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1 - And what if Bodden or McCourty gets injured, what kind of depth do we have?
By that logic, the Pats should use 1A on a backup for TFB.
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1 - And what if Bodden or McCourty gets injured, what kind of depth do we have?
2 - Did BB pass Matthews because of the player that he was in college or did he know what he would turn into? We know BB passed on who he was, we don't know what he would do if he had a time machine handy.
I actually agree, it's definitely not the way I'm leaning. But I think the value proposition at the top of the draft is there for that position, so I'm not ruling it out entirely. (IMO the top CB prospects look much more elite than Ingram does.) But I hope and believe that DE & OLB will end up with good value alignments.
1 - And what if Bodden or McCourty gets injured, what kind of depth do we have?
2 - Did BB pass Matthews because of the player that he was in college or did he know what he would turn into? We know BB passed on who he was, we don't know what he would do if he had a time machine handy.
On CB depth, we would have Arrington, Butler, Wheatley and Wilhite. Not pro bowlers, but adequate defenders in our defense.
I think BB passed on Mathews because Mathews did not project well at setting the edge on running plays. If we were to play Baltimore and Mathews was at OLB for us, we would see Rice have a career day.
One reason I think BB passed on tons of USC talent over the past decade is because the Pete Carroll system does not produce the types of players that project well in BB's defense.
After BJGE and Woodhead's form the past few weeks... can you really say that you want to spend our 1st pick on a RB? I honestly have no idea who i would pick because this team seems to be solid (not great) across the board... and most are young developing players... i just don't know what to do with these picks hey
two positions I think we can upgrade are OG and WR. Pass Rusher would be nice as well. I am officially sold on the DE play and the RB play although I wouldn't mind a FA pickup at RB (Bradshaw/Brown/Williams)
i understand but with ninko playing well cunningham improving and TBC as a rush specialist... my point is that if that position was left alone we would still be good next year. Same with WR as we also have Price in his redshirt year. You are correct about the OG upgrade tho and maybe center... but once again there are no real glaring holes i can see on this team. Special when you add in Warren, Bodden, McGowan, Faulk and maybe even Mankins (who if signed shores up the OG depth)
After BJGE and Woodhead's form the past few weeks... can you really say that you want to spend our 1st pick on a RB? I honestly have no idea who i would pick because this team seems to be solid (not great) across the board... and most are young developing players... i just don't know what to do with these picks hey
Imo the outside WR play has been very spotty. Outside of a big broken play in two weeks, the Tate and Branch have a combined 8 catches for 98 yards. Branch is a little banged up once again so Im saying we should grab our future number 1 in the first couple of rounds or pick up a number 1 in FA. The depth isn't really there either, if Branch goes down we are in trouble.
OL has to start being addressed as well. I felt it was a pretty decent need going into this past draft, but it wasn't addressed. Light isn't getting any younger, Mankins looks like he's gone, Koppen gets blown up at the POA by good DT's/NT's, and Neal never makes it through a full year without getting hurt. Brady is getting knocked around way too much. I think you have try to work something out with Logan so Brady's blindside is protected well with Vollmer and Mankins down the line.
Besides, I don't like to draft non-LTs before rd 5 or so (well maybe rd 4 for RTs). Good ones grow on trees.
I can't speak for Peach, but it makes them college LTs whom Dante switched to new positions.Hmm, so that makes Mankins, Kaczur and Vollmer (who is, after all, our RT) bad draft picks?
I thought Pouncey and Mangold were well worth first-round picks at the time. A top-flight center makes your whole offense work better. Those two were clearly the best C prospects of the past 5+ years, though, and I don't see a player like that in this draft.
Hmm, so that makes Mankins, Kaczur and Vollmer (who is, after all, our RT) bad draft picks?
I thought Pouncey and Mangold were well worth first-round picks at the time. A top-flight center makes your whole offense work better. Those two were clearly the best C prospects of the past 5+ years, though, and I don't see a player like that in this draft.
Yeah, Mankins was a bad pick, at least in terms of value. I mean he was an excellent OG. But we almost paid north of 7 mil a year for a guy that's been replaced (and I would argue improved upon-less false starts now) by a guy who went undrafted. And Mankins is insulted Kraft didn't open the wallet even wider. That's what happens when you take a guy in the first. They expect to be paid like first rounders.
Vollmer may be our RT currently, but I have no doubt he's our future LT and I think he was drafted to be just that. Light's getting older, has increasingly bigger holes in his game and only had a year on his contract when Vollmer was drafted.
Kaczur has been OK, but nothing spectacular. We've had guys like Greg Robinson-Randall and Ryan O'Callaghan (4th and 5th rounders) do just as good a job at that spot.
Pouncey and Mangold are excellent OCs. No doubt. But remember, Koppen was a 5th rounder who has started from his second game as a pro (and we won the SB his rookie year). And up until a year or so ago he was playing at an elite level.
I'm not saying early round guys can't be studs at OG, OC & RT. I'm saying I prefer getting 95% of the production for a fraction of the price.
Mankins wasn't paid 7m per year. His original contract was 5yr/6.4m. Avg. cap hit 1.3m For a pro-bowl caliber player, that's tremendous value. Not only was it not a bad pick. Can't believe you said that. It was a great pick.
If you want to argue he's not worth 7m per. That's another debate. But, to call him a bad pick is so wrong it's not even debateable.
To clarify: The 7 mil per I mentioned is what I think we almost gave him in the offseason. And he wants more. Which doesn't surprise me. Guys who were first round picks like to be paid that way thoughout their careers. And he's been replaced by an undrafted guy who makes a fraction of that.
Even going back to his draft. He cost us a first rounder! Good OGs grow on trees. Dante and BB have proven it again and again. We didn't need to spend a 1st on an OG (and if I could find my draft day posts from that draft I was griping about the same thing back then). While I agree, 1.3 mil per from his rookie contract is outstanding in 2010 cap dollars (and wasn't bad in '05 dollars either) that money and 1st round pick could have gone to a harder to find position. And we probably wouldn't be having an OG hold out and get insulted because we don't want to set a new highwater mark for the position.
From a football standpoint Mankins was tremendous guard. I wasn't disputing that. From a business standpoint he was easily replaced by a guy making a fraction of even his (Mankins') rookie deal. I think therefore it's a pretty safe bet a lower round guy could have done just fine at LG had we not drafted Mankins (i.e. Mankins was a bad value then and especially at what he wants now).
Brady usually had all day back there against the Vikes. And that been more the rule than the exception this year. I'm not saying we should ignore OL in the draft, but to me it's waaay down on the list.
Besides, I don't like to draft non-LTs before rd 5 or so (well maybe rd 4 for RTs). Good ones grow on trees.
Yeah, Mankins was a bad pick, at least in terms of value. I mean he was an excellent OG. But we almost paid north of 7 mil a year for a guy that's been replaced (and I would argue improved upon-less false starts now) by a guy who went undrafted. And Mankins is insulted Kraft didn't open the wallet even wider. That's what happens when you take a guy in the first. They expect to be paid like first rounders.