Week 7: Pats win, but what about the offense?

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  1. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Apparently one thread is not enough, even after a win.

    Please post all of your insightful thoughts, viewpoints, breakdowns, dissertations, observations, scrutiny, rants, raves, and knee-jerk reactions about the OFFENSE right here.

    Have at it ... just keep in mind that anything you say can and will be used against you at a later point in time.
  2. Brady_to_Moss

    Brady_to_Moss Butler Island is here PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Identity on O

    Wonder when we will find it....IMO it needs to be found within 4-6 weeks Can't be like this going into playoffs...
  3. Cassanova792

    Cassanova792 Practice Squad Player

    Re: Identity on O

    McDaniels seems like he is shifting away from our 2TE formation of last year, which made us so dangerous and very hard to stop on offense. Granted AHern was injured but it just seems like he hasnt fully grasped how good our TE's are and that's a mistake.
  4. PatriotReign

    PatriotReign Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    Also the stupid amount of trick plays needs to stop immediately.
  5. JMarr

    JMarr In the Starting Line-Up

    Like a damn broken record year after year, but not having any deep threats will ultimately kill this team.

    This team has exactly one legit wideout. One. Branch is finished and doesn't count. Lloyd has been mediocre at best and certainly doesn't look poised to make any huge breakthroughs. This is one reason we're seeing an inordinate amount of trick plays imo.

    They better hope Gronk/Hernandez both can get/stay healthy and the O can get it done without an outside threat like they did for most of last year.
  6. furry

    furry Practice Squad Player

    Screen passes on 3rd and long make me want to break my tv
  7. Username

    Username On the Game Day Roster

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    I think Lloyd is a legit deep threat, but Brady seems to lack confidence in throwing deep. He's become so used to the short passing game that he seems reluctant to look downfield, even when receivers are open. He holds on to the ball too long, seems indecisive, and more often than not overthrows. To me, that seems like he has a lack of confidence in his arm strength and is overcompensating. Maybe his elbow is still hurting?
  8. Shed83

    Shed83 On the Game Day Roster

    Im not arguing your point because it might be valid but it certainly doesnt help that Lloyd has dropped at least 4 easy receptions that would have been for huge gains.

    For someone with brilliant hands Lloyd has dropped too many simple completions.
  9. Double TE

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    My 2 cents:

    - The offense was supposed to run through Gronk/AH but both are less than 100%. AH due to his ankle (will improve weekly) and Gronk due to his hip/back (bye week should help).

    - I really like Lloyd but other than him and he does not always make these catches Brady has NO ONE that he can launch a 30 yard pass to and just have the receiver make the play over a DB. He had it with Moss between 07-09 and we all saw how good Brady was when he had a player like that. I think Lloyd can still get there he had a couple of drops yesterday but my eye balls see talent.

    - The weather will get colder so the running game needs to keep getting better and better. Ridley/Vereen/Woodhead/Bolden are a formidable foursome with each bringing something slightly different to the table.

    - Lastly, the Pats O has been very good to great EXCEPT for when they have been in the red zone. That needs to improve and I believe once the TEs are healthier it will.

  10. dannydyn

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    As much as I hate that primadonna Plaxico Burress, he would have been a great outside threat to use. He has the height (and hands) that Moss has, and would have given us the true deep threat we used to have with Moss. Lloyd might be good (and that’s arguable from what I’ve seen thus far), but from a mere physicality standpoint, he lacks the height to go up there and snatch the ball from the sky.

    As for Brady hesitating…. I respectfully disagree. First of all, on ANY deep ball, you need to give your receiver enough time to get down the field. Secondly, I think Brady often times sees exactly what I described above – a mismatch between Lloyd and his covering CB. Lloyd had no chance in Seattle against those huge CBs.

    I trust Brady, but unfortunately for him, Moss is gone, and he no longer has a running ‘tower’ on the outside.
  11. PatsDeb

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    The offense is fine. To think a bunch of idiots were calling for Ryan Mallett over Tom Brady! All of those folks must be young people who don't remember what the Pats were like before they had a great quarterback. Bledsoe gave us a lot, but he always fell short. Before him, from 1986 forward, we had NO ONE. It is so hard to play QB int he NFL. When Brady leaves we are going to be back in that situation, at least for a while.

    It's the secondary that is going to kill us if they don't change the scheme, get some new blood or do something to cover for their weaknesses. Brady should not have to win every game by himself, but that''s what it feels like to me, and probably to him. Remember when a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter was grounds to head to your car on Route 1?! Brady doesn't erase 4th quarter leads, the secondary does.

    Go Pats!
  12. reflexblue

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    BOB threw the ball most of the time, he had a limited imagination and the offense lacked balance Micky D has a balanced attack but tries to get to cute to often. Of course hes putting in a new offense and it will take time for all the parts to mesh. The weekly patchwork offensive line doesn't help either.
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2012
  13. reflexblue

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    Making Sancheze look like one of the manning boys speaks volumes. Ryan always has a tough Defensive plan for the pats, but the pats don't normally make lil markey look so good.
  14. yukon cornelius

    yukon cornelius Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    the offense is not putting games away like it should.....if you think it's all peaches and cream on offense, you aren't paying attention

    two weeks in a row they get the ball with a lead with under 5 minutes.....and go 3 and out

    against seattle.....the D handed them drives that began inside the opponents 30 and they managed 3 points

    14 offensive points over 59+ minutes yesterday

    at least 4 WR screens yesterday, two in a row which were both futile

    a flea flicker where brady didn't pull the trigger on a wide open ahern

    how many missed badly deep balls the past two weeks alone?

    brady making more poor throws without pressure the past two weeks than i've seen in an entire season out of him

    the injuries aren't helping, but the o-line, which was such a big concern, is getting the job done.....but the offense has, at times, made life very difficult for this team
  15. PatsFan2

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    Great point..we are looking much like last year...as good as Lloyd's hands are he doesn't get much separation and have had his share of drops. We are going to have it tough going against very good Defensive Teams...so expect to games last yesterday. The Offense will struggle because that.
  16. PatsSox363804

    PatsSox363804 In the Starting Line-Up

    Brady threw 2 perfect deep balls to Lloyd yesterday that he dropped and another one in the middle of the field that he dropped. Lloyd could not have sucked worse yesterday. Brady had a pretty good game in spite of the 6-7 drops from his receivers. His one bad decision was the pass Cromartie should have picked.

    McDaniels needs to stop being cute and just let this offense do what it does best. I like the running game, of course, but the running game and may 1-2 shots down field should be an adjustment to the offense of last year. McDaniels seems intent on forcing the issue which is crazy, the offense almost won a Superbowl last season and only needed a minor tweak, not an overhaul. After Lloyds first 2 drops yesterday they should have stopped going down field to him, it isnt the strength of this team and he couldnt catch a cold yesterday.
  17. aluminum seats

    aluminum seats In the Starting Line-Up

    Yeah, I recall Simms saying the issue there was Brady didn't have time to get his feet set. I would think Brady's got the arm strength to get it out there regardless, considering how open the receiver was. Might be wrong though.
  18. ivanvamp

    ivanvamp In the Starting Line-Up

    Brady was a bit unlucky in that there were some good deep balls that were dropped, but he also missed some *WIDE* open guys deep. It's frustrating to watch guys like Sanchez and Wilson continually connect deep while Brady consistently misses guys down the field. I love Brady, but it drives me crazy.
  19. Shed83

    Shed83 On the Game Day Roster

    Double post
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2012
  20. Shed83

    Shed83 On the Game Day Roster

    That was a frustrating play to say the least. Hernandez was about 15 yards away from any defender - it would have been a massive gain but Simms was right there was no way Brady could plant his foot. There wasnt anywhere near enough time to get it done as the pass rush was already on him.
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