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  1. PatriotSeven

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    It's one thing when crazy paranoid fans(like me) says things about it -like the fact all 6 seeds won a superbowl in a 6 year span up to 2012 among other statistics improbabilities(impossibilities?) that have taken place more and more recently, but it's another when players start showing concern. And this time it's from the Superbowl winners, not losers.

    So should we start emaling Goodell and ask for permission if we can win one this year or does he have the Donkeys locked in?
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    This is why Belichick doesn't want most of his players to say anything, in general most football players aren't very bright.
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    Too funny.Wasn't Goodell driving the Ray Lewis Farewell Victory Tour bus last year?
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    That wouldn't mean they're not interested in ratings that blowouts don't produce.

    That streak of luck that struck Atlanta against us certainly made the game more interesting to the end and kept a few more people watching TV.

    Replay booth malfunction for exactly 1 coache's challenge! Then it works fine. Ooops.
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    Because Roger the rocket scientist knew the Ravens would suck after the blackout?

    If people really believe any of this nonsense, why watch football. If you believe it, you believe football is wrestling, so why do you watch?
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    Why watch any sport? Watch, don't bet.

    But from FIFA to NBA to Football, if you don't believe it, you haven't watched sports enough. It happens. I just try to put it out of my mind and as Bill says, "don't worry about things you can't control."

    Doesn't mean I should be blind to it though.
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    So what exactly are you saying about wrestling?:confused:



    Next thing you'll be saying is that there is no such thing as Santa Claus.:eek:
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    Usually if a coach or player suggests a ref might have missed a called they'll get fined. This is a player saying that the league is fixed. How is this not a multigame suspension against Suggs?
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    Suggs' been talking to Joker.
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    It's a real shame that money can't cover up stupidity.
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    If by stupidity you mean the hitman should never rat out the boss, then I agree. ;)

    The hitman is unlikely to have a good career afterwards, but then again, I don't think guys like him and Ray Lewis give a damn anymore(no pun intended).
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    So let me get this straight. The all-powerful commissioner is determined that the Ravens must lose at all costs. So his diabolical plan is -- rather than using any of his influence over the game and its officials -- to cause a giant blackout in the middle of the flippin' Superbowl, making the NFL and the host city look like incompetent fools and pissing off advertisers and the rich sponsors partying in the luxury boxes, somehow intuiting that this will make the 49ers play way, way better.

    That's the kind of conspiracy theory that gives conspiracy theories a bad name.
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    No. What he's saying is the Ravens would have blown them out, and a tight close game makes people watch the game until the end. It extends the the time advertisers get exposure and increases ratings.

    Who cares if the city looks incompetent? People still watch to the end.

    You got it backwards. It doesn't piss off advertisers. Close games to the end is what advertisers want to see. People turn off the TV during blowouts.
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    I still say that there should have been a sixth season of The Wire that revolved around the Ravens.
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    This. And if he really wanted the Ravens to lose, maybe someone would have called PI when the 49ers recievers were molested in the end zone at the end (THE biggest moment an outside influence could have altered the game). Actually, that's not even wanting the Ravens to lose that would be calling it down the middle and not helping the Ravens. I really never understood Suggs' fanboys, the guy is a complete douche and one of the most unlikeable characters in sports.
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    This assumes that Goodell knew that a blackout would affect Baltimore adversely while also energizing the 49ers.
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    Why assume? Last time I checked the NFL still pays the refs.
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    It's Suggs and is therefore meaningless. What else needs to be said?
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    This explains why the 49ers were able to come back.

    When the power issue happened the Ravens "leaders" Suggs and Lewis immediately started crying about conspiracies and the 49ers used the time more wisely to prepare and try to figure out how to stage a comeback.

    Usually teams that whine and always blame others where there is adversity don't win, but sometimes they get lucky.

    See the Peyton in 06, Ravens in 13, etc.
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    2 pages in and no pics??

    What the hellls going on out here..?
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    Well Peyton did get a red carpet rolled out before him on his road to the Superbowl so whining can help.
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    wow even when they win they can't show class. him and stabby mcstabberson (52) are just crazy
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    It's Ray Lewis too. And the "the Ray Lewis story" last year was pretty well drummed up.

    This is what's funny about people who don't believe it. "If it was true someone would say something".

    And when people do they usually get blasted for it. I honestly think football fans are the most rabbid and gullible fanbase when it comes to this and have bought hook, line and sinker into the "integrity of the game" to the point where they become vicious against anyone that might try to point it out.


    The one difference between football fans and other sports, like for example NBA or soccer fans is that they kind of tend to expect it, and look for it each and every game and see if the refs are messing with it.

    Football is the easiest sport there is to rig, as the way you can influence the game can be completely oblivious to the watching spectator since it doesn't have to be done on a very obvious scoring play. A 3rd and long, a 4th and short, a safety, a fumble, a replay that goes unturned, a pass interference call, a holding call that sometimes gets called -or not called - depending on the situation....any of those situation in a critical moment can effect the outcome of the game drastically and can mean as much as an offsides goal in soccer that gets uncalled or a blatant flop in the NBA that earns the player a trip to the basket. In football, it simply much harder to notice it in the same consistent fashion because it can be any number of situations.

    And unlike those other sports, the NFL basically has a free card from the justice department, that they can do as they wish as long as it's for "entertainment purposes" and it's pretty much legal. They do in fact have a similar WWE type business structure. So if it happens in other sports where they do get busted quite often, and it's pretty illegal, it's pretty gullible to consider everything that takes place in football time after time, game after game, year after year, as coincidences. Especially some of the statistical impossibilities that have been taking place. There is no other sport on earth that has as much controlled refereeing as football as an integral part of the game. It's just so ridiculously easy and sometimes the decision to throw or not throw a flag might be worth billions in profit to the NFL.

    Just how many millions- or was it billion? - in gambling money was exchanged last year in that Green Bay-Seattle game again? Yeah thank god for the replacement refs and not having to deal with those guys again ;)

    I just think the NFL has the public whipped.
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    it's not illegal if they're not calling it; and the officials certainly were "letting them play" throughout the game. That wasn't a good thing for Torrey, but the Ravens actually ended up benefiting the most with that no-call on the 49ers' final snap. Smith finished with 2 catches for 35 yards and also drew a key pass interference penalty against Culliver on 3rd and 9 just after the 49ers had closed to within 31-29. He also made a big 'defensive' play when he prevented Culliver from getting an INT (photo below) on a pass in the 2nd quarter.

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    " It got even worse on the Ravens' final drive of the first half, with Flacco targeting Culliver on two incomplete passes, the second of which easily could have been called an offensive pass interference call on Baltimore receiver Torrey Smith."

    Sorry, Suggly....Goody only called for the blackout to make it LOOK like it wasn't a fix for YOUR Ravens...and now, thanks to your braying, the real crime will go unpunished.
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    This isn't an answer. If you believe games are fixed, why watch? I still haven't heard an answer. I have yet to hear someone who truly believes this give a good answer. If you believe this, you are wasting your time. Saying, "I try to put it out of my mind" is not an answer. Well, it's an answer, but what you're saying is: (1) I know it's fixed. (2) I am capable of self-delusion. (3) So, I pretend it's not fixed, and then I enjoy it.

    There are words for that. Crazy is the pejorative one. Irrational is the other. If you genuinely believe it is fixed, it is irrational to watch, because the fix takes away the only thing that makes it worth watching. Unless you watch football like people watch wrestling.

    I'm going to state my position very clearly on this, in the stupid hope that some your will come around, even though I know that's ridiculous.

    1) There has never been a single occasion in which Roger Goodell has communicated with the referees a command or instruction to favor one team over another by making calls they don't in their judgment believe.

    2) There are circumstances in which coaches, team officials, and the league itself have influenced the game itself (but not individual games), by points of emphasis or by campaigning about certain issues, and these issues affect competition on the field and may disproportionately affect certain teams. This happens in all sports. I don't view it as nefarious in the least. It is a game played by and officiated by humans.

    3) Officials do not care who wins the games to which they are assigned and believe their single most important mission is to try to call the game consistently and fairly.

    4) The fact that Fenerbache and Gallatasary have had point shaving scandals does not convince me that football is fixed. Rather, the fact that they have been caught even in highly corrupt countries convinces me of the opposite.

    5) Football is a multi-billion dollar industry, and there is no need to fix it. Of all the things that could destroy it, nothing would do so faster than a credible report that games are fixed. It would be the single most stupid thing to do in the history of sports.

    6) Some individuals are susceptible to weakness. Can I say that no bookie has ever gotten to a ref or player? I can't, though I am doubtful. I do, however, have connections to NFL refs. The lengths that the league goes to in order to prevent this from happening are, in a word, extraordinary. Other than, perhaps, CIA agents, there are very few people in the world whose lives are more thoroughly and continuously investigated than NFL officials. You would be shocked at the level of privacy they voluntarily give up with respect to their private lives, their financial records, their cell phone records, and the like, and you would also be shocked at the lengths that NFL security goes to.

    7) The sheer stupidity of some of the claims of ref fixing never continue to amaze me. Every time I hear one, there are always dozens of things I look back on in the game that would not have happened if it all were true.

    8) The Superdome black out actually cost the networks some money by requiring them to have to re-run commercials. The cost of commercials are set before the game, and are not affected by how close or not it is. Pepsi doesn't get its $4 million back if the game is a blow out. Football has several very long term contracts for television rights, and the money is already agreed up. The NFL does not make any more money or less money because of the result of any particular game, except very indirectly (like, if the Raiders were to win a super bowl, merchandise purchases would go through the roof).
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    I don't know what you don't get man. Some games get fixed. In every sport. It's how it is. That doesn't mean every game, and that doesn't mean they players don't play hard, and play for the win. That there isn't skill. That everyone is in the know. I don't believe that. I don't think they do know. It's sad for them too, but there's not much anyone can do. I get it that it's hard, nearly impossible, to get behind it when you consider that, but that's life. So I think they do the same thing. They do their part, and higher forces, are what they are.

    1. How the hell do you know this? You mean there's no evidence.

    2. Ok. You believe they influence it in general, but can't comprehend a particular game would get fixed. Alright. Keep on believing so.

    3. Riiiiiight. Even if the officials don't care when you have billions at stake, someone cares.

    4. We already have plenty of documented evidence games got fixed.

    5. That's precisely why there is a need to fix it. Aren't all other sports billion dollar industries too? And yet they get fixed all the time. Money is always the reason. Outcomes affect cash flow. Big money. This isn't complicated. The answer is simple. Other times it's also political.

    6. So the league doesn't like outside influences affecting the refs that might be against their interest. Makes perfect sense. The league wants that control.

    7. Yes it's always just sheer coincidences. But at some point, statistics and improbabilities have to be taken into consideration, and at that point it's just basic freaking math. The NFL outcomes, especially in the past 10 years, are not just statistical improbabilities, but damn near mathematical impossibilities.

    8. That's not how business works. The NFL doesn't get to do a hit and run with companies like Pepsi. The contracts aren't permanent. They have to do business with these companies again and have been doing business for decades.
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    The play-offs and super bowl were definitely rigged, otherwise there is no way a team that sucked as much as the Ravens did would have won. Thanks for illuminating that Terrell.
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    Makes me SICK how someone this incredibly stupid and ugly is making millions of dollars.
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    I LOVE that Suggs said this.

    I know Suggs is an idiot.

    You know Suggs is an idiot.

    Now EVERYONE knows Suggs is an idiot.

    Big win for us!

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