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Is there a way we can actually determine this?

My feeling is KC did (as long as you don't count the correctly overruled challenges as breaks). Is there a way we can find out for sure or keep score? Maybe just talk over all the breaks both teams got and see which list is longer or had the more impactful plays?
 
They definitely got away with a lot more holding in the secondary, as well as a kelce pushoff that ended up causing Jackson to have to recover and be flagged for pi himself and a blatant opi that Dorset was called for earlier in the game. Both of those gave tds. The roughing the passer we got was nonsense, but I was expecting that to be defensive holding since his intended target was being mugged.

I did think there were a few spots that were *slightly* generous for us, but overall I think the home team benefited the most, especially with the discrepancy in pi calls. They didn’t affect the outcome though.
 
Both teams got breaks. Both secondaries were physical

Chiefs were lucky that Brady threw a redzone pick, Edelman had a INT bounce off his hands, and Pats went for it on 4th and 1 in the redzone (Chiefs had perfect play call, NE made sure to run outside on the next 4th and 1). That’s a 17 point turnaround

Pats were lucky with Dee Ford and Mahomes overthrow and 14 yard sack. That’s a 14 point turnaround.

The game was won in the trenches
 
Interesting. Last time we met in the playoffs, KC had a 38-22 time of possession advantage in Foxborough.

Brady put up 27 points in 22 minutes
 
Both teams. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is just wrong. The Edelman punt (non) muff was not so much a break. It didn't appear to touch him. The Hogan catch was the right call too.

The roughing the passer call for us was rather heinous but that's the only call that was BS which went in our favor.

We also got hurt with two long PI's by Jackson meanwhile they got away with a blatant pick that led to a TD.
 
Wasn't there a play where the Pats scored a defensive touchdown (or at least got a turnover), but defensive holding was called?

I'm trying to remember, but I'm old... also...





There was a fumble recovery by Hightower but I think they called both a roughing the passer on van noy and dpi on Jackson to negate it.
 
We got the biggest break: The W.

End of story.
 
I initially liked the refs calls in the game until that rtp call. They gave us a generous spot on one of Michel's runs but it wasn't even needed because we were still easily winning at the time and they hadn't adjusted to our run game at that point in the game. Then the refs just turned on us hard. We weren't allowed to run pick plays but they were and suddenly JC Jackson's coverage was too physical even though the Chiefs were equally as physical all game. If you look at Hogan's one handed catch, the db is on his back.

In the end, I placed most of my anger on us. If we didn't throw that redzone pick(not even close to being open btw), this game was well on its way to being just like the game against the Chargers last week.
 
Mugging of Gronk. Maybe we’re just so accustomed to that’s though, it seems almost customary at this point.
 
Wasn't there a play where the Pats scored a defensive touchdown (or at least got a turnover), but defensive holding was called?

I'm trying to remember, but I'm old... also...




Fumble that could have potentially ended the game, called back for a hold on Jackson I believe, totally unrelated on the other side of the field
 
I think it all comes out in the wash. Both teams benefited from ticky-tack calls in their favor, or non-calls the other way. I will admit it's much easier to move on if your team wins the game.
 
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They're still crying about two things:

1. Dee Ford offsides (Lowkey, there are people who actually believe this was the Patriots fault)

2. The facemask penalty on Brady
 
There was a fumble recovery by Hightower but I think they called both a roughing the passer on van noy and dpi on Jackson to negate it.
I just watched this play. The penalty was holding on Jackson, which was kinda iffy.
 
Someone grabbed Sony's facemask at the end of a run that was totally missed. Announcers didn't even comment on it even though you could see it live and in the replay. Haven't seen anyone mention it. I'm not overly upset about it but just put it in the "Chiefs got a break" tally.

Who cares. After 18 years of this run, I've come to believe the following is true:

1. Non Patriots fans will always say the Pats get all the calls. This started with the Tuck Rule, which was correctly interpreted and went against us earlier in the season against the Jets.

2. Non Patriots fans will always say that Brady overly benefits from roughing the passer calls. We know this isn't true and Bill Barnwell had a good article last week that quantified and dispelled it.

3. Non Patriots fans will say that Brady whines for calls all the time. I have definitely seen him complain to the refs, maybe more than some other QBs, but that's likely because the camera is going to show him more frequently than they will Sam Bradford or someone since it's Brady. There's no way to quantify it. Also he never whined as much as Rivers did two weeks ago, that was embarrassing. Also I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with complaining; he only does it because he wants the benefit of a 15 yard penalty. Wide receivers obviously complain about PI on any play where they don't catch the ball and nobody ever skewers them; it's the same thing.

4. The losing team will complain about the refs more than the winning team. This is universal. We do it here all the time (not as bad as Steelers fans though).

5. When people point to calls that affected the losing team, they rarely say "but the winning team had some calls go against them too so we shouldn't complain about it". That's because people are generally bad at forming rational arguments, although they are sometimes better when it comes to sports.

6. Very rarely do refs cost a team the game; there are almost always self-inflicted mistakes that had more of a negative effect than the refereeing. The Saints Rams game may be an exception but even then there were some bad decisions, play calls, and failure to execute by the Saints that should be kept in mind.

7. There has never been a time when the front office told the refs to call penalties against a team because they didn't want that team to advance. If that were ever found out, it would be the biggest scandal in American sports history. If you believe that, you should stop watching football; why bother if you really think it's rigged? This is also a lazy argument and annoying when people bring it up, and makes me discount their credibility in other arguments (example: Chris Stevenson).
 
on the roughing the passer penalty, Bradys helmet looks like it was wobbling did the defender catch his facemask or helmet i think you can see the movement if the camera is on Tom's left
 
Is there a way we can actually determine this?

My feeling is KC did (as long as you don't count the correctly overruled challenges as breaks). Is there a way we can find out for sure or keep score? Maybe just talk over all the breaks both teams got and see which list is longer or had the more impactful plays?
Who cares.
There is one winner and one loser and none of the other shlt matters.
 
Both teams. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is just wrong. The Edelman punt (non) muff was not so much a break. It didn't appear to touch him. The Hogan catch was the right call too.

The roughing the passer call for us was rather heinous but that's the only call that was BS which went in our favor.

We also got hurt with two long PI's by Jackson meanwhile they got away with a blatant pick that led to a TD.
In general I tend to agree with what you've stated with but one exception, "The roughing the passer call for us was rather heinous".
In viewing the replay, it's evident that the defender's arm struck or at least grazed TB's facemask causing TB to flinch and close his eyes with his head jerking slightly back. The facemask being part of the helmet, ipso facto, a hit to the helmet justifies roughing the passer.
 
nobody got a break.....it was a hard earned win for the winners and a tough loss for the losers.......they can try again next year and maybe things will work out better for them but I doubt it
 
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