Peppers trade rumor on the radio

[Box_O_Rocks]

I fail to see the problem with him being tall. Do they not make pants his size or something? When will the world stop discriminating against tall people?

When the big lugs stay out of the cookie jar.

 

[TripleOption]

1992 (Junior): He shared the Pac-10 lead with 16 sacks ... Led the team with 23 tackles for loss (99 yards) ... Earned first-team All-Pac 10 Conference honors ... Named Southern Cal’s Defensive Player of the Year ... Started all season at outside linebacker on the weak side ...

1991 (Sophomore): Played in nine games, starting eight at outside linebacker as a sophomore ...

High School

On the gridiron, he earned All-American recognition from Super Prep, Blue Chip and Tom Lemming magazines and was selected to countless all-star teams, earning all-city, all-state, and all-region honors as a linebacker in 1989 ...

Willie McGinest - Official New England Patriots Biography

OK, sport. So you think it's easy to move from a 4-3 Will to a 3-4 OLB? No easier than DE to OLB.

 

[TripleOption]

I don't know, I'm not a football expert.

Hands down, the most accurate statement I have heard all month.

 

[TripleOption]

The irony of your post being that you yourself talked about the hips in an earlier post and that hips are one of the things scouts look at with cornerbacks. Rather than dismissing out of hand what RayClay is saying, perhaps you could take a moment to think first.


The reality is that Peppers is 6-6 and weighs in at over 280 pounds...Thomas is 6-2, 270...McGinest is/was 6-5, 270... As you can see, Peppers would be oversized compared to those who've come before him. H

Just as not all defensive tackles can play defensive end, and not all safeties can play cornerback, not all defensive ends can play linebacker. Asking Peppers to do it is an expensive gamble, because he's not strong enough to hold up as a 3-4 DE if the experiment at linebacker fails.

Hips are ONE of the things you look at with CB. However, there are a host of other things that make a tall DB unwieldy and a tall OLB desirable (long arms, close down throwing lanes etc...)

I am quite sure that if you were the coach and REALLY pushed him, Pep could lose the whole 10 lbs he had over Willie to get to the target weight you want him.

I never said all could make the transition. Peppers could, he's special.

 

[RayClay]

OK, sport. So you think it's easy to move from a 4-3 Will to a 3-4 OLB? No easier than DE to OLB.

When did McGinest play LB?

Just answering your question.

So in your expert opinion, the fact that he played more linebacker than line in college, (plus high school) makes no difference.

Well, you're the expert. I'm just somebody posting on a message board.

 

[Patjew]

When the big lugs stay out of the cookie jar.

If only I knew that cookies made you tall I wouldn't be stuck at 5'9".

 

[TripleOption]

How you like the Odd? Thinking about putting it in for some test runs during some early practices with my flock of meatheads.

What is your base now? It's not something you should just try, but if you commit to it you will love it. You have to make sure you have the right kids in the certain spots, I can help you instead of learning the hard way like we did a bit.

Once the kids get the stunts down, they are in the backfield NOW; sometimes as the ball is being snapped. We played a Spread team this year that was rolling everyone; we beat them by 2 TD's both times (reg season and playoffs). In the playoffs our DE took the handoff from the QB (even though he was in the Gun ) and went about 50 yards for a TD.

It's a big play Defense (both ways, you know what I mean). It is the best way to stop the Spread (I am sure you see enough of that)

The kids love it because it is utter chaos for the other team and a lot of fun to play in. I was at a Clinic last week and saw a coach from a HS in West Virgina; he runs it and is very good at it. He has some drill DVD's and other stuff that hlp with the finer points...

 

[TripleOption]

Just answering your question.

So in your expert opinion, the fact that he played more linebacker than line in college, (plus high school) makes no difference.

Well, you're the expert. I'm just somebody posting on a message board.

4-3 OLB? Nah. Literally almost zero translation of skills, unless he was in an over/under front and had to play up as a 9 tech sometimes. Sometimes the 4-3 will adjust to 2 TE by walking up both OLB's into a 6-1 but you don't get a steady diet of 9 tech.

Hell, if you want to go on "back in the day", maybe we can save Maroney's cap hit and let Peppers play Tailback as well.

"during his high school career, Peppers played running back and defensive lineman, and finished his career with 3501 rushing yards, and 46 touchdowns, and was one of the most dangerous defensive linemen in the state. He also lettered in basketball and was voted All-Conference, as a power forward, for four consecutive years. In 1998 Southern Nash won the state championship in track for the first time in the school's history. Peppers contributed, as a sprinter winning the state championship in the 4x200 meter team relay and as a triple jumper."

 

[RayClay]

What is your base now? It's not something you should just try, but if you commit to it you will love it. You have to make sure you have the right kids in the certain spots, I can help you instead of learning the hard way like we did a bit.

Once the kids get the stunts down, they are in the backfield NOW; sometimes as the ball is being snapped. We played a Spread team this year that was rolling everyone; we beat them by 2 TD's both times (reg season and playoffs). In the playoffs our DE took the handoff from the QB (even though he was in the Gun ) and went about 50 yards for a TD.

It's a big play Defense (both ways, you know what I mean). It is the best way to stop the Spread (I am sure you see enough of that)

The kids love it because it is utter chaos for the other team and a lot of fun to play in. I was at a Clinic last week and saw a coach from a HS in West Virgina; he runs it and is very good at it. He has some drill DVD's and other stuff that hlp with the finer points...

Could you change that to "I don't pretend to be a football expert?"

After all, I did post quotes from Scott Pioli and Ted Hendricks and never claimed to be an expert myself.

I'm guessing you're not Scott Pioli, because he'd be rather busy now.

Unless you're Ted Hendricks, I know you're not a 6'7" Hall of Fame linebacker, because he's the only one. Just because you got proven totally wrong when you insinuated McGinest never played linebacker in college is no reason to get all pissy.

I do think Hendricks and Pioli had something to say about linebacker conversions and size and I'm assuming they are more expert than you.

I myself, never pretended to be an expert.

 

[RayClay]

4-3 OLB? Nah. Literally almost zero translation of skills, unless he was in an over/under front and had to play up as a 9 tech sometimes. Sometimes the 4-3 will adjust to 2 TE by walking up both OLB's into a 6-1 but you don't get a steady diet of 9 tech.

Hell, if you want to go on "back in the day", maybe we can save Maroney's cap hit and let Peppers play Tailback as well.

"during his high school career, Peppers played running back and defensive lineman, and finished his career with 3501 rushing yards, and 46 touchdowns, and was one of the most dangerous defensive linemen in the state. He also lettered in basketball and was voted All-Conference, as a power forward, for four consecutive years. In 1998 Southern Nash won the state championship in track for the first time in the school's history. Peppers contributed, as a sprinter winning the state championship in the 4x200 meter team relay and as a triple jumper."

He's quite an athlete. Are you suggesting we give him a few carries and see how it goes?

 

[TripleOption]

Unless you're Ted Hendricks, I know you're not a 6'7" Hall of Fame linebacker, because he's the only one. Just because you got proven totally wrong when you insinuated McGinest never played linebacker in college is no reason to get all pissy.

I do think Hendricks and Pioli had something to say about linebacker conversions and size and I'm assuming they are more expert than you.

I myself, never pretended to be an expert.

First off, F Ted Hendricks. He was a Raider, which automatically makes him a ****; he retired in the 1980's so he played in a very different time with 260 lbs Offensive linemen. His statement was one of those douchy Mercury Morris "my generation was tougher" things. It means nothing.

Willie Mac played some 4-3 LB in College. If you think just because it is called LB that 4-3 OLB and 3-4 OLB are similar than you are wrong.

Tell me, what exactly did Pioli say about "Linebacker conversions"? The only quote you showed me was one about DB's.

Here's your quote:

Scott Pioli, in an interview with Mike Felger of Comcast Sports Net earlier this year, addressed the size issue with cornerbacks, saying that size isn’t everything. Here is what Pioli told Felger: “Part of it is that the bigger a player gets - the taller or longer sometimes a player is - the less fluid they are in changing direction. When you're looking for a corner, they have to be reactive athletes -- to see changes, know what's going on, plant their foot, and drive toward the football. The longer, taller bodies have more difficulty being reactive type athletes."

He is being very specific in referring to Cornerbacks. You're way out of line.

Tell ya what, we'll call the Pats defense a 5-2 and Peppers can play DE. It's is the same thing, but maybe you will feel better.

Maybe we can call the countless players that have made the transition from college DL to NFL LB; Tedy Bruschi, Willie Mac, Terrell Suggs, Mike Vrabel, Kamerion Wimbley, Lamarr Woodley, Adalius Thomas, Joey Porter, Greg Ellis, Calvin Pace etc and let them know that you have decided that they could not succed. Also, we shouldn't forget to call the NFL GM's, many of whom intend on taking a DE in the draft to convert to OLB. The really should know that "Ray Clay" says it can't be done.

 

[RayClay]

First of, F Ted Hendricks. He was a Raider, which automatically makes him a ****; he retired in the 1980's so he played in a very different time with 260 lbs Offensive linemen. His statement was one of those douchy Mercury Morris "my generation was tougher" things. It means nothing.

Willie Mac played some 4-3 LB in College. If you think just because it is called LB that 4-3 OLB and 3-4 OLB are similar than you are wrong.

Tell me, what exactly did Pioli say about "Linebacker conversions"? The only quote you showed me was one about DB's.

Here's your quote:

Scott Pioli, in an interview with Mike Felger of Comcast Sports Net earlier this year, addressed the size issue with cornerbacks, saying that size isn’t everything. Here is what Pioli told Felger: “Part of it is that the bigger a player gets - the taller or longer sometimes a player is - the less fluid they are in changing direction. When you're looking for a corner, they have to be reactive athletes -- to see changes, know what's going on, plant their foot, and drive toward the football. The longer, taller bodies have more difficulty being reactive type athletes."

He is being very specific in referring to Cornerbacks. You're way out of line.

Tell ya what, we'll call the Pats defense a 5-2 and Peppers can play DE. It's is the same thing, but maybe you will feel better.

You're the expert. I'm just glad that you could find the time to share with us. I guess this is the only real down time for most Pro or major college teams.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The source of the "No you dumb draftnik we're NOT drafting a tall cornerback" frustration!

It's about time this gets out there. Now wait for the draft... and everybody screaming that now that Pioli is gone, we can get us a 6'7" corner!

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

The source of the "No you dumb draftnik we're NOT drafting a tall cornerback" frustration!

It's about time this gets out there. Now wait for the draft... and everybody screaming that now that Pioli is gone, we can get us a 6'7" corner!

I've been on the lookout for the 6'7" Cornerback, but the bastitches all seem to be entering the NBA out of high school. :enranged:

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

If only I knew that cookies made you tall I wouldn't be stuck at 5'9".

With my cookie jar experience, that is more accurately a prone height...

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

So after several pages of b*tching, did anyone ever figure out if Peppers can play OLB? :disagreement:

I guess i'll just wait to see what BB does

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

So after several pages of b*tching, did anyone ever figure out if Peppers can play OLB? :disagreement:

I guess i'll just wait to see what BB does

I'm still waiting for some stronger guesses on how the cap room numbers work out in order to trade Cassel for Peppers...one-to-one swaps with no tag equivalent room just doesn't seem like the NFL I know.

 

[bradmahn]

I'm still waiting for some stronger guesses on how the cap room numbers work out in order to trade Cassel for Peppers...one-to-one swaps with no tag equivalent room just doesn't seem like the NFL I know.

I don't know if the lack of precedent means it won't happen, but there are creative ways to get around the lack of room, if that's the only hang up to a trade. For instance (and this may be ****, if it is, I expect to be beaten bloody within the next few posts), the Patriots and Panthers could sign their respective franchisee's to long-term contracts with equivalent minimal signing bonuses (or no bonus at all) and a June 1 roster bonus that would serve as the equivalent of a signing bonus. The roster bonus is prorated and doesn't count until June, so it would be a non-issue for each team.

I would assume, if the rumor is true and he wants to be on a winner, Peppers may be content with a deal similar to what Seymour signed, short years with big money, nearly all of it guaranteed, but that would depend on Belichick's confidence in Peppers's ability to make the positional transition.

 

[patsfanofNC12]

I guess now we just wait and see, but I do feel the same as TripleOption in that Peppers most likely could make the switch.

 

[DW Toys]

I fail to see the problem with him being tall. Do they not make pants his size or something? When will the world stop discriminating against tall people?

Well played sir!
DW Toys