorough physical (he'd set a good example for our young Mr Henry too)...I'd also inquire about Michael Crabtree, Jermaine Kearse (Jete stank and all), Dontrelle Inman & possibly Richard Matthews too.

At DT, I'm not a big fan of Allen Bailey here. I'm looking for somebody more stout like...Danny Shelton. He'll be inexpensive at this stage of the off-season, he already knows the defense, and he appeared to improve after his benching. Bennie Logan's another possibility...and maybe Mo Wilkerson, if he's willing to stay inside and do the dirty work.

At SS, there's not much out there now except for maybe Johnathan Cyprien & his recovering ACL. I suppose some of the depth issue here will depend on the progress if any of ObiWan. I'm really, Really pulling for him to make the 53. Malik Gant is another possibility I suppose, but there just isn't enough of the necessary athleticism in him.

Oh man this is like a hit parade of putrid or over-the-hill football players with maybe one or two decent guys mixed in

SBLIII · May 8, 2019

FCB02062 said:
Looks like Isaiah Wynn is the offensive lines version of Malcolm Mitchell.... Why sign a jag to this much $ if Wynn is expected healthy

He is as much a Jag as Trent Brown.

Plus Veldheer is a right tackle, Cannon is one concussion away from retirement.

BTTA · May 8, 2019

SBLIII said:
He is as much a Jag as Trent Brown.

Plus Veldheer is a right tackle, Cannon is one concussion away from retirement.

Exactly. Belichick once commented on how hard it is to get two good OT's, that the norm in the league is to only have one and always be on the hunt for a second.

The Pats have managed to have two good ones in most years, plus a rotational guy that would have started on some other teams. That looks like what they are set up for again. What's to ***** about?

captain stone · May 8, 2019

primetime said:
...Best case, Wynn and Cajuste are declared ready by Scar and you cut him in camp and all you're on the hook for is whatever guarantees he got...

Even if Wynn & Cajuste are declared ready, I still wouldn't cut Veldheer. I always want 4 OTs (+ 5 C/Gs) in my OL room.

captain stone · May 8, 2019

primetime said:
Oh man this is like a hit parade of putrid or over-the-hill football players with maybe one or two decent guys mixed in.

All I'm looking for is one or two more decent guys.

Froob · May 8, 2019

SBLIII said:
He is as much a Jag as Trent Brown.

Plus Veldheer is a right tackle, Cannon is one concussion away from retirement.

Yup, I think any season now Cannon will be done. I wonder how much guaranteed money we have left to pay. Love Cannon, but it's easy to see him taking one more bad injury and hanging up the cleats.

SBLIII · May 8, 2019

captain stone said:
Even if Wynn & Cajuste are declared ready, I still wouldn't cut Veldheer. I always want 4 OTs (+ 5 C/Gs) in my OL room.

More often that not we have carried 9 OL in the last 20 years. I expect no different this year especially with 2 rookie OL.

mgteich · May 8, 2019

captain stone said:
Even if Wynn & Cajuste are declared ready, I still wouldn't cut Veldheer. I always want 4 OTs (+ 5 C/Gs) in my OL room.

I usually agree with 9 OL's. I suspect that 8 is enough this year. We need the roster spot for the "extra" QB and/or RB.

BOTH Froholdt and Veldheer can fill at center. Froholdt more that Veldheer. We may be fine with these 2 plus Cajuste as our backup OL's. As usual, we can carry 3 OL's on the Practice Squad.

ralmat55 · May 8, 2019

Have any of us considered that even healthy Wynn is just not good enough to be a starting LT?

Think about it. Brown beat him out real quickly to the point that they were already working Wynn as a swing tackle in the 2nd preseason game when he hurt his Achilles. You would think they would have wanted Wynn to win that job and given him every chance to do so.

Froob · May 8, 2019

Kenneth Sims said:
Have any of us considered that even healthy Wynn is just not good enough to be a starting LT?

Think about it. Brown beat him out real quickly to the point that they were already working Wynn as a swing tackle in the 2nd preseason game when he hurt his Achilles. You would think they would have wanted Wynn to win that job and given him every chance to do so.

Hmm, Brown is a really good player though. Been very few OL misses.

50-yard-line · May 8, 2019

Kenneth Sims said:
Have any of us considered that even healthy Wynn is just not good enough to be a starting LT?

Think about it. Brown beat him out real quickly to the point that they were already working Wynn as a swing tackle in the 2nd preseason game when he hurt his Achilles. You would think they would have wanted Wynn to win that job and given him every chance to do so.

Brown beat him out?

He got hurt early in his preseason debut.

(Fun fact: he was blocking Michael Bennett when he popped that Achilles.)

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