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Who will take their place? We really have no one behind them besides Edelman and Slater
Next man up .... just like all the other roster positions that aren't manned by stud backups.
Resign Branch or Gaffney (or both).
Branch and Gaffney make a lot of sense. Don't rule out a trade with the Rams or something like that.
I can see gaffney coming back after injury
Edelman to the rescue. :rocker:
If Welker is out I'd rather see Edelman out there over Branch. If Lloyd is down it better be someone with an ability to get deep. That's not Branch's game and probably isn't Gaffney's either.
So we re-sign Branch Gaffney or Stallworth off the Shadow Roster. NBD.
....generally speaking, I would guess a combination of Edelman and Fells meaning 3 TE's but Hernandez likely playing more slot.
I'm not just going to blindly say in bill we trust but what appears to be too risky to us has surely been planned for by BB. And I don't think he's done this with the anticipation of getting someone back (Jab) or picking up a cut.
My 2 cents.
Lots of people are anticipating that Branch and/or Gaffney are on the shadow roster. That may be true, but that shouldn't overshadow the fact that Edelman looked very strong in camp and was the most productive receiver in pre-season play. Critics will make excuses for Gaffney, but Edelman won the #3 job straight up.
This offense is going to feature Hernandez. A five-wide look will probably include 2 TEs, perhaps with Woodhead or Vereen out wide. And it looks like the Pats will also feature a power running game. I expect they will sign a FA FB off waivers, which Josh obviously wants.
Sooo... if Lloyd goes down, Slater is our deep threat. If Welker goes down, it's Edelman in the slot doing what he did three years ago.
I actually feel really good about the roster as it stands. We can spread them out, or line up in the power-I. Depth is good. It's just FB that needs a solution.
Positional versatility makes the WR situation seem thin. But it's not.
Woodhead, Vereen, Hernandez, Gronkowski are all exceptional in the passing game. Worst case, we could go five-wide with those four plus a single deep threat, and run a pretty credible offensive set.
yeah what was Bill thinking we need 5 great receivers and not use gronk and ahern because thats how the nfl work. (sarcasm) We are not the Saints we dont need 3 WR to be good we have arguably two of the best TE in the game, the best slot WR and a very good number 1 WR, add Woodhead out the backfield we will be ok! People forget Edelmen is a very good backup.Branch can come in anytime a-la two years ago. This lineup is stacked! We have to calm down folks! lets get the beers ready and enjoy this season! God i love football!
If either of them go down we will unleash our 5 TE set. Hernandez at HB, Fells bunched, Gronk in the slot and Shiancoe outside. And then we get Julian Edelman to play TE (because he plays everything. He's our backup kicker... and Head Coach)... Assuming he's still on the team. I haven't seen our 53 man roster yet.
Edleman played extensively for Welker in the Tampa game. He never caught a ball. In pre season action in 3 games he was 6/60. In far more limited action in 2 games Branch was 4/70. Branch will likely be available because he doesn't want to finish anywhere else. According to Bedard last night there are multiple teams interested in Gaffney. Problem is his quad won't be rehabbed sufficiently for a workout for another few weeks. He isn't limited to returning here. If Lloyd or Welker goes down, they better be able to run the ball.
Does anyone think we have 4 TE's?
We have 2 - fells and shiancoe.
That gives us the best 4 WR's in football.
Did slater line up at wide out even once the whole preseason? Basically leaves them with 3 recievers if they don't make a move thats just asking for trouble. Don't want another 06 or 09.
First a general rule of thumb - If your best player at their position goes down your production is likely to be damaged. The way we worry about what will happen if so and so goes down is pathetic. We make it sound like no other team has any problems. Go ask a Lions fan who's backing up Calvin Johnson and see if he's excited by the prospect.
That being said here is what I think our back up receivers will work should something happen.
1. If Welker goes down, Edelman replaces him'
2. If Lloyd goes down, there are a couple of choices. The best physical fit would be Hernandez. Remember Lloyd is a deep threat, but not a speed threat. IIRC Hernandez is actually faster. In the short run, Hernandez would give us a receiver with the kind of size, quick feet, body control, and speed, to run all the routes that Lloyd will run.
However I think that in the long run the threat Hernandez presents by being moved all over the field in his current position is greater than the threat he would present on the outside as the Z. So if that were the case I'd send Edelman out there. He's faster but not as strong and a different kind of receiver. We'd have to run different patterns in that case.
There 's also the Gaffney option, but Gaffney isn't Lloyd either.
3. If Gronk goes down, the world as we know know it will soon cease to exist. But until that time Fells would back him up, He would be a capable replacement, but a step down in both blocking and receiving.
4. If Hernandez goes down Shiancoe would replace him. Also a capable replacement but a step down from Hernandez as a receiver
The problem with injuries is that you are never as good as you would be be with the "starter". But that doesn't mean that you can't get the job done with a combination of everyone who is left. Remember if one of the big 4 goes down, Brady will still have more elite targets than most NFL teams. It will be up to the coaches and Brady to elevate the replacement to put him into the the best situations possible to get the most out of his skills.
Who was our depth last year after Welker and Branch? Shockingly, the WR position is still an improved from last year, although I do agree the depth is non existent. However, I still believe one of Gaffney or Branch end up back on this team.
I understand gaffney is hurt... but your going to tell me shancioe... or ever how you spell it, made the team from the tub, while gaffney who is know quality was cut.. ????
Answer: Secret weapon Marcus Forston!
It appears by several sources that Gaffney has an injury. MLR says that it is to his quad and could take several weeks to fully heal. My guess is that Gaffney's injury had a lot to do with his departure here.
Schiancoe is either apparently not too far from playing, or Belichick feels that he'd rather have a full TE arsenal at his disposal for the future. The possibility exists for both.
Don't worry, there will be another WR signed and it may be a familiar face to boot. Belichick is on top of it.
There are no remaining familiar faces on the market. Bill signed the last three in existence this off season and then cut them all. And Gaffney's injury is said to be personally guesstimated to be of a week or two in remaining duration, not several weeks. That is what he has told multiple teams who are interested in working him out.
Shiancoe may yet land on IR. And word was out early yesterday that he was being cut. That usually emanates from players or agents, and may indicate he knows he's not long for the roster.
Please don't compare this team to the '06 squad. Really. The #1 receiver on that team was....wait for it....Reche Caldwell. Their team's top 4 receiving stats:
Caldwell: 61 rec, 760 yds, 4 td
Watson: 49 rec, 643 yds, 3 td
Brown: 43 rec, 384 yds, 4 td
Faulk: 43 rec, 356 yds, 2 td
I mean, that's pathetic. Compare that to the top 4 receivers on the team this year, and their stats last year:
Welker: 122 rec, 1569 yds, 9 td
Gronkowski: 90 rec, 1327 yds, 17 td
Hernandez: 79 rec, 910 yds, 7 td
Lloyd (Den/StL): 70 rec, 966 yds, 5 td
I mean, the best receiving option on the 2006 Patriots wouldn't be even the 4th best receiving option on the 2012 Patriots.
They may have some depth issues, but the top 4 receiving options for this football team are probably the best group of 4 that any team in the league has.
I gave your post a "Like", but I do wish folks would quit $hitting all over Reche Caldwell.
He was brought in here to be the #3 WR and caught 61 passes for 760, had a 2yr $2 million contract. He wasn't exactly Ochocinco.
Blame the FO for letting Branch and Givens go that year - - but that guy OUTPLAYED his expectations and contract.
There are no replacements for welker or Lloyd. If one or both of them go down, the scheme is in big trouble.
Neither Edelman nor slater has done a thing at WR the lest 2 years
Being a Cornerback/PR/KR and a Safety/ProBowl STer will cut into one's snaps at WR.
That being said, NOBODY can do for the Pats what Llloyd and Welker present. Best guess is Gaffney and Branch are both on speed dial and have both been consulted about the next few weeks.
Only because they are ineffective at WR ..... If he was an effective WR, then his snaps at the other spots would be cut own.
Your logic is not sound
My point wasn't about Caldwell. He was an adequate #3 WR. The point is that an adequate #3 WR was by far their NUMBER ONE receiver. He isn't nearly as good as any of the top 4 guys on the team now. So my point was that the person worrying that we'll be like the 2006 offense need not worry. It's not even close.
If a team doesn't pick up Gaffney I could see BB bringin him back with his history and this pre season feel. Branch also could be brought back as well. We DEF Need a WR but I can also A.Hern bein used along with 2 TE set.
no. the patriots will be fine if they have 3 of the 4 big weapons - lloyd, welker, hernandez and gronk. if 2 of them go down it will be the super bowl all over again....
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