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    Well Peyton did get a red carpet rolled out before him on his road to the Superbowl so whining can help.
     
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    wow even when they win they can't show class. him and stabby mcstabberson (52) are just crazy
     
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    It's Ray Lewis too. And the "the Ray Lewis story" last year was pretty well drummed up.

    This is what's funny about people who don't believe it. "If it was true someone would say something".

    And when people do they usually get blasted for it. I honestly think football fans are the most rabbid and gullible fanbase when it comes to this and have bought hook, line and sinker into the "integrity of the game" to the point where they become vicious against anyone that might try to point it out.


    The one difference between football fans and other sports, like for example NBA or soccer fans is that they kind of tend to expect it, and look for it each and every game and see if the refs are messing with it.

    Football is the easiest sport there is to rig, as the way you can influence the game can be completely oblivious to the watching spectator since it doesn't have to be done on a very obvious scoring play. A 3rd and long, a 4th and short, a safety, a fumble, a replay that goes unturned, a pass interference call, a holding call that sometimes gets called -or not called - depending on the situation....any of those situation in a critical moment can effect the outcome of the game drastically and can mean as much as an offsides goal in soccer that gets uncalled or a blatant flop in the NBA that earns the player a trip to the basket. In football, it simply much harder to notice it in the same consistent fashion because it can be any number of situations.

    And unlike those other sports, the NFL basically has a free card from the justice department, that they can do as they wish as long as it's for "entertainment purposes" and it's pretty much legal. They do in fact have a similar WWE type business structure. So if it happens in other sports where they do get busted quite often, and it's pretty illegal, it's pretty gullible to consider everything that takes place in football time after time, game after game, year after year, as coincidences. Especially some of the statistical impossibilities that have been taking place. There is no other sport on earth that has as much controlled refereeing as football as an integral part of the game. It's just so ridiculously easy and sometimes the decision to throw or not throw a flag might be worth billions in profit to the NFL.

    Just how many millions- or was it billion? - in gambling money was exchanged last year in that Green Bay-Seattle game again? Yeah thank god for the replacement refs and not having to deal with those guys again ;)

    I just think the NFL has the public whipped.
     
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    it's not illegal if they're not calling it; and the officials certainly were "letting them play" throughout the game. That wasn't a good thing for Torrey, but the Ravens actually ended up benefiting the most with that no-call on the 49ers' final snap. Smith finished with 2 catches for 35 yards and also drew a key pass interference penalty against Culliver on 3rd and 9 just after the 49ers had closed to within 31-29. He also made a big 'defensive' play when he prevented Culliver from getting an INT (photo below) on a pass in the 2nd quarter.

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    " It got even worse on the Ravens' final drive of the first half, with Flacco targeting Culliver on two incomplete passes, the second of which easily could have been called an offensive pass interference call on Baltimore receiver Torrey Smith."

    Sorry, Suggly....Goody only called for the blackout to make it LOOK like it wasn't a fix for YOUR Ravens...and now, thanks to your braying, the real crime will go unpunished.
     
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    This isn't an answer. If you believe games are fixed, why watch? I still haven't heard an answer. I have yet to hear someone who truly believes this give a good answer. If you believe this, you are wasting your time. Saying, "I try to put it out of my mind" is not an answer. Well, it's an answer, but what you're saying is: (1) I know it's fixed. (2) I am capable of self-delusion. (3) So, I pretend it's not fixed, and then I enjoy it.

    There are words for that. Crazy is the pejorative one. Irrational is the other. If you genuinely believe it is fixed, it is irrational to watch, because the fix takes away the only thing that makes it worth watching. Unless you watch football like people watch wrestling.

    I'm going to state my position very clearly on this, in the stupid hope that some your will come around, even though I know that's ridiculous.

    1) There has never been a single occasion in which Roger Goodell has communicated with the referees a command or instruction to favor one team over another by making calls they don't in their judgment believe.

    2) There are circumstances in which coaches, team officials, and the league itself have influenced the game itself (but not individual games), by points of emphasis or by campaigning about certain issues, and these issues affect competition on the field and may disproportionately affect certain teams. This happens in all sports. I don't view it as nefarious in the least. It is a game played by and officiated by humans.

    3) Officials do not care who wins the games to which they are assigned and believe their single most important mission is to try to call the game consistently and fairly.

    4) The fact that Fenerbache and Gallatasary have had point shaving scandals does not convince me that football is fixed. Rather, the fact that they have been caught even in highly corrupt countries convinces me of the opposite.

    5) Football is a multi-billion dollar industry, and there is no need to fix it. Of all the things that could destroy it, nothing would do so faster than a credible report that games are fixed. It would be the single most stupid thing to do in the history of sports.

    6) Some individuals are susceptible to weakness. Can I say that no bookie has ever gotten to a ref or player? I can't, though I am doubtful. I do, however, have connections to NFL refs. The lengths that the league goes to in order to prevent this from happening are, in a word, extraordinary. Other than, perhaps, CIA agents, there are very few people in the world whose lives are more thoroughly and continuously investigated than NFL officials. You would be shocked at the level of privacy they voluntarily give up with respect to their private lives, their financial records, their cell phone records, and the like, and you would also be shocked at the lengths that NFL security goes to.

    7) The sheer stupidity of some of the claims of ref fixing never continue to amaze me. Every time I hear one, there are always dozens of things I look back on in the game that would not have happened if it all were true.

    8) The Superdome black out actually cost the networks some money by requiring them to have to re-run commercials. The cost of commercials are set before the game, and are not affected by how close or not it is. Pepsi doesn't get its $4 million back if the game is a blow out. Football has several very long term contracts for television rights, and the money is already agreed up. The NFL does not make any more money or less money because of the result of any particular game, except very indirectly (like, if the Raiders were to win a super bowl, merchandise purchases would go through the roof).
     
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    I don't know what you don't get man. Some games get fixed. In every sport. It's how it is. That doesn't mean every game, and that doesn't mean they players don't play hard, and play for the win. That there isn't skill. That everyone is in the know. I don't believe that. I don't think they do know. It's sad for them too, but there's not much anyone can do. I get it that it's hard, nearly impossible, to get behind it when you consider that, but that's life. So I think they do the same thing. They do their part, and higher forces, are what they are.

    1. How the hell do you know this? You mean there's no evidence.

    2. Ok. You believe they influence it in general, but can't comprehend a particular game would get fixed. Alright. Keep on believing so.

    3. Riiiiiight. Even if the officials don't care when you have billions at stake, someone cares.

    4. We already have plenty of documented evidence games got fixed.

    5. That's precisely why there is a need to fix it. Aren't all other sports billion dollar industries too? And yet they get fixed all the time. Money is always the reason. Outcomes affect cash flow. Big money. This isn't complicated. The answer is simple. Other times it's also political.

    6. So the league doesn't like outside influences affecting the refs that might be against their interest. Makes perfect sense. The league wants that control.

    7. Yes it's always just sheer coincidences. But at some point, statistics and improbabilities have to be taken into consideration, and at that point it's just basic freaking math. The NFL outcomes, especially in the past 10 years, are not just statistical improbabilities, but damn near mathematical impossibilities.

    8. That's not how business works. The NFL doesn't get to do a hit and run with companies like Pepsi. The contracts aren't permanent. They have to do business with these companies again and have been doing business for decades.
     
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    The play-offs and super bowl were definitely rigged, otherwise there is no way a team that sucked as much as the Ravens did would have won. Thanks for illuminating that Terrell.
     
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    Makes me SICK how someone this incredibly stupid and ugly is making millions of dollars.
     
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    I LOVE that Suggs said this.

    I know Suggs is an idiot.

    You know Suggs is an idiot.

    Now EVERYONE knows Suggs is an idiot.

    Big win for us!
     
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    Could Goodall the Jester have helped rig the game? Sure, he could've.

    And Elanor Roosevelt might have grown propellers on her t!ts and led bombing missions over Germany.

    But she didn't. And he didn't.

    But Suggs & Ray have another 15 minutes of fame and get people talking about them because, you know, it's ALWAYS about them. ALWAYS.

    I'm surprised they haven't gotten Favre involved with this stuff because he's cut from the same crazy quilt as they are. :cool:
     
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    Hahaha. That is all I have in response to this. What a bunch of maroons the Baltimore Ravens are.

    Although, can't you just picture Roger Goodell standing by the fuse box in New Orleans with a giddy evil smile on his face, right before he flips the switch?
     
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    Ravens..."Toughest" wineasses ever....cry when you lose and cry when you WIN A F'N SB! Please let them lose 10 games this year...
     
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    Maybe if Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs were not so fixated on conspiracy theories then the game wouldn't have been as close as it was.

    I understand the concept of playing the disrespect card and us against the world to fuel your adrenaline before the game begins, but what is the point of bringing it up months after the fact?

    My question to Lewis and Suggs would be this: if indeed there was some kind of plot by the league to fix the game, then how do they explain the final play of the game going in their favor?
     
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    They're not saying the outcome of the game was fixed against them....it was fixed in their favor. Just not a blowout. That's all he's saying. The NFL didn't want a blowout.

    And I would imagine some players who put their bodies and hearts on the line, give enough of a **** to speak out on it. Must be vomit-inducing for them, especially if they have even more information than some outsiders do. I'm glad they speak out on it.

    I mean come on, how many people on this forum alone didn't predict the Harbowl and the Ray Lewis swang song way before it even happened? I remember the conversations right here. Many saw it coming. Is it too shocking to handle to actually get some confirmation?

    Just as I predicted the sucky ass Chiefs would whoop Carolina, after the unfortunate suicide of Jevone Belcher. 1 penalty called against the Chiefs vs how many for the Panthers, and Chiefs win easily. Like a freaking script.

    Torry Smith's brother death and his 2 TD heroic day, which included numerous punching bag matches by the Ravens against our players right in front of the refs. Literally in front of their face and blows to the face.

    Numerous other instances.
     
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    Scene -- INT; a dirty bathroom. Loud noises; crowds cheering. A middle age man in a suit is hunched on the floor, next to urine and dirty beer cups.

    "Hey, Stevie, do you know who this is?‎

    Yeah, hi Roger, why aren’t you watching the game?‎

    Nooo! Don’t use my name. Listen, you call me “Eagle.” ‎

    Uh, ok, Rog. I mean, Eagle. Where are you?‎

    I had to sneak out of my box. I’m locked in to the family restroom, so I could call you. Did you ‎just see the Ravens return that kick?‎

    Yeah, that was amazing – 108 yards. I think that’s a record for the Super Bowl.‎

    Amazing my butt. This is a blow out.‎

    A blow out? There’s an entire half left and it’s a three-score game.‎

    No, no, we can’t have this.‎

    Can’t have what?‎ You want the 49ers to win.

    Yeah, no, I don't know. We can't have a blow out!‎

    Rog, er, Eagle, it’s not a blow out. The 49ers are good. Just see what happens. What’s the ‎problem with a blow out anyway?‎

    The game needs to be close.‎

    Why?‎

    So we’ll make money.‎

    You realize that many super bowls in history are blowouts. Yet it’s become one of the greatest ‎televised live events in the world. People love the super bowl. The score is only relevant to the ‎hardcores any way -- they are all at parties and stuff. They stay until its over. Young hipsters is who we want, and they are not score dependent. Just get their eyeballs, as they say.

    But what about the advertisers who paid millions for fourth quarter commercials?

    Eagle, remember that super bowl commercials are sold in packages. You have a minimum buy in ‎unless you're grandfathered like Go Daddy – and then you get a package of slots that even out the ‎risk with respect to the time of the game and the situation. It’s genius really – that’s how they ‎make money even for the halftime slots. Plus, who cares? That’s the networks’ problem not ‎ours.‎

    But we need the networks to keep paying us.‎

    Rog, we signed long-term deals in 2011 with all the nets worth 27 billion dollars. Don’t worry ‎about it.‎

    No, no, Pepsi is going to get mad. I don’t want Pepsi to be mad at us.‎

    Rog, they are not going to be mad. They sell that crap by the gallon after the super bowl. Plus, ‎it’s about brand awareness. And, don’t forget, it doesn’t matter when your ad runs, because ‎every internet outlet in the world replays the super bowl ads and gets tens of millions more ‎eyeballs after the game. ‎Also, do you realize that 30 second slots for the super bowl have gone up over 400 percent in a decade?

    No, we need this game to be close.‎ I don't care what it takes.

    Well, hopefully the 49ers will rally.‎

    I was thinking of something a little more, say, interventionist.‎

    Like what?‎

    Look, get your butt down to the French Quarter and find some crack addict with a wrench. Tell ‎him where the transformer is and put him to work.‎

    What?‎

    You heard me.‎

    But, Rog . . . Eagle, that will mean a television delay. People will turn the channel. It could be a ‎disaster. What if it takes too long to fix. Then you’d really be creating a problem. Won’t that ‎make Pepsi more mad.‎ What if they can't fix it until tomorrow. Superbowl Monday? Now you're starting to talk about stuff that actually could get expensive.

    Just have him hit it softly with the wrench. Not too hard.‎

    Rog, we can’t do that. Plus, how do you know that will even change the game? What if there’s ‎an hour delay, and then the Ravens score again.‎

    No, this will help the 49ers. That’s obvious. Everyone can see it. Do your job.‎"
     
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    Terrell, is that you? Seriously, if they didn't want a blow out to keep folks watching, a power outage is not the way to go. People get bored waiting for the lights to come back on and switch the channel. That is the opposite of what the NFL wants for its biggest game of the year.
     
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    People don't get bored during a Superbowl when there's a full half left to play. And ratings pretty much confirmed this.

    Close games keep people glued. It's a known fact. Not sure why this is even a point of debate.

    What Suggs is saying isn't even remotely close to crazy. They were on their way to dominating them and an outage buys time to plan an intervention.

    They would have gotten bored if the Ravens would have continued scoring in that third quarter and put the 49ers away early.

    Of course a "mysterious abnormality in the electrical system" is a much more plausible explanation though. Can't see why anyone would ever question it.

    And if you don't buy the NFL is interested in ratings, and how it affects making money, how about the fact that a score of 31-29 means the Ravens couldn't cover the 4 point spread and the public lost. They wouldn't have in a blowout.
     
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