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  1. State

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    Besides the obvious--injuries--it's the piss-poor draft class a couple of years ago.

    As usual, Hey Bro is all over it. The 2006 draft class is an almost abject failure (the kicker saves it, Gostkowski) if L. Maroney falls to the third back, as I suspect will happen much of this season.

    The sixth-rounder was a head-scratcher since most NFL personnel people considered he lacked the requisite physical skills to even perform on the NFL stage.

    But some groupies here go apoplectic when one calls into question BB. Isn't he human, too?

    Ask Cleveland.

    Belichick is the best because he's the smartest. Others are as passionate. But brains=success. Take a look at the college ranks: Ohio State, Florida, and Alabama. Really smart guys.

    Rich Kotite they are not.

    But there are always stumbles along the way, whether it's Vince Lombardi, Bart Starr, Tom Brady or, um, I better gird my loins, Bill Belichick.
     
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    I think the past offensive WR and RB busts hurt our previous year's chances.
    This year the team will be very tough to beat.
    The only thing that could cost us the SB is something happening to Belichick.
     
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    Brady? Mayo? Those are the keys, too.
     
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    You are an excellent example of why the underutilized practice squad here should not be limited to posts. It should be used for posters who weigh the main board down.
     
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    It sure is fun to read the same post in several different threads.
     
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    No girding of loins this is a family site
     
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    State, you make this board feel like the movie Groundhog Day.

    "Rise and shine Patsfans and don't forget your cynicism cuz State's POSTING today!"
     
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    A post isn't invalid just because it is poorly worded (or because it uses 5 paragraphs to make a point that once sentence would make).

    Take a look at the 2006 draft, the Pats whiffed on nearly every pick.

    Maroney? Could've had DeAngelo Williams, Addai, Jones-Drew, or even Lendale Wight
    Jackson? Could've had Greg Jennings (I won't include Marshall)
    Thomas/Mills? Could've had Owen Daniels.

    More dissapointing was passing up one some defensive talent. The 3 picks before Jackson: DeMeco Ryans, Rocky Macintosh and D'Quell Jackson. Thomas Howard and Richard Marshall were also taken during that draft.

    So yeah, I'd label it a bust.
     
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    Don't be so harsh. All of us are getting antsy for a small tidbit of

    Patriot's news. The last transaction of note was the signing of

    Ohrnberger on June 14th.
     
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    this kind of 20-20 hindsight is meaningless........you can say that about every draft......dansby the pick after watson.......boldin instead of bethel johnson....coulda had aaron kampmann instead of rohan davey.......the list goes on and on.......

    maroney was a solid pick at the moment......it's not like they pulled a name out of a hat, and I'm not convinced its over with him......addai has had a moment, but right now, he's not in any better way than maroney.......

    look at the jets and gholston........but that is a pick they had to make......boom, bust.......some said the same thing about lawrence taylor and that was enough for the saints to take george rogers instead
     
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    I believe the thing that may cost the pats an SB is a non-existent pass rush......they have pieces in place in every other spot........the offense is set, they can run 2 TE sets the way they used to when graham was here (or close to it), and they also have RB depth

    the defense.....in the secondary, they have bodden who is looking for a big pay day, so you can bet he will be on his best which will be better than anything the pats have had since ty law......springs is solid.......they've added depth with chung and butler and still have wheatley and wilhite.....the DL is tough and deep.......even inside at LB, they can have a decent rotation with mayo,guyton,bruschi, and lenon........but outside at LB, after thomas, there's alot of prayers looking to be answered.......the have guys with potential in crable and redd, but the experience is horrible with woods and TBC....right now, if they brought colvin back, none of them are likely to beat him out
     
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    That's an attitude, not an argument.
     
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    I figure not many people are going to page 18 of a thread that makes a startling original and thoughtful insight.

    Disagree, people, with facts, not posturing and attitudes.

    UPDATE: I love that profound movie. Dennis Prager says he could never be friends with a person who doesn't like it. I can see his point.
     
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    I wasn't dissing the movie, I was saying every one of your posts has the same vibe.

    Look, I don't criticize BB for the 2006 draft, not because he didn't make mistakes (of course he did, and so did a LOT of other people). No, I don't criticize that draft for the same reason I don't criticize the two losses we had in 2004. Could/should we have won those games? Probably, we were clearly the better team, but no one's perfect. I wouldn't trade BB for any other coach.

    I'm not failing to see your point about 2006, I'm just failing to see how the point is relevant to anything in any way.
     
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    I believe another team beating the Pats in the playoffs is the biggest threat to them winning the Super Bowl this year. :rolleyes:


    My apologies for the sarcasm, but after the 18-1 season, I try to keep my sights on the regular season and game 1.
     
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    The 2006 draft class has been bashed to death here for some time now. We've heard it all a hundred times. Yes, the Pats picks have turned out poorly. Chad Jackson in particular was a mistake that other teams saw coming. BUT...before we simply declare 2006 a Belichick failure as State has done, how about a reality check? Did the rest of the league make out like bandits in the talent-rich draft of 2006, filled with can't-miss stars like Reggie Bush, Vince Young and Matt Leinart? Did the Pats make a goof for the ages by passing on fan favorites like Manny Lawson and Bobby Carpenter at #21?

    I've gone back to the April 2006 patsfans.com draft board and looked at the actual Pats mocks and wishlists:

    - WR as much as we all remember loving Greg Jennings, we conveniently forget that Jennings was just one of several WRs highly coveted by this board, including Maurice Stovall, Mike Haas, and...Chad Jackson.

    - RB there was zero consensus, at least half a dozen players had rooting sections here. But we all agreed that a day-1 RB was inevitable.

    - CB we were surprisingly united in our support for Richard Marshall. After him, no consensus at all.

    - OLB opinion was divided between Lawson and Carpenter, with some Greenway and Wimbley supporters. We all agreed that Chris Gocong would be a smart sleeper pick in rounds 4-6; he went at the top of round 3.

    - ILB had zero consensus, and wasn't a particular focus of discussion.

    - K was on everybody's list in rounds 6-7, no consensus on a player.

    Overall, I'd say a consensus fan draft would have looked something like this:

    1. Manny Lawson, OLB
    2. Richard Marshall, CB
    3. Jerious Norwood, RB
    3. Maurice Stovall, WR
    4. Mike Haas, WR
    4. Guy Whimper, OT
    5. Montavious Stanley, DT
    6. Tim McGarigle, ILB
    6. John Huston, K
    6. Ryan LaCasse, OLB
    7. Paul Pinegar, QB

    So there's a standard to weigh the class of '06 against. Verdict?
     
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    Every team misses with some... othwerwise, they're be 7-time repeating champs.

    Maybe 06 was a downer... but DeAngelo only busted out last year. Though few expect the same from Maroney, it isn't impossible.

    Recent drafts have been unusual, but not unproductive. The 07 draft brought us tonnes ! Moss, Welker, the "move" to get Mayo...

    08 brought Mayo.
     
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    I'd love to see how each of those choices might have turned out under a BB coaching staff aided by the veterans and locker room mind set that has developed since 2000. That said, the State of the messageboard has taken a bit of a down turn, hopefully things will improve once Training Camp stories start rolling in.
     
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    Even if, for the sake of argument, we were calling every pick in the first 4 rounds except the kicker a complete bust, the notion that the 2006 draft "may cost us the SB" is absurd. Every one of those 'bust' picks has already been replaced by Belichick.
     
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    True 'nuf, one coaching staff's trash can be another's treasure.

    FWIW, State himself was on the draft board in 2006. He wanted Carpenter in round 1.
     
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