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    Tate has been absolutely atrocious on KO returns the past couple weeks. He has to be on the sidelines IMO during Kickoffs. Put sammy morris, edelman, or even woodhead back there. I cannot stand watching Tate run into guys at the 15 yard line anymore.

    Did anyone notice where the Lions were starting yesterday and where the patriots were starting yesterday?

    Patriots were probably averaging around the 17 yard line where the lions were averaging around the 35 yard line. Are the 2-9 Lions really that much better than the Patriots on special teams?

    Tate brought back 2 KOs to the house early in the season. So what? He's terrible right now in all aspects of the game. Bench him.

    Anyone else feel this way?
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    How do you know it's not the blocking?

    That being said, he hasn't been impressive as a WR the past two games either - - dropping passes the few times he's been targeted.

    My view is you have to remember he was listed with the flu one week ago today - - he could simply be a bit weakened.
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    I don't.

    He's not atrocious. He's playing his 2nd game on 3 days rest, while recovering from the flu.

    I am not worried about him. He will be fine.
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    Not to mention the drops...

    If he is going to one day develop into our "deep threat", he cannot be dropping balls that hit him in the hands!
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    Yesterday it felt like the blocking just wasn't there. Detriots kicker did a great job with the "corner kicks" and Tate had little room to work with.
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    As was mentioned, Tate is still recovering from the flu on 3 days rest.

    Also, as was mentioned, the blocking was horrible. When there are 5 guys gang-tackling your return man, the blocking has failed.

    That being said, Tate should spend the off-season married to the Jugs machine. Like Branch and Givens did after their rookie seasons.
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    Rayner is an excellent kickoff guy... was a specialist earlier in his career. That said,Tate did look bad yesterday.
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    i would give the props to that mostly to the kicker....i doubt its easy to consistently kick the ball at the 3 yd line, and 3 yds away from the sideline....and at that point the detroit coverage team knew EXACTLY where the ball was going to be every time....

    Tate did as good as anyone would have been able to do in that situation

    (now if they made it so that there was TWO returners deep, tate should have caught the ball, moved up 5 yds, and threw it/lateral it to the OTHER side of the field, to a person behind him closer to the endzone, and this person would have had an unabated path for a TD
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    Don't forget there's film of him from his TD kick returns so the opposing special teams coach can study it and break it down.
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    Yeah, I agree w/this--can't say specifically what should have been done, but it didn't seem as though the special TEAMS adjusted well yesterday. Can't put too much of it on Tate, who as others noted, has been ill.

    And as someone else said, offseason work on his catching like Givens would be smart.
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    Tate will hit the hole faster then anyone in the league, but he's not going to make anyone miss. I blamed yesterday mostly on the blocking. The Lions knew to kick every ball to the left and flood that side. That Pats were not able to open a hole for him. There were consistently 4 Lions unblocked within the 20 as Tate caught the ball. It's just a great ST play by the Lions
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    Another negative thread after a win. I must be at PatsFans.com.
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    I've noticed that in the past few games he is not running aggressively like he was during the early season. Hole or not, you still have to go hard and take what his there, and I'm not seeing it. Happens with most KO guys, after a few too many hits they lose it and you throw another guy out there.
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    Thread starter have a point...Tate look Alge Crumpler slow on KO's i mean take a knee please...I'll rather us starting at the 20 than at the 15.:D
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    Teams are now scheming just for Tate on KO's. Yeah, let's bench him so teams can have one less thing to prepare for instead of letting Tate and the ST's adjust. 2 weeks of a bad spell and bench him even if it's not all his fault. Wonderful
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    That was pretty incredible, I was waiting for one to go Ob and get flagged. Not to much you can do but run straight ahead and get what you can unless your name is Hester.
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    patriots - Ten Things We Learned Thursday: Devin McCourty is making the leap - WEEI | Christopher Price

    No question Tate has been less productive on KO returns. But I think the drops, which are clearly a personal shortcoming, are the bigger problem. He is simply not giving much production for several weeks. If this trend continues, I would not be surprised to see Price get a shot. Butler can return kicks as well as Tate has for the last month.
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    This...

    He has been outstanding. He seems a little off. we're winning, let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.
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    Heinsight is 20/20 but what if?

    In Round 3 of the 2009 Draft look who the Pats picked just ahead of WR Mike Walace who's lightning it up in Pittsburgh fastest player in NFL.

    Pick 19 (83) Round 3 Patriots (From Jets through Packers) Tate, Brandon WR 6'0" 183 North Carolina.

    Pick 20 (84) Round 3 Steelers (From Bears through Broncos) Wallace, Mike WR 6'0" 199 Mississippi.

    Seems like alot of Teams missed on WR Mike Wallace...he would have made up for the Chad Jackson and Bethel Johnson picks.
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    There's something wrong with your TV set.:eek:

    If you cared to notice that teams are kicking to Tate more on the right side than in the middle. It's risky because the ball can go out of bounds. But it just so happens that the ball has been kicked just enough to the right so Tate does have to field the ball.

    This means that all the coverage people can converge on one side of the field and their pursuit angles can be funneled that way.

    Tate has had the droppies lately but that could be a temp thing. That concerns me a little more, not much, than the KO thing.

    I guess we do have to have these "I'm not happy unless I'm unhappy about something, after my team with 23 rookies and 2nd year players go 9-2", threads.
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    I completely agree... give all of his responsibilities to Price. Oh wait, Tate is better than Price (not to mention any other option we have there, except McCourty, but we're not risking injury with him back there) and Belichick seems to know what he's doing by playing the better player.

    BB has had faith in Tate all year. If anything, we should be concerned about the blocking in front of him. Anyone here an expert on kickoff return coverage who can point out exactly who on ST is a weak link?

    As far as WR, is he being completely ineffective? Every time Moss would get shut down, everyone would say that he was being a decoy. Does this not apply to Tate? Does he ever distract the safety on his side? I know Hernandez, Gronk and Welker have been very successful over the middle this season. Could that be due to Moss/Tate and Branch/Tate? That said, I must admit I would like to see more of Edelman, but who wants to %$@# with this offense right now? :popcorn:
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    Tate is fine as a return man. Teams are specifically game planning against him on kickoffs and punts. Keep him in there. Beside that, who else would you want? McCourty? Another good return man in college who is also our undisputed #1 CB at this point whose loss would be devastating to the defense. How about Slater? I guess that would be a good move... if you want someone to field the kickoff, get about eight yards, then get absolutely annihilated by a highlight reel hit. Edelman would be a solid choice, but he doesn't have the breakaway speed that Tate has. Same goes with Welker.
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    Nothing wrong with being really close to the Jugs all offseason. :D
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    No. I don't. But I'm sure you'd like to cut him because he's a bum in your eyes.
    You just don't bench a guy who has shown the ability to take it to the house on any given kick.
    If he's in a slump he'll work his way out of it. As some mentioned he might have been sick this Thanksgiving week and the blocking wasn't the greatest either.
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    Tate is not consistent game after game. Hot one game, cold another. He is a rookie. Do you expect a DevinHester?

    I do agree that he seems to do a little dancing too much on kickoff-returns. He should learn from Benny and charge foward...
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    Boo Hiss!!!

    Am I on the 'Hate Tate' Bandwagon now? ;)
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    I was at the game and all the kickoff returns were on my side.

    Outstanding kickoffs by Rayner. I don't think i have ever seen a kicker "diectional kick than that guy. All those kickoffs were within a few yards of out of bounds. More than few few people in the section noted this.

    Thge only way for the return do be successful would have been cross field and that's not the way the blocking was setup.

    It might have been better to just take the knee.

    So what about starting field position? If Tate caught the ball on the 10-15, he wouldn't have been out to the 29?
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    Ya, as a matter of fact, I would love to see Edelman replace Tate on KR, atleast Edelman will hit a hole and hit it hard instead of stutter stepping on his toes waiting to get hit around the 15 yard line. Tate's KRs have been problematic for a number of recent games now, not just yesterday.

    BB makes changes where change is needed and this is a case where he has to light a fire under Tate's arse because Brandon has been a little soft shall we say when the bodies are approaching him. How much worse can we do instead of setting BB up 1st and 10 at the 18 yard line on a consistent basis, we need more than what we've had.
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    Dancing is what led to his return TD's. By "dancing" he can get the kickoff team flowing in one direction and then run in the other. As others have pointed out, they are kicking him into the corner narrowing the field.
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    One strength I noticed about Tate is his excellent vision. If there's a lane for him to run through -- he'll see it. Otherwise, like most KO returners, he'll "run into guys" if there's no opening.

    A couple of influencing factors may be:

    - After his two returns for TDs, teams are placing extra emphasis (longer practice sessions) on their coverage units.

    - Some teams emphasize the value of ST regardless of their opponent.

    One possible solution would be for coach O'Brien to devise some new blocking strategies tailored for Tate. It's a good bet they're working on it...

    No. :D
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