Butler visiting Saints

Ivan · Mar 14, 2017

zipster9 said:
Texans are now interested in Butler. Potential 2nd round pick for him.

IMO - 1st round or bust.

Not a chance, a 1st plus a second if the Texans want him.

zipster9 · Mar 14, 2017

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports restricted free agent CB Malcolm Butler and the Saints have opened contract negotiations.

Rapoport adds the two sides "hope to strike a deal this week." There are not many other reasons for Butler to visit the Saints except to work on a deal, but this is notable nevertheless. The Saints would owe New England the No. 11 overall pick if the Patriots decline to match an offer sheet, but that is likely more than they are willing to pay. The two sides will likely try to work out a trade.

FoxboroFlyer · Mar 14, 2017

festy1986 said:
Is the Brooks trade official yet?

If so than screw this. Nothing less than number 11

Yep, it's been processed, and approved by the league office

The Gr8est · Mar 14, 2017

zipster9 said:
Texans are now interested in Butler. Potential 2nd round pick for him.

IMO - 1st round or bust.

Texans don't have a 2nd round pick.

That was the cost of getting the Browns to take Osweiler.

FoxboroFlyer · Mar 14, 2017

The Gr8est said:
Texans don't have a 2nd round pick.

That was the cost of getting the Browns to take Osweiler.

Thought that was a 2018 2nd in the osweiler deal

The Gr8est · Mar 14, 2017

FoxboroFlyer said:
Thought that was a 2018 2nd in the osweiler deal

I was about to delete my post. I think you are right.

XLIX · Mar 14, 2017

robertweathers said:
If you think teams don't negotiate with players that have signed the tender you are kidding yourself.

So let me see if I get this straight:

Butler is stupid because he has not yet signed the tender, even though there is zero chance in hell the Patriots rescind the offer. What he (and his agent) should do, according to you, is sign the tender (even though they gain absolutely nothing by signing it) and then negotiate illegally with other teams, hoping the Patriots are willing to trade him even though once the tender is signed, he has no ability whatsoever to force such a thing.

Ohhhhhhhhkayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

robertweathers said:
Teams wont give up a #1 unless they have certainty that the player will be happy and able to get them under contractual control

No fooling. That's why it's stupid to sigh the tender. They can openly talk to the guy and work out the deal with him before going back to the Patriots.

Froob · Mar 14, 2017

Please be right this time Ben...

Volin: Most likely scenario is Butler returns to Patriots for one more year

Sam Bam Cunningham · Mar 14, 2017

The Gr8est said:
I was about to delete my post. I think you are right.

Would love to see

NO trades #32 and #46 to Pats for Butler.
Patriots get both their first and second round picks back and this was likely the plan all along when Cooks trade went down.
This would be a great trade if it happens for Patriots.
Not sure if saints will agree to BOTH 32 and 46 however.

I am also hoping the headline tomorrow does NOT read, Patriots lose BOTH B butler and Hightower in FA. Just starting to feel that way. This whole thing has dragged on too long and resolution is coming soon....

WE ARE NOT DONE · Mar 14, 2017

Please can we all get it straight, it is Cooks, not Brooks, not sure if it is one poster, or multiple posters, but after reading it for the 5th time I had to mention it.

As for this subject I think I would be happy with 32 and 42 with us sending the Panthers' 3rd, 72 or whatever.

I love Butler, but I really wonder how much is him and how much the system. Even if it is 85% him and only 15% the system, I think it is time to move on and we can use those picks, and the long term money to improve the team more than signing Butler to a long term market value deal.

I would then offer Cleveland Jimmy G, #32, and our 1 next year for #12 and their 1 next year. If they decline I would settle for sending them Jimmy and #42 for #12, #33, and 2018 Texans 2nd. Which by the way is the 2nd the Browns got from Houston, not this year's.

Marqui · Mar 14, 2017

Sucks that Belichick is about to allow himself to get fleeced by Sean Payton just because they are buddies. #32 sucks as values for Butler, I'd rather just keep him this year and get a 3rd comp pick when he leaves. It's going to be even more maddening when then cap strapped Saints sign Butler to modest deal. This is Belichick's 1st big screw up in a while, Patriots have all the leverage and are about to get screwed. Now we have to call Revis's fat ass to have any chance of having a decent #2 CB this year.

50-yard-line · Mar 14, 2017

Deus Irae said:
If it goes down that way, it's quite possible that it's because it was agreed upon as part of the original trade.

Which would probably get both teams hit with a penalty (two teams Gotohell hates, apparently), because that would be illegal - the Pats would be negotiating a player who wasn't under contract.

Kontradiction · Mar 14, 2017

WE ARE NOT DONE said:
Please can we all get it straight, it is Cooks, not Brooks, not sure if it is one poster, or multiple posters, but after reading it for the 5th time I had to mention it.

As for this subject I think I would be happy with 32 and 42 with us sending the Panthers' 3rd, 72 or whatever.

I love Butler, but I really wonder how much is him and how much the system. Even if it is 85% him and only 15% the system, I think it is time to move on and we can use those picks, and the long term money to improve the team more than signing Butler to a long term market value deal.

I would then offer Cleveland Jimmy G, #32, and our 1 next year for #12 and their 1 next year. If they decline I would settle for sending them Jimmy and #42 for #12, #33, and 2018 Texans 2nd. Which by the way is the 2nd the Browns got from Houston, not this year's.

Clonamery · Mar 14, 2017

Froob said:
Please be right this time Ben...

Volin: Most likely scenario is Butler returns to Patriots for one more year

Been Trollin just retweeting Google.

Deus Irae · Mar 14, 2017

50-yard-line said:
Which would probably get both teams hit with a penalty (two teams Gotohell hates, apparently), because that would be illegal - the Pats would be negotiating a player who wasn't under contract.

The trades will still be legit trades. There really isn't anything for Goodell to look at.

Rdforty2 · Mar 14, 2017

WE ARE NOT DONE said:
I would then offer Cleveland Jimmy G, #32, and our 1 next year for #12 and their 1 next year. If they decline I would settle for sending them Jimmy and #42 for #12, #33, and 2018 Texans 2nd. Which by the way is the 2nd the Browns got from Houston, not this year's.

Wtf?

I don't think it really needs breaking down, but those are terrible trade suggestions.

RobertWeathers · Mar 14, 2017

XLIX said:
So let me see if I get this straight:

Butler is stupid because he has not yet signed the tender, even though there is zero chance in hell the Patriots rescind the offer. What he (and his agent) should do, according to you, is sign the tender (even though they gain absolutely nothing by signing it) and then negotiate illegally with other teams, hoping the Patriots are willing to trade him even though once the tender is signed, he has no ability whatsoever to force such a thing..

Ohhhhhhhhkayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

They did not sign the tender in the hope to achieve a long-term deal with NE.

When they start shopping with other teams it's irrelevant.

Hes not going anywhere until NE says so.

Not signing the tender does not change the status of NE's control of the player.

Im getting the sense that you might be missing the nuance of the situation?

XLIX said:
No fooling. That's why it's stupid to sigh the tender. They can openly talk to the guy and work out the deal with him before going back to the Patriots.

Thats my point. They are going to talk anyway. All the tender does is protect the player and the team. At this point, to BB its irrelevant if he signs the tender or not. If Payton wants Malcolm hes going to talk to BB anyway. If Payton wants Malcolm hes going to talk to talk to Malcolm anyway.

RIpats88 · Mar 14, 2017

Once butler realizes the saints wont sign him for any more than the pats offered last year he likely will come back for one year and hit FA next year.

He wants top 10 cb $$ and hes not getting it with a first round tender.

Bb has all the leverage here.

The Gr8est · Mar 14, 2017

festy1986 said:
Is the Brooks trade official yet?

If so than screw this. Nothing less than number 11

Did I miss something?

What Brooks deal?

Sfpat · Mar 14, 2017

zipster9 said:
Texans are now interested in Butler. Potential 2nd round pick for him.

IMO - 1st round or bust.

What a joke by the Texans. I would counter with Clowney for a 3rd

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