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  1. everlong

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    That sums it all up. I'm done feeding the megalomania of RI Phelps Fan. I suggest everybody else ignores the one man hate group as well.
     
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    RIPF doesn't represent me. I can speak for myself, thanks. I don't think his views represent many other Christians on here either.
     
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    Yeah, but you guys obviously aren't real Christians. ;)
     
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    I was making a point to the other poster based off the thread to that point. I grew up Catholic and thus have many family members and friends who are still Christians of one denomination or another. I no more think every Christian is evil or intolerant than I do every Muslim, Jew.........etc.

    No offense intended to anybody who didn't declare people of similar views as myself more evil than Phelps.
     
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    fwiw, VA, I can tell you that as an atheist / agnostic, I've never faced persecution. I have been insulted in ways that Christians would label as hateful and elitist (maybe even persecution?) if directed at Christians, but my own take was that those people were misguided and generally may not have even realized how insulting they were being. (These have often been Christian extended family members who've known nothing but other Christians and have lived pretty insular lives.)

    (Oddly, the only time I've faced any sort of slurs have been when anti-Semitic slurs were leveled at me a couple times. On those occasions I wasn't quite sure how to react, given that I'm not Jewish. I did learn, however, that bigots don't like being laughed at because they can't even target their prejudice accurately, the dumbasses :) )
     
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    LOL Chico. When they're not in pogrom mode, you can almost forgive the dumbasses. People with an appreciable number of neocortical folds who nevertheless devote what brainpower they have to justifying or manipulating bigotry, on the other hand, have to be on somebody's shlitz-list somewhere, if there's a God.

    PFnV
     
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    Being from Boston, I personally don't know anyone who goes to church on a regular basis. I would think most people here find people who do go to church every Sunday as weird.
     
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    Nah....two of my kids (one Catholic and one Evangelical) do....as does my brother-in-law's Catholic wife and child. And my Orthodox sister-in-law wouldn't miss weekly services, nor did my Reformed mother-in-law when she was alive. Nothing weird about it - it's what they believe in doing.
     
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    Um...sure there isn't....thanks for reading. :rolleyes:

    You do understand that the catechism is addressing all nations, not just the USA, right?


    "The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights."81



    Catechism of the Catholic Church - The fifth commandment



    Not all states are democracies or republics....."the law" refers to those who have power to influence the law either through a direct vote or voting for those who can enact laws. It's not going to address the American political system directly. That's why we have local Bishops who apply the teachings to their individual Dioceses.


    The Catholic Bishops understand this teaching from the Catechism and state quite clearly that Catholics (when they have a choice) cannot vote for a candidate who supports abortion:



    "It is a mistake with grave moral consequences to treat the destruction of innocent human life
    merely as a matter of individual choice
    . A legal system that violates the basic right
    to life on the grounds of choice is fundamentally flawed
    .

    The direct and intentional destruction of innocent human life from the moment of conception
    until natural death is always wrong and is not just one issue among many. It must
    always be opposed
    .3

    Catholics often face difficult choices about how to vote. This is why it is so important to vote according to a well-formed conscience that perceives the proper relationship among moral goods. A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who takes a position in favor of an intrinsic evil, such as abortion or racism, if the voter’s intent is to support that position. In such cases a Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in grave evil."


    http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...ming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship.pdf
     
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    The pontiff made his harshest remarks on record about abortion during his yearly "State of the World" address to diplomats sent to the Vatican on Monday. In one word, he made clear that he's not the progressive many women had hoped for, calling the practice of abortion "horrific."

    "It is horrific even to think that there are children, victims of abortion, who will never see the light of day," he said during a section on the rights of children.

    "Unfortunately, what is thrown away is not only food and dispensable objects, but often human beings themselves, who are discarded as unnecessary."



    In One Word, Pope Francis Makes Clears He's Not the Progressive We Hoped For - PolicyMic
     
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    That is true because their views do not represent the teachings of Jesus Christ as taught by his holy RCC.
     
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    I was just arguing that nowadays in cities it's rare to find someone who goes to church every Sunday. And personally I find the ones who do as weird. I know outside of the city, the church is more of the community so it's more expected.
     
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    I see that, despite your wailing, the catechism does not specify whether a Catholic can be pro-choice.

    I see that you cannot establish that a Catholic must take anti-choice positions using the catechism.

    I see that now you are moving from the catechism, which does not support your point, to a pamphlet from a collection of U.S. bishops, which you believe does support your point.

    It is not, however, black-letter law for Catholics that they may not advocate for the right of a woman to choose in a secularist pluralist society, such as ours.

    Thank you for proving my point by venue-shopping.

    PFnV

     
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    Your mind was made up......no surprise.

    You don't understand how the Catechism is written and how to use it. That much is obvious.


    It is immoral for a Catholic to advocate for abortion. They do so at their own peril.
     
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    We have never discussed a Catholic advocating for abortion.

    Once again, we are discussing a Catholic advocating for a woman's right to choose.

    PFnV
     
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    To choose what? Killing an unborn child she doesn't want? Isn't there a name for that? Wait... don't tell me...
     
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    Choice....free will....even God gave it to people.
     
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    who cares if someone aborts their unborn baby. Does it really affect you and your life.
     
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    Wow.....just wow.

    Ladies and gentlemen.......the Progressive faith in a nutshell.
     
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    get over it buddy, who cares. Just like going to church, it's archaic. No one goes to church in Boston every Sunday, and if they do we don't trust them. We're smarter in the city
     

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