Andrew Luck Retires from NFL

[Ivan]

He quit. Period. The problem is people assume that is implying something negative about it.

Quitting smoking, quitting drinking, quitting jerking off in the bathroom stall at Burger King are all positive acts. So is quitting playing football when your body is beat up.

Doesn't make Luck a hero though. Just another person quitting something to better his life.

Disagree, quitting is a pejorative term, and it doesn’t fit this situation because he’s not leaving for a similar career that may or may not have better opportunities, or giving up out of weakness. Luck is ending his career as a football player, and that’s called retiring.

 

[Ivan]

The GDT should be taken with a grain of salt. I have said things like "If Ridley fumbles one more time I will eat my child" and not meant it

Bullsh.t! You definitely meant it. Don’t try to walk it back now.

A bet is a bet.

 

[Ring 6]

Retirement isn’t quitting, it’s deciding to move on. Luck practiced 3 times this year, and Irsay said he told Luck to put the final decision off as long as he could, Luck didn’t screw his teammates, Irsay did.

By definition retiring while under contract is quitting.
They are the same thing.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Bullsh.t! You definitely meant it. Don’t try to walk it back now.

A bet is a bet.

Honestly, he's probably a soft-ass Luck fan. Exactly what's wrong w this country. Too much talk, not enough cannibalism when push comes to shove.

 

[Simpelton]

Having a reason doesn’t mean he didn’t quit. Quit is a fact not an opinion.

Quit is an opinion because it's based on an unprovable assumption -- the assumption that Luck could have played 16 games of NFL football this year.

I don't think that assumption is particularly justified, or in any way accurate.

Quite frankly, once you let go of that assumption, and take a look at Luck's actual injury history, what's going on is very understandable.

Frankly the biggest question in my mind out of all of this is how on earth the poor guy made it this long despite being taken for granted and hung out to dry for most of his career

 

[Simpelton]

He quit. Period. The problem is people assume that is implying something negative about it.

Quitting smoking, quitting drinking, quitting jerking off in the bathroom stall at Burger King are all positive acts. So is quitting playing football when your body is beat up.

Doesn't make Luck a hero though. Just another person quitting something to better his life.

Exactly. He played football. Let’s have a little perspective.

Stupid argument.

 

[Ring 6]

Quit is an opinion because it's based on an unprovable assumption -- the assumption that Luck could have played 16 games of NFL football this year.

I don't think that assumption is particularly justified, or in any way accurate.

Quite frankly, once you let go of that assumption, and take a look at Luck's actual injury history, what's going on is very understandable.

Frankly the biggest question in my mind out of all of this is how on earth the poor guy made it this long despite being taken for granted and hung out to dry for most of his career

Quit isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact. It’s what he did.
Placing connotation on quit is an opinion which you seem to be employing.
I can’t help that. Words mean what they mean not what you think they imply.

 

[Simpelton]

By definition retiring while under contract is quitting.
They are the same thing.

They are not. Not legally, not ethically. The only thing they have in common is that you aren't working anymore.

"Retirement" is when you can't work anymore. "Quitting" is when when you won't work anymore. There's some overlap, but that doesn't mean it's the same thing

Example: my Dad was forced to retire early. He didn't quit. He had major depression that robbed him of the ability to do his job.

Both Dad and his office mates would have loved for him to stick around, and there were days when he could still do the work, but too many days when he couldn't anymore, and he decided it wasn't professional to take advantage of his boss's generosity beyond a certain point. And he was (is) still brought in from time to time to advise his replacement. But the pressure of doing it every day was too much for him. So he left so they could replace him with a business manager who could handle the work.

My opinion of what Luck did comes down to things we simply can't know. I don't know where he's at physically, and it sounds like he has some serious mental scarring that's interfering with his ability to stay on top form. I can't judge a guy who decides that in that environment he can't do what it takes to be the best QB he can be anymore and decides to walk away. To me, that sounds a lot more like retirement.

 

[Ring 6]

Stupid argument.

So out of all the people out there every day, soldiers defending our country, single moms working 2 jobs to take care of their kids, children facing gang violence and trying to stay clean, people fighting cancer, a family trying to make ends meet making sacrifices working extra jobs and struggling to keep their head above water, you find the millionaire who plays a game and makes a decision that he just doesn’t want to play anymore to be an exceptional act of courage?
Wow.

 

[Simpelton]

Quit isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact. It’s what he did.
Placing connotation on quit is an opinion which you seem to be employing.
I can’t help that. Words mean what they mean not what you think they imply.

You can play games with definitions all you want. Everyone, even you,knows that "quit" actually does have a perjorative connotation that may or not be justified. you know it too, but it doesn't benefit your argument to admit it, so you lie.

That's what you are, someone who would rather lie than admit that their argument, which they know is incorrect, is incorrect. A pathological liar in other words. and I don't have time for people like you. Welcome to the ignore list.

 

[Ring 6]

They are not. Not legally, not ethically. The only thing they have in common is that you aren't working anymore.

"Retirement" is when you can't work anymore. "Quitting" is when when you won't work anymore. There's some overlap, but that doesn't mean it's the same thing

Those are definitions you created that are not real.

Example: my Dad was forced to retire early. He didn't quit. He had major depression that robbed him of the ability to do his job.

He quit working. That’s a fact.
You want to attach a connotation to that which does not exist.

Both Dad and his office mates would have loved for him to stick around, and there were days when he could still do the work, but too many days when he couldn't anymore, and he decided it wasn't professional to take advantage of his boss's generosity beyond a certain point. And he was (is) still brought in from time to time to advise his replacement. But the pressure of doing it every day was too much for him. So he left so they could replace him with a business manager who could handle the work.

My opinion of what Luck did comes down to things we simply can't know. I don't know where he's at physically, and it sounds like he has some serious mental scarring that's interfering with his ability to stay on top form. I can't judge a guy who decides that in that environment he can't do what it takes to be the best QB he can be anymore and decides to walk away. To me, that sounds a lot more like retirement.

I’m sorry to hear about your fathers issues but you are confusing quit with far up because he couldn’t handle it.
They do not mean he same thing.

In any event there is no reasonable purpose on this board to fill it with posts of this length over the definition of a word.

Use whatever word you want. My point is I don’t find it courageous.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[Ring 6]

You can play games with definitions all you want. Everyone, even you,knows that "quit" actually does have a perjorative connotation that may or not be justified. you know it too, but it doesn't benefit your argument to admit it, so you lie. T

hat's what you are, someone who would rather lie than admit that their argument, which they know is incorrect, is incorrect. A pathological liar in other words. and I don't have time for people like you. Welcome to the ignore list.

Please go ahead and put me in ignore. You are too easily triggered by normal conversation.

 

[Ivan]

Honestly, he's probably a soft-ass Luck fan. Exactly what's wrong w this country. Too much talk, not enough cannibalism when push comes to shove.

His unwillingness to eat his child over a football bet speaks volumes about his lack of integrity.

 

[Ivan]

By definition retiring while under contract is quitting.
They are the same thing.

So you expect him to go play for the Allouettes.

 

[Ring 6]

So you expect him to go play for the Allouettes.

Huh? He is under contract to the colts. He quit playing football. Where is the confusion?

 

[venecol]

Brady is someone who never stops thinking about how to improve his game every way, including how to take hits (turn limp like gumby) and if possible, hit the ground with his non throwing shoulder. He has every little thing down to a science. The thing to me is that all of those minute adjustments and improvements occur because of his drive, his passion and love for the game.

Don't think that would be happening if you've mentally checked out of the game which Luck had done. Fortunately for him, he was wise enough, and courageous enough, to be honest with himself, and put his well-being above money and having to satisfy the unrealistic demands of a fanbase and a football team. He has plenty of other things going on in his life to look forward to, and I wish him the best.

I get the feeling he listened to his newlywed wife. Good for him.

 

[Ivan]

Quitting means you are done with your current job, retiring means you are done with that career, in this case Luck as a pro football player. It’s safe to say this was a retirement, just as Tedy Bruschi’s was in camp years ago. They aren’t “ quitter’s,” they are moving on.

 

[PatsWSB47]

STUPID ARGUMENT!

 

[Ivan]

Huh? He is under contract to the colts. He quit playing football. Where is the confusion?

In your head.

 

[Ring 6]

In your head.

No. I’m very clear.
Are you saying luck giving up football ranks high among the things you would label courageous?