Sincere Question on the Clock loophole thing Bill exploited

[mosslost]

Question on the Clock loophole thing Bill exploited

So Since the clock was running, he takes the penalty, the clock keeps running after they reset.

So, Bill has them take a deliberate false start to repeat and keep clock running.

My question is, what if they kept doing it? Did Gase have to decline for it to work that way? If he accepted the penalty would the clock not reset? Sincerely wondering how many deliberate false starts and clock running they could have done?

 

[Kdo5]

I think it could have kept going on and on right? Gase was just too stubborn to realize and take the damn five yards.

 

[signbabybrady]

I too wonder why Bill didn't just keep exploiting it until Gase excepted or until the whole game was over.

 

[mosslost]

I think it could have kept going on and on right? Gase was just too stubborn to realize and take the damn five yards.

but if he accepted the penalty would the clock NOT reset is what I am wondering?

Like if it was a playoff game and Pats were up 3 at the other teams 45 in exact same situation with 1:45 on clock, could he just run the clock out this way?

 

[IcyPatriot]

Apparently his opinion on the issue is that the NFL should adopt
the college rule which is the clock runs on refs discretion in such instances.

 

[mosslost]

Apparently his opinion on the issue is that the NFL should adopt
the college rule which is the clock runs on refs discretion in such instances.

but right now, what is the rule if Gase ACCEPTS the penalty? Does the clock NOT run in that case?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Cant they call unsportsmanlike conduct if you repeat the same penalty a certain amount? Im not sure myself but i heard them talking it about during the steelers chargers game last year when pitt kept jumping offsides to try and block a fg. They did it 2 or 3 times and it was mentioned they might get an unsportsmanlike if they kept doing it.

 

[mosslost]

Cant they call unsportsmanlike conduct if you repeat the same penalty a certain amount? Im not sure myself but i heard them talking it about during the steelers chargers game last year when pitt kept jumping offsides to try and block a fg. They did it 2 or 3 times and it was mentioned they might get an unsportsmanlike if they kept doing it.

the question is whether the clock keeps running or not. I honestly don't know. This would matter if the other team had no time outs left, and there was 1:45 on the clock.

 

[signbabybrady]

but right now, what is the rule if Gase ACCEPTS the penalty? Does the clock NOT run in that case?

I'm not positive if the clock runs or not either but if they accept we at least get penalized and we would only give up so much field position.

 

[nextsuperstar]

I believe that with five minutes left in the game, the clock stops on penalties. See Rule 4, Sec. 3(f)

 

[sb1]

I too wonder why Bill didn't just keep exploiting it until Gase excepted or until the whole game was over.

This would draw a flag for unsportsmanlike conduct and clock would not run. I think this is a relatively new rule.

NFL rulebook:

ARTICLE 3. INTENTIONAL FOULS TO MANIPULATE GAME CLOCK
A team may not commit multiple fouls during the same down in an attempt to manipulate the game clock.

Penalty: For multiple fouls to run off time from the game clock: Loss of 15 yards, and the game clock will be reset to where it was at the snap. After the penalty is enforced, the game clock will start on the next snap.

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

Well, we did get to see Coach almost smile in a game, which is pretty rare. I can only remember a few times outside of winning the SB....Flutie's drop kick was one of the times

 

[mosslost]

I'm not positive if the clock runs or not either but if they accept we at least get penalized and we would only give up so much field position.

right but if there was only 1:45 on the clock and we had a 3 point lead, and it was 4th down, we could kill the clock if they had no timeouts? I just want to know if that is true, because that is a major loop hole if true. I mean if there was anything less than two minutes like 1:57 after the warning the game could be killed.

 

[mosslost]

This would draw a flag for unsportsmanlike conduct and clock would not run. I think this is a relatively new rule.

NFL rulebook:

ARTICLE 3. INTENTIONAL FOULS TO MANIPULATE GAME CLOCK
A team may not commit multiple fouls during the same down in an attempt to manipulate the game clock.

Penalty: For multiple fouls to run off time from the game clock: Loss of 15 yards, and the game clock will be reset to where it was at the snap. After the penalty is enforced, the game clock will start on the next snap.

ok so it is not really much of a loophole then.

 

[Urgent]

The rule above says "multiple fouls" implying that what the Patriots did, committing multiple different fouls, would result in a 15-yard penalty and clock reset.
We've seen other language saying you get a personal foul penalty for repeat delay-of-game - which is why the Patriots first ran a delay of game, then a false start.

In the language above, it specifically says "acceptance or declination of a penalty" which suggests no difference in treatment whether the opposing coach accepts the penalty relative to clock management.

 

[RobertWeathers]

ok so it is not really much of a loophole then.

It is a loophole with the respect the game clock can restart after the penalty has been declined.

To your point, its not a loophole if the zebras decide enough it enough.

My belief is that is when they huddled with BB and asked him to cut the crap and punt the ball, if he hadn't relented they would have assessed the unsportmanslike penalty.

 

[Joey007]

Cant they call unsportsmanlike conduct if you repeat the same penalty a certain amount? .

John Parry in the booth Monday night was actually referring to that as a possibility. He said “next time it could be of the 15 yard variety if he tries it again” or something along those lines.

 

[mosslost]

It is a loophole with the respect the game clock can restart after the penalty has been declined.

To your point, its not a loophole if the zebras decide enough it enough.

My belief is that is when they huddled with BB and asked him to cut the crap and punt the ball, if he hadn't relented they would have assessed the unsportmanslike penalty.

Does the clock only keep running if the opponent declines the penalty?

So imagine this scenario:

Pats winning a playoff game (or any team) 20-19

It's 3rd down, Pats have the ball at about their own 45 and it is after the two minute warning with like 1:45 left.

The opponent has no time outs.

We ran the run the ball, clock is running, so it gets close to 1 minute before we would "punt".

But we take the delay.. the clock keeps running? (does that only happen if the other coach declines the penalty, that is what I don't know yet).

So then it gets down to like 20 seconds, and you do the false start thing..

Can you kill the game off that way?

 

[mosslost]

"acceptance or declination of a penalty" which suggests no difference in treatment whether the opposing coach accepts the penalty relative to clock management.

this is huge then. It could be a way to kill a game off where they other team could have at least got the ball with a minute roughly. If that is available, I don't think the reffs could stop you on those first two penalties

 

[RobertWeathers]

Does the clock only keep running if the opponent declines the penalty?

So imagine this scenario:

Pats winning a playoff game (or any team) 20-19

It's 3rd down, Pats have the ball at about their own 45 and it is after the two minute warning with like 1:45 left.

The opponent has no time outs.

We ran the run the ball, clock is running, so it gets close to 1 minute before we would "punt".

But we take the delay.. the clock keeps running? (does that only happen if the other coach declines the penalty, that is what I don't know yet).

So then it gets down to like 20 seconds, and you do the false start thing..

Can you kill the game off that way?

If penalty is declined, clock runs and punting team can keep doing it until ref says cut the crap just like Monday night.