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  1. mgteich

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    Law, Seau, and Wilhite ???
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    Could be, but for now I have Webster, Alexander, and Izzo.

    THE FINAL THREE ( PICK 3)
    Webster, Alexander, Izzo, (Wilhite) (Aiken), (Eckel), (L. Sanders),
    (Spann), (Richardson), (Guyton), (Redd), (Ruud), (Ventrone)
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    OFFENSE (25)
    QB - 3 Tom Brady, Gutierrez/(Cassel), O’Connell
    RB - 4 Faulk, Maroney, Morris, Jordan
    FB - 1 Evans
    C - 1 Koppen
    G - 4 Hochstein, Mankins, Yates, Neal
    OT - 4 Light, O'Callaghan, Kaczur, (Britt)/Ross
    WR - 5 Moss, Gaffney, Welker, Washington, Chad Jackson
    TE - 3 Watson, Dave Thomas, Pollard/(Spach)

    DEFENSE (21)
    DE - 3 Warren, Green, Seymour
    DT - 4 Wilfork, Wright, Smith, Thomas
    OLB- 4 Vrabel, Adalius Thomas, Crable, Woods
    ILB- 3 Bruschi, Mayo, Hobson
    CB - 3 Hobbs, Bryant, Wheatley
    S - 4 Sanders, Harrison, Meriweather, Williams

    SPECIALISTS (4)
    P - 1 Hanson
    K - 1 Gostkowski
    LS - 1 Paxton
    R - 1 Slater
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    I can't see us only carrying 8 db's. I don't count Slater as a db. As of now,
    the three you mentioned are all on my squad. Plus Wilhite. Maybe, we go with
    8 ol or 6 dl. But, we will have at least 9lb's and 9 db's. Neal starts season on
    PUP and you have your 53.

    Ty Law would replace Webster IMO if we sign him. I'm curious to see M.
    Richardson too. We might be selling him short.

    I think Junior would replace E.Alexander. Seems like Izzo is one of BB's
    favorites. His day to be cut will come eventually. Just don't think it's time
    to do it this year.
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    Neal to the PUP is my likely solution also (and add back Wilhite). I just get tired of everyone saying that there is no reason to believe that Neal will not be ready to start the season.

    I agree with Law replacing Webster, and Seau replacing Alexander. Richardson might very well replace Webster.

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    Spann makes the team. He seems to have new life under Capers. Whose spot he takes? I predict Eric Alexander.

    QB12
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    I think there have been a lot of times. We've only had 8 lb's. I'm just
    thinking that with a couple of rookies that we carry a vet for that 9th
    slot.

    Thank god first game is Thursday. Even if it's only pre-season.
    Been a long off-season. And, we didn't get to enjoy what looked to be
    one the best seasons for any team in any sport ever.
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    I think we'll be seeing Mr. Spann. Call him my dark horse.
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    Do we need a 9th? I guess it's 9 LB's if I count Izzo as a LB.
    BTW, this LB crew will be a team strength.

    OLB: Vrabel, Thomas, Woods, Crable
    ILB: Bruschi, Mayo, Hobson, Seau

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    Great job....we are seep and stacked.

    I would put Spann and Wilhite in place of Alexandar and Webster. Guyton could beat out Izza, but he would really have to show a lot in pre-season.

    Otherwise, inuries & IR will mean some of the talent you hate to see leave, back on the team - of course, whoever they replace will hurt even worse.
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    I think we need the 8th linebakcer, Alexander or Seau.

    Also, Neal and Wright are strong possibilities for the PUP list with no roster replacements, freeing up two roster spots.

    And in the end, I do expect Wilhite to make this team. My "dream", as I said in the first post, is to sign Law and Seau to replace Webster and Alexander. I think that Izzo is staying. Wilhite would be in the #54 to make the team if someone is put on the PUP list or the IR.

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    :mad: GET YOUNGER ON DEFENSE :mad:



    1) Neal is on the PUP.

    2) Faulk has a four game suspension.

    3) Kaczur suspended? .......... I assume not for now.

    4) Week Four is our bye week.

    So, for the first 5 weeks (and 6 days), we have two additional open spots. After that, it drops to one additional spot for 9 weeks (Neal -PUP). So, you can add five (and remove Faulk and Neal) to your list ........ mine are:


    BJ GEllis TB
    V. Redd (or Alexander/Aiken/Ruud)
    Wilhite
    Richardson
    Izzo


    Other:

    ILBers in a 3-4 (Mike) are hard to find. I'm reading mixed opinions on Hobson. So, don't assume Hobson makes the conversion to ILB ......... If he does, we'd have to say that we got lucky in finding him. I'd rather take a STs mayven like ILB Alexander than a conversion "project". Especially, if we don't have room for Aiken/Alexander/Ruud. Hobson must complete the greater majority of his conversion in training camp. Otherwise, what are we going to do with him?

    The ninth OLman can be left on the PS. I want to get younger and faster, forget Seau - he gets tired and slower in the fourth quarter - not a good situation. Additionally, if we also put the the seventh DLman on the PS then we could gain another open (sixth slot). By game 5, we might have had a player or two placed on the IR, hopefully not. In any case, some position decisions could be deferred until then.




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    Spann is making this team.. book it.

    Guyton should make the team.
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    aiken makes the team for special teams
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    Do we know this for sure? I can't recall the league suspending him, though he did get a suspended sentence on the charge.

    If Faulk is indeed suspended for any number of games, does he count against the 53-man roster for those games? Either way, makes the Jordan signing even more sensible. Who knows whether one of Maroney, Morris, Jordan are nicked up by week 5 or 6...
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    If Lynch didn't get a suspension for his first time offense, I'll be furious if Faulk does.
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    (1) No one has said that Faulk has been suspended. Moreover, the only way he could be suspended is if this were a second offense (the CBA specifically limits what Goodell can do in substance abuse cases).

    (2) A player on PUP cannot be activated until after the sixth game of the season, but, depending on how the team handles it, can be activated at any point between the day after the sixth game and Week 13 (i.e., the twelfth game).
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    MGTEICH - I always enjoy reading what you have to say ... I disagree slightly. Position flexibility and getting younger at LB are the keys here. Larry Izzo plays special teams only and cannot play the ILB position in the 3-4. Izzo was third on the team for special teams tackles (Alexander was 2nd Woods was 1st). OLB Justin Rogers, who we cut last year and was picked up by Dallas had as many or more special teams tackles than either Alexander or Izzo. We have seen what Alexander has done at ILB, and I for one don't like what I have seen. Guyton has been the media darling the first week of practice and it remains to be seen if he can carry that through the entire pre-season. However, having 4.45 speed for a player that can play either ILB or OLB is a huge plus. Izzo is a proven veteran that BB loves, but if Guyton can show up on special teams, I think we have to go with youth over experience.

    Ventrone and Slater play both WR/S and special teams. Slater should be the KO return guy along with Jordan. Washington and Aiken gives the Patriots the best gunner combo they have ever had. That would be 8 players that can play WR. If we are going to use 3 and 4 WR sets we need depth at this position. I see Washington taking over as the Special Teams captain.

    Jordan can play an H-Back role as a 3rd TE or have Hochstein line up there as a blocker.



    Mark’s Roster Projection 8/3

    OFFENSE (22)
    QB - 4 Brady, Cassell, Gutierrez, O’Connell
    RB – 4 Faulk, Maroney, Morris (ST), Jordan (KR)
    C - 1 Koppen
    G - 3 Hochstein, Mankins, Yates,
    OT - 4 Light, O'Callaghan, Kaczur, Britt
    WR - 4 Moss, Gaffney, Welker, Jackson
    TE - 2 Watson, Thomas

    DEFENSE (21)
    DE - 4 Warren, Green, Seymour, S. Thomas
    DT - 2 Wilfork, L Smith
    OLB- 3 Vrabel, A Thomas, Woods,
    ILB- 4 Bruschi, Mayo, Hobson, Williams
    CB - 4 Hobbs, Bryant, Wheatley (Gunner), Wilhite (Gunner)
    S - 4 J. Sanders, Harrison, Meriweather, Spann

    SPECIALISTS (3)
    P - 1 Hanson
    K - 1 Gostkowski
    LS - 1 Paxton

    SPECIAL TEAMS (7)
    Slater (KR/WR/S), Ventrone (WR/S), Guyton (ILB), Evans (FB), Crable (OLB), Aiken (WR/Gunner), Washington (WR/Gunner)

    PS Spach, Richardson, Connolly, Eckel, Redd, CJ Jones, McMahon or Martin, Ruud?

    PUP - Neal, Wright

    Cuts – Izzo, Alexander, Pollard, L. Sanders, Webster, Ross, Stokes

    IR – Clement

    Inactives – O’Connel, Guttierez (3rd QB), S. Thomas, Green, Ventrone, Spann
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    At this very early point here's what I think. Obviously it's very early and the final 3-4 spots can change. At this point I like Guyton in a mild surprise over Izzo and Alexander at LB and I also like Spann inching out Richardson at DB. If the Pats go with 2 TE's I think Santonio Thomas or Fifta will be the beneficiary of the extra spot.

    Offense (26)
    QB's - (3) Brady, Gutierrez and O'Connell.
    RB's - (5) Maroney, Jordan, Morris, Faulk and Evans.
    WR's -(6) Moss, Welker, Gaffney, Washington, Jackson and Sam Aiken.
    TE's - (3) Watson, Thomas and Pollard or Spach. Tough call because Watson, Thomas and Pollard are all very similar. Spach is the better blocker. This could be where the Pats save a roster spot and keep only 2 with Evans playing here occassionaly.
    OL - (9) Light, Britt, Mankins, Hochstein, Koppen, Neal, Yates, Kaczur and O'Callaghan. If Neal starts the year on PUP, I go with Oliver Ross if and when healthy and if not Stokes. Ross can play both G and T and is a solid vet while also younger than Stokes with the ability to start and fill in for a longer period of time.

    Defense (23)
    DL - (6) Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, Smith, Green and Wright. If Wright starts year on PUP then Fifta and Thomas have a shot.
    LB's - (8) Vrabel, Woods, Hobson, Mayo, Bruschi, Thomas, Crable and Guyton.
    DB's - (9) Bryant, Wilhite, Hobbs, Wheatley, Spann, Harrison, Williams, Sanders and Meriweather.

    ST's
    (4)
    PK - Gostkowski
    P - Hanson
    LS - Paxton
    KR - Slater
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    From your list, I would guess:
    Webster, Aiken, Spann

    I would be tempted to dump a third TE right now and add another ILB.
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    I'll say that this roster doesn't look too bad (the biggest issue being I don't think they'll keep four QBs). That said, if Wright is healthy, why would they have Santonio active and Wright inactive?
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    Good Catch ... It would be Santonio on the Inactive with Wright on the PUP. If Wright is healthy then S. Thomas gets cut.
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    1) We're not keeping 4 QB's
    2) We are keeping 3 TE's (unless Belichick has resigned from his coaching position)
    3) I have no problem with Spann over Webster and Richardson for the 4th CB spot.
    4) I can't see Guyton and Ventrone over Izzo and Alexander
    5) I don't need 8 WR's. I have 6 WR's, 3 TE's and 5 RB's. That's enough guys to catch the ball.
    6) Aiken isn't need at gunner. As you point out we ahve Washington, Wheatley and Wilhite.
    I also keep Alexander and Woods.


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    From those, I am taking Aiken, Spann, and Richardson.

    But since I love this start of August game.....

    ------- Game Dressed 46* ------------------
    OFFENSE (23)
    QB - 3 Tom Brady, Simms**, O’Connell
    RB - 4 Faulk, Maroney, Morris, Jordan
    FB - 1 Evans
    C - 1 Koppen
    G - 3 Mankins, Yates, Hochstein
    OT - 3 Light, O'Callaghan, Kaczur,
    WR - 5 Moss, Gaffney, Welker, Washington, Aiken/(Chad Jackson)
    TE - 3 Watson, D. Thomas, Pollard/(Spach)

    DEFENSE (19)
    DE - 3 Warren, Green, Seymour
    DT - 2 Wilfork, L.K. Smith,
    OLB- 3 Vrabel, AD. Thomas, Woods
    ILB- 3 Bruschi, Mayo, Hobson,
    CB - 3 Hobbs, Bryant, Wheatley,
    S - 4 Sanders, Harrison, Meriweather, Williams,

    SPECIALISTS (4)
    P - 1 Hanson
    K - 1 Gostkowski
    LS - 1 Paxton
    R - 1 Slater



    * 3rd QB can dress but not play unless the other two do not return
    ** My super double secret surprise roster move with Gutz and Cassel cut for a guy with starting experience.

    Inactives (7)
    T - Britt
    G - Ross
    DT - S. Thomas
    OLB - Crable
    ILB - Guyton
    S - Spann
    CB - Richardson

    PUP (2)
    G - Neal
    DT - Wright


    Izzo is one of those odd cases, I could see going with only 2 TE on the game day roster and putting Izzo back in on ST. But I am giving Pollard or Spach the edge due to the flux on the OL. Could use some extra TE production to offset the disruption. If so, then I would send Guyton to the PS and leave Izzo on the 53 and put the 3rd TE as inactive.
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    I see Washington and Aiken as a pick 'em. We keep one and not both. From the sounds of it Aiken has shown more in TC. Slater seems like a lock for his special teams ability and flexibility at WR or Safety. I say they keep 5-6WRs. The '6th' being Slater.

    Spann makes the team as will both rookie CBs that were drafted. I would not be pruprised if Webster and Lewis are gone and Richardson sticks. It is quite possible that Tank does not have as much of a role as we think but I have him sticking for now... Surprise cut of the year... Morris?? I can see it happening, but I doubt it. So long Eckel..

    OFFENSE (24)
    QB - 3 Brady, Cassell, O’Connell
    RB – 5 Faulk, Maroney, Morris, Jordan, Evans
    C - 1 Koppen
    G - 3 Hochstein, Mankins, Yates (Neal on PUP for now)
    OT - 4 Light, O'Callaghan, Kaczur, Britt
    WR - 5 Moss, Gaffney, Welker, Jackson, Aiken
    TE - 3 Watson, Thomas, Spach

    DEFENSE (25)
    DE - 4 Warren, Green, Seymour, S. Thomas
    DT - 25 Wilfork, L Smith,
    OLB- 5 Vrabel, A Thomas, Woods, Crable
    ILB- 4 Bruschi, Mayo, Hobson, Guyton
    CB - 6 Hobbs, Bryant, Wheatley , Wilhite, Richardson, Spann
    S - 4 J. Sanders, Harrison, Meriweather, Williams

    SPECIALISTS (3)
    P - 1 Hanson
    K - 1 Gostkowski
    LS - 1 Paxton

    Swiss Army Knife (1)
    Slater (KR/WR/S)
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    I think positional roster count your 50-man is pretty spot on.

    Wilhite I think is a lock to make the team.

    I see the other two spots going to DB & LB, though who they are is anyone's guess.

    I'll say Guyton & Richardson, but could just as easily be Alexander & Spann, or Alexander & Webster.
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    This roster talk in general leads to thoughts about who has been impressing in training camp, and who hasn't.

    QB:
    Cassell is clearly getting the most time with the first offense among the three back-ups.
    O'Connell has the higher pedigree compared to Gutierrez. I'd say this squeezes out Gutierrez.
    UP: Cassell
    DOWN: Gutierrez


    RB:
    All four have different strengths, and have looked good.
    Eckel has not been in the reports for anything, and looks like he is odd man out.
    UP: Jordan
    DOWN: Eckel


    WR:
    Intense competition. The front three - Moss/Welker/Gaffney - are locked in and playing well. Then we have three to five "receivers" struggling to make the team based on special teams - including Washington, Jackson, Aiken, Ventrone, and Slater. Slater has far exceeded expectations as a returner. Aiken is consistently praised for his ST work. Washinton was a top ST performer last year. Jackson has all kinds of talent but has consistently struggled as a receiver -- he is also getting some looks at PR.
    UP: Aiken, (Slater)
    DOWN: Jackson


    TE:
    No blocking end has emerged.
    Pollard has exceeded expectations - but offers nothing Watson and Thomas don't, other than longevity.
    UP: Pollard
    DOWN: Blocking TE's (Spach et al)


    OL:
    Too many injuries to count anyone out, but there are a clear top nine, and then a huge drop-off. Most folks develop a consistent outlook here.

    DL:
    With Wright and Green out on PUP, hard to judge right now. I haven't heard enough from Titus, S. Thomas, or Fifita to have any guess on whether one of those three makes it as a sixth DL.
    UP: Incomplete
    DOWN: Incomplete


    LB:
    All sorts of interesting stuff here.
    At OLB: Vrabel has been out, and Woods has had a lot of time as the #1 opposite Thomas. Crable has been up and down. Redd has mostly been injured, but has looked good when he's been in.
    At ILB: Mayo has at least fulfilled expectations for a top 10 rookie. Hobson has disappointed. Guyton is a longshot, but flashes some ST capabilities. Alexander is totally under the radar - not a good sign. Then we have Tank Williams in the mix, who has surprisingly had the majority of looks at ILB, above Hobson and Mayo.
    UP: Williams, Mayo, Woods
    DOWN: Hobson, Alexander


    DB:
    Another complicated field, with some players considered at LB, some at ST, and several missing big blocks of time.
    At CB: Bryant has drawn praise. Wheatley hasn't embarrassed himself. Webster was running with the one's before getting injured and missing the last 10 practices. Lewis Sanders has also flown under the radar.
    At S: Big improvement in Meriweather. Tank Williams has been playing more LB than S. Harrison and James Sanders have missed lots of time, with Sanders still out. Lots of praise for Spann.

    UP: Bryant, Wheatley, Meriweather, Spann
    DOWN: Webster (due to injury), Sanders
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    I don't think there's any way Wilhite doesn't make the team. They need to get younger on D and he was a valuable-ish draft pick who has, by all accounts, comported himself well enough to be a bit of a factor as secondary depth.
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    Agreed 100%. Plus, bonus points for working "comported" into your post.
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    Well, it is him/Webster/Richardson. So hey, one to the PS the other on the squad. I will see how he looks in the pre-season.
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    We look thin at CB with only 3 on your list? Cutting LBs down, we're going to lose some quality guys there. But the guys that remain will form a strong unit. Do we really need 4 players at NT when we run a 3-4 D?? Otherwise looks ok, this team is poised to have a real good year. Maybe not 2007 good in terms of breaking records, but the talent is there to make a hard run at the championship again. Does anybody think the Giants can repeat? I don't. And I definitely don't want to see either Manning getting another ring, not on Brady's watch.
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    I think there is much speculaton about all...as for the PSQuad..Eckel would not be eligible...too many games played.. I think there are probably 15-16 that COULD be PSquaders..THAT is an area that will be interesting...and they may keep players for a position..as well as for development..
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