Welcome to PatsFans.com

The Impossible Dream: Patriots Completing a Long Pass Downfield

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Armchair Quarterback, Sep 25, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Armchair Quarterback

    Armchair Quarterback Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2009
    Messages:
    2,545
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    #37 Jersey

    What's up with this? Is it the QB or the receivers? It seems like the never connect. It's an automatic incomplete. Maybe someone ought to tell McDaniels he doesn't have Randy Moss of 07 out there anymore.
  2. Ian

    Ian Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2000
    Messages:
    5,038
    Likes Received:
    69
    Ratings:
    +82 / 2 / -1

    #17 Jersey

    This was from the Baltimore game (also in a blog entry I did :) )

    [​IMG]

    You can see the entire season passing chart here:

    2012 Patriots Stats Database

    So far through three games:

    3/8 Deep Left 111yds (1 of those was Welker's 59yd catch Sunday Night)
    2/6 Deep Middle 59yds, 1 TD
    0/2 Deep Right
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2012
  3. Patradomous

    Patradomous Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2007
    Messages:
    2,718
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -1

    #87 Jersey

    Brady is a horrible long ball thrower. He misses receivers when they are open always overthrows.
    (Lloyds fault in first game)

    Bet he has thrown as many picks as catches in balls thrown over 40 yards down the sideline.
  4. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,473
    Likes Received:
    76
    Ratings:
    +106 / 2 / -2

    #24 Jersey

    Give it some time. The Brady-Lloyd experiment is still young and, as you can see, Welker picked up right where he left off in 2011 in terms of being all over the field. The offense, from what I saw, picked up steam this past week and only faltered in crunch time. I'm expecting to be impressed by what I see against the Bills.
  5. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,473
    Likes Received:
    76
    Ratings:
    +106 / 2 / -2

    #24 Jersey

    [​IMG]
  6. letekro

    letekro Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,153
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    I don't think the pass to Welker would qualify as a deep completion. It was about 20 yards in the air and then RAC. IIRC, Brady has completed 1 pass of more than 30 yards in the air in the last 20 games or so.
  7. PATSYLICIOUS

    PATSYLICIOUS Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    10,961
    Likes Received:
    5
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    At the risk of sounding homerish, I think it's getting there.

    Brady did connect with Welker on a long ball Sunday night. He came very very close to connecting with Lloyd and Gronk weeks 1 and 2. I think as the season progresses you'll see more connections downfield, especially with Lloyd if they continue having success with the intermediate routes and back shoulder catches. Those are a perfect setup for the long ball.
  8. Ian

    Ian Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2000
    Messages:
    5,038
    Likes Received:
    69
    Ratings:
    +82 / 2 / -1

    #17 Jersey

    The league officially scored it as a "deep" throw, which was completed about 20 yards from the original line of scrimmage (their 21yd line). So for the sake of accuracy how they score it is how I scored it :cool:

    There are some stills here:

    FILM Review: The 59-Yard Completion to Wes Welker :Ian's New England Patriots Blog

    You can see the still where he caught it and where they started from in that link.
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2012
  9. Armchair Quarterback

    Armchair Quarterback Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2009
    Messages:
    2,545
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    #37 Jersey

    Missed the Welker catch so I didn't have that one in my memory. To be honest, I'm surprised they have 5. Are those the 20 yard passes with a run after catch? What's the criteria? Helpful chart though, I'll check those stats out again.
  10. Ian

    Ian Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2000
    Messages:
    5,038
    Likes Received:
    69
    Ratings:
    +82 / 2 / -1

    #17 Jersey

    "Run after the catch" doesn't make a short pass a deep pass, because they score it "short" even on a long gain if it's caught for short yardage and turned into a big gain. It seems 15+ in the air seems to be the criteria from what I could tell (from the line of scrimmage to where the ball is caught) based on what I've seen so far.
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2012
  11. Bobs My Uncle

    Bobs My Uncle PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2005
    Messages:
    2,273
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -1

    #12 Jersey

    If the Pats OL can keep Brady upright long enough then I think this weekend is the time for a long pass completion.
  12. borg

    borg Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2004
    Messages:
    3,712
    Likes Received:
    7
    Ratings:
    +7 / 0 / -0

    Even if Lloyd snares a long ball...he'll hit the turf immediately. Never seen a guy voluntarily find the ground faster than him. Between him and "no yards after contact" Woodhead, the Pats are fortunate Welker makes up as many YAC as he does.
  13. brdmaverick

    brdmaverick Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    3,079
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    The way penalties are being called, it's more amazing that we haven't drawn a pass interference penalty on one of our long bombs.
  14. PATRIOTSFANINPA

    PATRIOTSFANINPA Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    15,718
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    Aside from Moss who caught every jump ball in 07....Brady is,never has been and never will be that long bomb QB,Brady works the field methodically and when he tries a bomb its usually too far or too short.

    Brady is not Manning,that is not his forte....
  15. Nehalem

    Nehalem Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    355
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    You mean against the Pats? Like the Edelman "PI" call?
  16. Brady_to_Moss

    Brady_to_Moss Revis Island is here PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2007
    Messages:
    16,682
    Likes Received:
    10
    Ratings:
    +19 / 0 / -0

    #95 Jersey

    You see how well lloyd and brady were working together the other night? Only going to get better...easy killa
  17. Gostkowski for 3

    Gostkowski for 3 Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2010
    Messages:
    182
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    when did manning become king of the long ball? he throws as much short and intermediate garbage as anyone.
  18. Salva135

    Salva135 Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2008
    Messages:
    959
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Seriously, go watch that Brandon Lloyd highlights video on youtube... every single play, he drops immediately to the ground. Sometimes it's due to a bad pass, but there are also some YAC opportunities that he simply doesn't take. But he makes awesome catches and is easily the best outside receiver they've had since Moss. I'm fine with his style.
  19. JMarr

    JMarr Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2008
    Messages:
    2,317
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    Brady needs an absolutely clean pocket where he can really step into the throw to throw an accurate deep ball. On slow developing plays you need a stellar O-line and fast, physical receivers to make it happen consistently. The Pats are smart in not forcing it right now. I'm sure Josh has plans in the works for some long ones to Lloyd. Just a matter of getting everything in sync, plus being able to set up defenses with a successful running attack.
  20. DocHoliday

    DocHoliday Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Messages:
    2,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    You need young FAST stud receivers for that
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page