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  1. patsfan-1982

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    #1 Carolina Panthers: Da'Quan Bowers, DE

    #2 Denver Broncos: Marcell Dareus, DT/3-4 DE

    #3 Buffalo Bills: Von Miller, OLB

    #4 Cincinnati Bengals: Nick Fairley, DT

    #5 Arizona Cardinals: Blaine Gabbert, QB

    #6 Cleveland Browns: Robert Quinn, DE/OLB

    #7 San Francisco 49ers: Patrick Peterson, CB

    #8 Tennessee Titans: Cameron Jordan, DE

    #9 Dallas Cowboys: Anthony Castonzo OT

    #10 Washington Redskins: Cam Newton, QB

    #11 Houston Texans: Prince Amukamara, CB

    #12 Minnesota Vikings: A.J. Green, WR

    #13 Detroit Lions: Tyron Smith, OT

    #14 St. Louis Rams: Aldon Smith, DE

    #15 Miami Dolphins: Julio Jones, WR

    #16 Jacksonville Jaguars:Cameron Heyward, DE

    #17 New England Patriots: J.J. Watt, DT/3-4 DE

    #18 San Diego Chargers: Adrian Clayborn, DE

    #19 New York Giants: Nate Solder, OT

    #20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Gabe Carimi, OT

    #21 Kansas City Chiefs: Justin Houston, DE/OLB

    #22 Indianapolis Colts: Mark Ingram, RB

    #23 Philadelphia Eagles: Mike Pouncey, G

    #24 New Orleans Saints: Corey Liuget, DT

    #25 Seattle Seahawks: Jimmy Smith, CB

    #26 Baltimore Ravens: Torrey Smith, WR

    #27 Atlanta Falcons: Muhammad Wilkerson, DT/DE

    #28 New England Patriots: Brandon Harris, CB

    #29 Chicago Bears: Derek Sherrod, DT

    #30 New York Jets: Benjamin Ijalana, G

    #31 Pittsburgh Steelers: Stephen Paea, DT/DE

    #32 Green Bay Packers: Akeem Ayers, DE/OLB

    round two

    #33 New England Patriots: Rahim Moore, FS

    #34 Buffalo Bills: Ryan Mallett, QB

    #35 Cincinnati Bengals: Aaron Williams, CB/FS

    #36 Denver Broncos: Brooks Reed, DE/OLB

    #37 Cleveland Browns: Phil Taylor, NT

    #38 Arizona Cardinals: Martez Wilson, ILB

    #39 Tennessee Titans: Jake Locker, QB

    #40 Dallas Cowboys: Sam Acho, DE/OLB

    #41 Washington Redskins: Mikel LeShoure, RB

    #42 Houston Texans: Leonard Hankerson, WR

    #43 Minnesota Vikings: Danny Watkins, G

    #44 Detroit Lions: Stefen Wisniewski, C/G

    #45 San Francisco 49ers: Jabaal Sheard, DE/OLB

    #46 Denver Broncos: Quinton Carter, FS

    #47 St. Louis Rams: Marvin Austin, DT

    #48 Oakland Raiders: Ras-I Dowling, CB

    #49 Jacksonville Jaguars: Christian Ponder, QB

    #50 San Diego Chargers: Kyle Rudolph, TE

    #51 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Bruce Carter, OLB

    #52 New York Giants: Curtis Brown, CB

    #53 Indianapolis Colts: Tyler Sash, SS

    #54 Philadelphia Eagles: Christian Ballard, DT

    #55 Kansas City Chiefs: Rodney Hudson, C/G

    #56 New Orleans Saints: Mason Foster, OLB

    #57 Seattle Seahawks: Luke Stocker, TE

    #58 Baltimore Ravens: Randall Cobb, WR/KR

    #59 Atlanta Falcons: Titus Young, WR

    #60 New England Patriots: Marcus Cannon, G

    #61 San Diego Chargers: Tandon Doss, WR

    #62 Chicago Bears: Marvin Austin, DT

    #63 Pittsburgh Steelers: Quan Sturdivant, ILB

    #64 Green Bay Packers: Joseph Barksdale, OT

    let me know what you guys thing ?
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    Pretty solid job overall. Comments:

    #5 Arizona Cardinals: Blaine Gabbert, QB - I think they need a pass rusher here. If they miss out on Miller, They'll probably go Quinn and look to get a QB later.

    #7 San Francisco 49ers: Patrick Peterson, CB - This strikes me as very low. I think he'll land in the top 4. The one guy literally every team could use.

    #8 Tennessee Titans: Cameron Jordan, DE - Seems high after taking Morgan at #14 last year.

    #9 Dallas Cowboys: Anthony Castonzo OT - They've talked about moving up for Peterson, so Amukamara could be the call.

    #12 Minnesota Vikings: A.J. Green, WR - Given Rice's status, this could happen if Green somehow falls this far.

    #15 Miami Dolphins: Julio Jones, WR - I like the fact you don't have Ingram going here.

    #16 Jacksonville Jaguars:Cameron Heyward, DE - This seems likely, at least the position.

    #17 New England Patriots: J.J. Watt, DT/3-4 DE - I think this is the consensus right now if 1) Watt is available and 2) Patriots make the pick

    #18 San Diego Chargers: Adrian Clayborn, DE - Doesn't seem to fit their defense. They tend to have bulkier guys on the ends.

    #21 Kansas City Chiefs: Justin Houston, DE/OLB - This seems to be a position of relative strength for them, plus Houston's stock is really low for 3-4 teams right now.

    #22 Indianapolis Colts: Mark Ingram, RB - No. I think you can guarantee them an OT here.

    #23 Philadelphia Eagles: Mike Pouncey, G - Strong possibility

    #28 New England Patriots: Brandon Harris, CB - I like Harris, but don't expect him to be a BB 1st round pick given the roster, unless Butler is traded.

    #29 Chicago Bears: Derek Sherrod, DT - He's an OT, and yes, the Bears need one badly. They also need a DT too, so either way so could be right.


    round two

    #33 New England Patriots: Rahim Moore, FS - Don't see the point of a FS here, and I don't find Moore to be a talent worthy of this draft slot. I put the odds of this pick being traded at 80%.

    #41 Washington Redskins: Mikel LeShoure, RB - I expect his stock to fall greatly between now and the draft, to about 4th round territory. That being said, the Redskins would probably be one of the teams interested.

    #43 Minnesota Vikings: Danny Watkins, G - I like the idea of keeping the Canadian in Canada South. I like him in Foxboro better.

    #49 Jacksonville Jaguars: Christian Ponder, QB - I think he goes much higher -- In the 22-34 range.

    #50 San Diego Chargers: Kyle Rudolph, TE - Good value down here.

    #51 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Bruce Carter, OLB - Too high.

    #53 Indianapolis Colts: Tyler Sash, SS - Way too high.

    #60 New England Patriots: Marcus Cannon, G - Doesn't fit the NE profile at all...fat, sloppy, and slow-footed.

    #62 Chicago Bears: Marvin Austin, DT - The Rams took him 15 picks ago.

    #63 Pittsburgh Steelers: Quan Sturdivant, ILB - Too high and isn't a Pittsburgh-type player. Seems more of the Indy/Tampa type.

    Just one non-expert's early-March opinion. Thanks for putting it out there.
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    Dryheat, your about the only one who consistently states the trade of a pick. I agree with you 100%. I couldn't imagine next years draft without an extra pick. I'm curious tho, what do you think is the difference in what we receive in trading (33 or 60) the two second round picks?
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    33 is an ideal pick for trading to receive a 2012 first, because it would let, for example, a team that didn't get the QB they needed in the first round take the best remaining QB (in their book) before anyone else can grab him.

    I could see the Pats getting a 2012 1 + 2011 3 for that pick.

    If the Pats trade 33 away, I have a hard time seeing them trade down from 60, since the compensation just wouldn't be worth it. I could certainly see them trading 74 or especially 92; in the past four years they have traded FIVE third-round picks into future years for seconds* the next year.

    [*Okay, so they got a third when they did it with Jokeland. But even Al Davis understood Jokeland was going to suck the next year.]
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    #24 Jersey

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    #37 Jersey

    I think you did a pretty decent job addressing other teams needs, but failed on the Patriots picks. CB and FS (and a reach at that) prior to drafting a pass rusher? I agree with Dry Heat that Cannon does not fit the Patriots o-line profile.
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    #15 Jersey

    You mean like Carolina, lol.
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    Nice overall effort. This draft is so hard to predict even in the top 5!

    There is no clear cut #1 pick.
    Almost all the teams in the top 5 need a QB, but who will actually pick one?
    Half the teams in the top 6 are in the process of switching defensive fronts.
    There are about half dozen defensive front 7 players worthy of a top 10 pick, but who likes whom?
    The best overall player is a CB, but who will go for him?
    And then there are the possible trades to consider.

    I will be very surprised if anybody out there gets 7 of the top 10 picks correct.
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    Where is Ryan Kerrigan?

    Put him in at #28 or #33 and I could live with that....
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    Good catch, that throws things off a bit.

    I seem to be in the minority, but I'm fine with CB Harris at #28 if they get a DE like Watt at #17. Solid value, and he looks like an NE CB to me. Moore -- especially AFTER Harris -- is another story.

    As for trades into 2012, I fully expect to see at least 1. I just can't know which picks at this point, it all depends on who's on the board. E.g. I'd leap on Watt in this scenario, but if he were gone I'd trade down from #17. Etc.
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    FWIW, the sweet spot for trading into 2012 appears to be the third round (especially the second half thereof); the Pats have traded FIVE third-rounders for next-year picks in the last four years.
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    Including the magical self-regenerating #89! Agreed, and it seems especially likely in this year where the talent dropoff in the 3rd could send a lot of teams scurrying to grab that one last guy.
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    If AJ Green was there at #12, i'd trade up for him.
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    This.

    I'm guessing that the bidding for the #33 starts at "2012 1st rounder" and goes up from there.
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    I disagree. With all night to think about it, coupled with the extra holes in many teams caused by the shortened FA signing period, there will be a number of teams competing for that pick. Throw in the fact that a 2012 first rounder could potentially be just one pick higher than 33 and it is hard to imagine the bidding starting at anything less than a 2012 1st and 4th.

    This draft class may not be the deepest, but because of the NFL's unique situation, draft picks this year have a much inflated value. Years from now, we're going to look back at the 10-11 (12?) drafts as BB's masterpiece. When teams consistently, carefully plan for the future for long enough, it really starts to pay off.
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    Just my back seat driver opinions:

    #1 Carolina Panthers: Da'Quan Bowers, DE

    #2 Denver Broncos: Marcell Dareus, DT/3-4 DE

    .......If the rookie cap is applied to this draft and Carolina and Denver want DE/DTs, they would be crazy not to try and move back 5-10 slots and gain picks. The drop off in quality is less than an extra solid piece they could add

    #3 Buffalo Bills: Von Miller, OLB

    .......Cap or no cap, Miller is a smallish LB at a position that usually takes time to develop. The Bills should pay attention to the affect Revis has had on the Jets D and how this D has bothered Brady and the Patriots....answer....Peterson DB...best athlete in the draft IMO

    #4 Cincinnati Bengals: Nick Fairley, DT

    #5 Arizona Cardinals: Blaine Gabbert, QB

    #6 Cleveland Browns: Robert Quinn, DE/OLB

    #7 San Francisco 49ers: Patrick Peterson, CB

    .......If SF doesn't go QB at this pick, the 5-6 teams ahead will block them out in the 2nd

    #8 Tennessee Titans: Cameron Jordan, DE

    #9 Dallas Cowboys: Anthony Castonzo OT

    ........Best DB on the board

    #10 Washington Redskins: Cam Newton, QB

    I hope this is the pick....excellent future comedy. I see Hayneswoth as mentor/icon

    #11 Houston Texans: Prince Amukamara, CB

    #12 Minnesota Vikings: A.J. Green, WR

    .......I agree that Green slides out of top 10

    #13 Detroit Lions: Tyron Smith, OT

    #14 St. Louis Rams: Aldon Smith, DE

    .....This will be an WR pick

    #15 Miami Dolphins: Julio Jones, WR

    ......at least you didn't pick Ingram. No chance they go WR or RB. I see a trade back to early 20's for a QB

    #16 Jacksonville Jaguars:Cameron Heyward, DE

    #17 New England Patriots: J.J. Watt, DT/3-4 DE

    #18 San Diego Chargers: Adrian Clayborn, DE

    #19 New York Giants: Nate Solder, OT

    #20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Gabe Carimi, OT

    #21 Kansas City Chiefs: Justin Houston, DE/OLB

    .......Pioli never went OLB/DE this early...and won't for a guy whose production doesn't match this slot...D line

    #22 Indianapolis Colts: Mark Ingram, RB

    ......O line

    #23 Philadelphia Eagles: Mike Pouncey, G

    #24 New Orleans Saints: Corey Liuget, DT

    #25 Seattle Seahawks: Jimmy Smith, CB

    #26 Baltimore Ravens: Torrey Smith, WR

    #27 Atlanta Falcons: Muhammad Wilkerson, DT/DE

    #28 New England Patriots: Brandon Harris, CB

    .......interesting discussion recently by S Florida sports show.....how poorly coached the Hurricanes players have been recently and how they get drafted lower but break out to the upside in the pros. I don't see need or production. I hope BB moves up a few spots to address need....Wilkerson or Pouncy

    #29 Chicago Bears: Derek Sherrod, DT

    ....Sherrod is OT

    #30 New York Jets: Benjamin Ijalana, G

    #31 Pittsburgh Steelers: Stephen Paea, DT/DE

    #32 Green Bay Packers: Akeem Ayers, DE/OLB

    round two

    #33 New England Patriots: Rahim Moore, FS

    ....major trading chip for 2012. If the choice is adding a safety to an already deep roster or getting a # 1 in '12 plus a mid rounder.....trade it

    #34 Buffalo Bills: Ryan Mallett, QB

    ........major roll of the dice with this guy. Can't see the Bills expecting this guy to succeed vs disciplined defences of AFC East

    #35 Cincinnati Bengals: Aaron Williams, CB/FS

    #36 Denver Broncos: Brooks Reed, DE/OLB

    #37 Cleveland Browns: Phil Taylor, NT

    #38 Arizona Cardinals: Martez Wilson, ILB

    #39 Tennessee Titans: Jake Locker, QB

    #40 Dallas Cowboys: Sam Acho, DE/OLB

    #41 Washington Redskins: Mikel LeShoure, RB

    #42 Houston Texans: Leonard Hankerson, WR

    #43 Minnesota Vikings: Danny Watkins, G

    #44 Detroit Lions: Stefen Wisniewski, C/G

    #45 San Francisco 49ers: Jabaal Sheard, DE/OLB

    #46 Denver Broncos: Quinton Carter, FS

    #47 St. Louis Rams: Marvin Austin, DT

    #48 Oakland Raiders: Ras-I Dowling, CB

    #49 Jacksonville Jaguars: Christian Ponder, QB

    .......I expect Ponder to goe much earlier

    #50 San Diego Chargers: Kyle Rudolph, TE

    #51 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Bruce Carter, OLB

    #52 New York Giants: Curtis Brown, CB

    #53 Indianapolis Colts: Tyler Sash, SS

    #54 Philadelphia Eagles: Christian Ballard, DT

    #55 Kansas City Chiefs: Rodney Hudson, C/G

    #56 New Orleans Saints: Mason Foster, OLB

    #57 Seattle Seahawks: Luke Stocker, TE

    #58 Baltimore Ravens: Randall Cobb, WR/KR

    #59 Atlanta Falcons: Titus Young, WR

    #60 New England Patriots: Marcus Cannon, G

    #61 San Diego Chargers: Tandon Doss, WR

    #62 Chicago Bears: Marvin Austin, DT

    #63 Pittsburgh Steelers: Quan Sturdivant, ILB

    #64 Green Bay Packers: Joseph Barksdale, OT

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    Very good work and hard to do. I have my ideas and like Dry Heat, I see trades but a little different this year. This will be the big unknown with new rules dictated by a new CBA. I am still a adamant advocate of using these chips to help this Team in 2011. Who knows about 2012, 2013 etc. Injuries and defections play a big part. I am mostly interested in how the acquisition of new players helps this Team to win a SB in 2011. Honestly it takes three years to evaluate and as I have said many times, only a 17% chance as per average of every NFL Team that the player drafted will become a top tier contributor to said Team, not a JAG or roster filler or out of the League.
    I will give this a stab soon....with trades!
    DW Toys
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    thanks for the info and i agree with you if the draft turns out someing like that i think the pats will trade #33
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    funny that picture made me LMAO
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    Comments on Pats selections:

    Watt at 17 is great pick;

    No big problem with Harris at 28 but if Ayers available he would be my choice;

    Big problem with safety being taken at 33. Harris should still be available after Ayers taken at 28, but I would suggest taking Hankerson at 33. Hankerson will be the big, home run hitting receiver we need to make the passing game unstoppable.

    Later picks can focus on OL and CB.
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