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  1. juny

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    I couldn't get past his initial rant, but he took lots of cheap shots against the Patriots. Calling the defensive line dirty all because of one finger poke, calling them too pass happy even though all the recent rule changes favors the passing game more than ever. I don't mind his columns, even though he goes over the top (buck-like), but today's column was terrible.
     
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    Who are you talking about?
     
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    Tuesday morning quarterback on ESPN.
     
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    I fixed it for you.


    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/080101&sportCat=nfl
    (I hated giving the link so he gets hits but ......)

    >>>In fact, the NFL's passing yardage leader has never gone on to win the Super Bowl in the same season.<<<<


    2006 Drew Brees Saints 4418 Lost NFC championship
    What he fails to mention is that just last year, Manning had 4397 yards, 21 behind Brees...

    Oh and 3 of the last 11 who failed to win the Super Bowl lost to Patriot teams, '96 Jaguars, '01 Rams and '04 Colts....
     
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    I printed it out, but my bird won't even sh1t on it.
     
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    These guys never realize that football is a team game. None of those teams he mentions as great passing teams had the #2 defense in the NFL.
     
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    Here's his biggest mistake, which is one that you will often find in various forms during NFL talk:

    "You have to be able to run the football to win the Super Bowl"

    Two points: The Pats do run the ball, and they also are capable of breaking molds that have been cast by other teams.

    Third point: It's only generally usefull to know that teams that can't run the ball don't win the big one. It's not actually a hard rule. Eventually all these "rules" that people dream up by back-engineering stats break down.

    This team has broken down many rules, and broken many molds. Anybody that wants to pick against them because of generalized rules is a fool.
     
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    Make a New Year's resolution never to read Gregg Easterbrook again. He's insane.
     
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    usually, i find him pretty funny when i ignore the pats parts, but the entire article was trash this week. just plain terrible. i lost count of the things that he referred to as facts that were completely wrong.
     
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    "When New England called exactly the same thing on the next down, cornerback Aaron Ross simply let Moss go,"

    Sorry, Greg, that was not "exactly" the same thing on the next down.
     
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    He also fails to point out that the way a lot of teams accumulate huge passing yardage is when they are playing from behind, trying to come back against softer "prevent" defenses. The Pats have played from ahead for most of the year. Their passing yardage isn't garbage time yardage when they're not in control of the game.
     
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    'Still, the rule stipulates that NFL teams must try to win, and, in a consequential game, Indianapolis did not try to win.'

    The Colts are cheaters!!! Where's the Tony Dungy witch hunt? :cool:
     
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    I accidentally clicked on that ESPN article before, and then just saw this thread because I was about to make a new thread to write about this hack.

    Greg Easterbrook is maybe even a bigger moron than Peter King is, and that is saying a lot. He gleefully keeps repeating his one point, which is that the NFL passing leader has never won the Superbowl, and he thinks it's ground-breaking information. Is this stat even that surprising? There are 32 football teams, and the chance that any football team will win is barely over 3%. Football is a TEAM game; having one star passer cannot carry a team to a championship. In fact, oftentimes the leading passer had so many yards because his defense was terrible or his running attack was weak, indicative of a non-elite team.

    Why didn't Easterbrook look up similar stats for the league's leading rusher, or the league's leading rushing team, and see their success in the playoffs? I have seen those stats on Football Outsiders and they are equally crappy in terms of winning championships.

    Point is, it requires a TEAM that is good at multiple aspects of the game. It requires balance in being able to run a little, pass a little, or stop the run/pass, basically whatever is necessary in crucial moments.

    What this moron Easterbrook is overlooking is that our running attack is also strong, and our defense and special teams are stong too. We are a COMPLETE team.

    Here's a stat for you Easterbrook: no other team in NFL history has had a perfect 16 regular season game record, thrown for more touchdown passes, or scored more points in NFL history. So I'd throw history out the window on this one.
     
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    Easterbrook is either a complete moron or didn't even watch the game.

    The previous play was a PLAY ACTION pass, the TD score was a totally different play that was designed for Wes Welker and because he was double covered, Brady found Moss on the sideline.

    Why is Easterbrook still employed? The guy is terrible at his profession. I bet tens of thousands of people could do a better job than this guy does.
     
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    Here's another reason he's disingenuous and the article is crap.
    In the last 25 years, all those teams cited that led the league in passing had below average running games. Until this year when the Pats were 13th in the league in total rushing yards (top half obviously) only ONE of the teams that led the league in passing had a rushing game in the top half of the league in terms of total rushing yards. That team was the 2001 Rams who were 5th (not so greatest show on turf)and were defeated by a Bill Belichick team. All the rest 24/25 were below the norm....with an average leaguewide rank of 21st.
    2007 NE 13th** top half
    2006-NO 19th
    2005-NE 24th
    2004-Miami 31st
    2003-Indy 19th
    2002-Oak 18th
    2001-StL 5th***top half
    2000-Indy 16th(31 teams so it's not top half but midpoint)
    1999-Car 20th
    1998-GB 25th
    1997-Oak 23rd (30 teams)
    1996-Jax 17th
    1995-GB 26th
    1994-NE 27th
    1993-DEN 18th
    1992-Mia 24th
    1991-Hou 23rd (28 teams)
    1990-HOU 24th
    1989-GB 20th
    1988-MIA 28th
    1987-Cardinals 15th
    1986-Miami 25th
    1985-Mia 18th
    1984-MIA 16
    1983-GB 21st
     
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    Yeah, that was pretty bad given the stress BB placed at the press conference at it having been, in fact, totally different.
     
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    "Indianapolis and New England outscored their opponents by a combined 503 points."

    Don't mention that 315 of those are New England's. It's all about getting Indy in there. Jackass.
     
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    Change the Charles Rule: It's illegal to chuck a receiver beyond 5 yards of the line of scrimmage -- TMQ contends that calling this the "charles" rule would be more dignified. Illegal chuck is a five-yard penalty and automatic first down; the automatic first down is too much reward to the offense for what is often minor contact. Example: With Jersey/A leading 7-3, New England faced third-and-14; Tom Brady was sacked for an 8-yard loss, making the situation fourth-and-22. But Giants cornerback Corey Webster was called for an illegal charles, and suddenly the Patriots had first-and-10. They scored on the renewed possession to take a 10-7 lead and ultimately won by three. There was contact between Webster and the receiver maybe 6 or 7 yards beyond the line, but the contact was minor and only slightly beyond the legal contact zone. Yet the reward to New England was huge -- fourth-and-long in Patriots territory became first down in Giants' territory, a game-changing moment. Illegal charles should be 5 yards and replay the down, but no automatic first down; the rule as written is too generous to the offense. Remember, zebras call pass interference whenever the defender really slams a receiver. When the two merely make brief contact, the offense should not be rewarded with a first down.

    Rules note: it was Giants 28, Patriots 16 when linebacker Gerris Wilkinson was called for pass interference against Randy Moss in the end zone, placing New England on the Jersey/A 1; the touchdown made it 28-23 and was key to the Flying Elvii comeback. I didn't see any pass interference on this play, did you? Wilkinson ran in front of Moss and held his hands up, facing away from the ball, but didn't hit Moss. Where was the pass interference? NFL Network announcers Bryant Gumbel and Cris Collinsworth declared that the penalty was for faceguarding. But the rule against faceguarding was abolished in 2005! When Collinsworth played, what Wilkinson did was illegal; now, it's perfectly legal. Once again, the Patriots benefit from a mysterious major officiating call in their favor. And NFLN guys, if you're going to represent the league, know the rulebook, OK?


    What a holeass. Now he wants to change the "Charles Rule" when he was the biggest proponent of the re-emphasis after New England beat the Colts in the AFCCG.

    Also, with regards to the Moss PI call:

    1) There was lots of contact
    2) I don't remember either announcer even mentioning faceguarding (I may have missed it)
    3) TMQ was suspiciously silent on Hobbs' "faceguarding" call last year against Indy
    4) I wonder if TMQ is confusing that call with the one where Moss missed a TD when the ball bounced off of the defender's head.

    Anyone have video of this? Pretty please?

    No one has less regard for facts than Easterbrook. It's amazing.
     
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