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  1. mgteich

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    Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    And the patriots have announced ZERO re-signings. This is most unusual.
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    Really hoping Carter and Connolly get resigned before the market opens.
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    Don't think A. Carter is healthy enough to sign with anyone right now. I'd like to re-up Connolly and Mark Anderson before they hit the open market.
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    Anderson will be tough to keep. He's turned a few heads this year.
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    We'll find out soon enough if a shot at a ring ...or money...is more important to him :eek:
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    I'm not so sure he showed anyone he is any different than it was already known he was. A sub package pass rusher who struggles doing much else and can get you some sacks.
    That is what garnered him a one year deal for 1mill plus a 375k signing bonius from us after his team cut him in October the year before and the team that picked him up didn't try to bring him back.
    I don't think the number in his sack column has changed many opinions of him.
    I don't think anyone doubted he could be a pass rush specialist.
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    He did really well in the Pats defense, playing a hybrid role. Other teams may not see this as translating so well into other schemes. Maybe this will work in our favor?
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    If any team is going to give him more than 3 million annually, play him like a starter, and expect the same sack totals he had his rookie year and this past year, they are making the same mistake that Chicago did (minus the hefty salary of course).

    That being said, I'm of the belief that Anderson would like to stay here knowing that he had his most productive season (sack wise) with us. That and I'm sure he's taken notes after seeing a similar situation unfold with a similar player in Tully Banta Cain.
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    all i want is lloyd :D

    then mario williams..yet it won't happen
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    I disagree entirely.

    I think that Anderson played the run a lot better than most anyone thought he could, and having a double-digit sack total never hurts in any capacity.

    You're acting like he was already known for his ability to gain a double digit sack total....except that has not happened in SIX seasons.

    The other sack totals were:

    5

    1

    3 1/2

    4

    4

    Saying that M.Anderson didn't surprise some people by going back to double digit sack totals since his rookie year in 2006 AND showed that he can do a lot better against the run is very short-sighted.
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    Yeah, not real sure what you saw out there that was good run D. When he was out there, which was mostly only after Carter was hurt he was eaten alive by blockers most of the time.

    I'm saying he proved that he can't play the run, and while he had more success his pass rush skills were known. As I said, the number in the sack column is nice but not something GMs are shocked by and thought was impossible.
    It was a good season for Anderson, but it just didn't change his status much. He is still a pass rush only specialist, but happens to be coming off a nice year.
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    We regularly discussed how Anderson was playing the run better than anticipated throughout some of the playoff threads.

    There were also many media members who said how surprised they were about his capacity to hold up against the run much better than we originally thought.

    I wish that I could somehow post a link, but I wouldn't even know how to go about finding some of those older mailbags/articles from a couple of months ago.

    I suppose it's something we'll have to disagree on.

    Regardless, I don't think Anderson is going to be part of the plans here next yr, but if he were I wouldn't have any problem with it.

    I think he takes a deal that's better than what the NEP would give him here. If so, I'm guessing he will go back to being mediocre at best.

    EDIT: here's a quote that I got from an article in regards to his PFF rankings this yr:

    "Anderson was a well-rounded defensive end for the Patriots this season, not just an asset as a pass rusher. He ranked 24th against the run and 14th as a pass rusher, according to Pro Football Focus. And his rating of 13th overall was only six spots behind Bears star Julius Peppers."
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    I am not suggesting that Anderson's biggest weakness is not still against the run.

    What I am suggesting is that he improved on that weakness. Not only that, he put up double digit sack totals for the first time since his rookie year.

    You seem to be suggesting that he is the same player that everyone thought he was. That is what I am disagreeing with.

    By showing improvements against the run (although maybe not 'great' improvements, they were improvements nonetheless), and having another double-digit sack total for the first time since 2006, he should certainly get more attn than he would have in the past several yrs.

    The question will be whether he and the front office can agree on his worth, as I am guessing that they will not unfortunately.
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    Yes, I certainly expected at least a couple/few re-signings of our own by now.

    It does seem quite strange that the number is zero.
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    So the fact that you had an opinion 2 months ago is proof of something?
    Anderson didn't play the run well at any time this year, but whenever he made a play people wanted to look at that one play and ignore the 12 he was destroyed on.

    I think your memory is faulty, but if not I'm sure you could link a few. Not that a media persons opinion will change what I saw with my eyes.

    Doesn't really matter. I dont think any Patriot writers are any more capable of assessing what they see than you or I.

    Unless you want to actually go back and watch the film. I have and it supported my opinion.

    I hope he is, but if so it will be exclusively as a sub package rusher or emergency player, just as it was this year.

    Frankly, you are much more impressed by his 10 sacks than I. I didn't see much more than mediocre plus a few sacks late in blowouts to pump up his stats.

    We aren't really going to pretend Pro Football Focus is anything but the most horrendous source of football analysis that exists are we?
    You know that Anderson had 20 tackles and 12 assists all year right?
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    Thats exactly what I'm saying with the exception of he had a good year of sack stats.

    You keep saying he improved against the run like it will become true if you say it enough.
    I think every GM in the NFL felt he was capable of amassing 10 sacks. I think they will also look at the film and notice that quite a few of them were late in blowouts, quite a few were coverage sacks and some were QBs flushed out by another rusher into Anderson. They won't read a stat sheet and say "Wow we were wrong he must be great". Now the fact that he actually went out and put up a sack number that it was felt he was capable of but wasn't achieving will no doubt give him more bargaining power and he may get a middling offer, but to suggest we won't be able to compete with the lucrative offers he will get is way off the mark IMO. Perhaps I am wrong, we will know soon enough.


    I think the Patriots will see his value about the same as the rest of the league. If Anderson thinks the statsheet makes the payday, he will probably do a lot of shopping and end up disappointed.
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    I guess this is the preemptive dumping on former/soon-to-be former Patriots of which we are all accustomed
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    Nope. It is me giving my opinion about Anderson which is the same as it was during the season, and is the same it will be whether we resign him, which I hope we do, or he goes elsewhere.
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    Uh huh. Which is why you're qualifying his sacks as if the same doesn't apply to almost every single rusher in the league.
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    It may or may not. I am describing his.
    That still has nothing to do with you implying my opinion is different based upon whether he will be here next year or not when it is the exact same opinion I gave all season long.
    Nice try though, but if you look at the square peg you will be able to tell it won't fit in the round hole.
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    This is another unusual offseason since teams do not know what the cap # will be less than 72 hours before FA... The league has apparently promised they will have the number to teams by Monday.

    Apparently the problem arose when revenue wasn't up but benefit costs were. The cap formula calculates total cap including benefits based on revenue in the previous season. Last year it was $142M with almost $22M earmarked for benefits. If it is even $142M again and the cost of the benefits has risen, as is the case most everywhere in the real world, then the SALARY cap would have to go down or the benefits would have to be trimmed...

    Teams are also said to be increasingly concerned about what this bodes for 2013 ergo some are reluctant to commit contract dollars until they know what the cap landscape is going to be...

    They are still not even sure what the franchise tag amounts actually are, nor do they have better than guesstimates on RFA tender amounts.
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    This quote is just ridiculous.

    Taking a random game from the end of the year, this is what we actually see:

    "Anderson also lined up at left defensive end in a three-man front, and he was double-teamed by the right guard and right tackle on each play. Even though he didn't generate any pressure, it was beneficial to consume a double team in that situation. Anderson was defeated by a single blocker on seven of his 18 pass rushes.

    But don't let facts get in the way of many others stating that he improved against the run this yr.
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    I am saying that Mark Anderson's weak link is obviously against the run, that cannot be disputed.

    What I am also saying is that he improved on that this yr, even if he was still a liability.
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    Last time I checked, Ron Jaworski was not a "Patriot writer."

    Direct quote in regards to Anderson's play:

    "Patriots DE/OLB Mark Anderson played a very solid game in the AFC Championship game in holding his ground and being stout when taking on blocks in the running game, and has the ability to pressure the QB coming off the edge---very good strength and power displayed in this game."
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    Yes, I can see the constraints and uncertainties.

    However, I am surprised that Belichick has decided to lock up NO ONE, and to allow all to receive offers from other teams. Other teams have chosen a different approach.

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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    Source?
    By the way, that quote is referring to pass rushing, not run d.
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    I guess I'm the only one who doesn't want lloyd, do you people really think he's going to solve our problems? I don't buy the "I'm perfect for McDaniels' schemes" hype. I want to see stud WR get drafted, who actually gets to play in games.
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    It doesn't matter what it was referring to, you claimed that he was eaten up by blockers the majority of the time, that's simply not true.

    The source is an NESN article from a couple of months ago.
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    I didn't say he sucked on every play he was in, I said he was a poor run defender. I remember a number of plays in that game where he was unable to separate from a blocker and Rice made good gains running at him.
    If you want a 34 OLB to 'hold his ground' and let the RB outside of him, I don't know what to tell you.

    Look, its fine, you have your opinion and I have mine. I am just telling you that the quality of run defense I saw from Mark Anderson this year when reviewing game tapes and focussing on his play showed he was overmatched often and that like this year he will only be on the field playing run defense for BB if we are out of other realistic options. Feel free to disagree but you aren't going to convince me that after watching the 200-odd running plays that he was on the field for this year that what he did was something different than what I saw.
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    Re: Tick Tick Tick 72 hours until free agency

    And we were clearly talking about run defense. I never said he struggled as a pass rusher. You are changing the topic.
    Can you link the article? I've never seen NESN break down play by play like that, I'd love to read it and find more articles by whoever the author is.
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