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    Sal Paolantonio is the author of the new book, "The Paolantonio Report: The Most Overrated and Underrated Players, Teams, Coaches & Moments in NFL History." Here are his five most overrated quarterbacks of all-time:

    1. Joe Namath: His legend has much more to do with his Super Bowl III performance and his prolific off-field antics than his career stats.

    2. Brett Favre: His image in the media has been hyperinflated to the good ol' boy routine, and that's why people like him.

    3. Terry Bradshaw: He was ultimately an average quarterback who was surrounded by the greatest cast of talent ever assembled on one NFL roster, including eight Hall of Fame players.

    4. Ken Stabler: His only accomplishment was winning the 1976 Super Bowl where the Raiders mostly ran and the defense stifled Fran Tarkenton.

    5. Tony Romo: He barely made the team, and after one season of play he became a full-fledged superstar without really accomplishing anything to deserve it.

    Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

    * I agree for the most part.
    The media has overinflated a lot of these guys. Favre, for example, has been given a free ride on a lot of bad decisions in his career. I would even consider putting Manning at 6.
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    basically agree. SB victories are very, very overrated in judging greatness, and Sal sees this as well.

    winning a SB takes a whole team, just b/c some QB's didn't play on a good team, or with great players, doesn't make them lesser QB's. and just b/c a decent QB played on a team with a historically great defense and a great running attack (Bradshaw) doesn't make him great. we should be able to separate team accomplishments from individual, if we are trying to judge individuals

    just look at Tom Brady this year vs last - he's the same guy, but lots of people think hes "better". they're wrong, he just has better teamates now

    some QB's are fortunate to play on great teams (Bradshaw) others dont get the same chances (Marino).

    SB wins = very overrated
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    I think I disagree on Favre. He has looked horrible the last two years, but he's back. Shows what a good defense and some receivers can do for you. He's not pressing, trying to make things happen. AT THE SAME TIME, I don't think he has a corp of receivers like NE, or Indy (a healthy Indy) has. IMO, if you have no allegance to ANY team, Favre would be more fun to watch than Brady or Manning, hands down.
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    and that is a big reason why he is overrated. people like his personality and his style, so they overrate his actual results. they WANT to love him
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    Wow, I agree with all 5. I don't know about Romo, no one really mentions him as an all-time great like the others, but the top 4 I all definitely agree with. Especially Favre, who had a couple good years and then was overrated from 1997 onwards. Though this year he's been bizarrely good, even I have to admit that. I'd offer up Steve Young as my number 5 in place of Romo because it is "all-time" (Young's HOF acceptance speech should've consisted of four words: "Thank you Jerry Rice."), but it's all good.
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    Romo is a serious upgrade from Bledsoe and has been a key contributor to Cows wins. Today's media makes lots of noise about everyone. Romo is one of the better NFL QBs.

    Rthlsbrgr should be listed as over rated. Like Peyton, he's dissapeared in critical playoff games including a horrible performance in the Steelers' SB win.
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    You have to include Big Ben in that list.. Talk about over-rated.
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    Why are people saying Roeth is overrated? For a guy who's had a phenomenal start to his career he doesn't get any talk at all and he's clearly a much better QB than a lot of the people calling him a system QB or whatever are giving him credit for.

    I don't understand Romo being on the list. He improved drastically from what he was a couple years ago, so he's overrated NOW? Why does his level of play from when he was some dude on the bench affect his quality of play now? What is Sal even getting at?
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    Totally totally agree on Namath. NY bias at its worst. How did this guy get into the Hall??

    Totally disagree on Favre. great player, great character, exciting to watch.

    Somewhat agree on Bradshaw.

    Disagree on Stabler only because I do not think he is so highly rated to be overrated.

    Disagree on Romo because it is way to early. He is a good, exciting young QB who was a UFA. He got about the same money as a #1 pick QB who has done nothing, and he's been pretty good.
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    (slaps head)
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    CHFF has demonstrated rather convincingly that Marino did have good teams, but was not great in the clutch himself. Maybe he made people around him worse by being a jerk.
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    I did already.

    Ben just happens to play on a team that has national appeal (because they had a dominant team when all the Forgotten Gen-ers were kids). Same thing goes for Romo (except his team was popular when Gen-X were kids).
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    Quote:
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    Totally disagree on Favre. great player, great character, exciting to watch.


    (slaps head)


    Not sure what your comment means, but I was referring to football character -- good team guy who makes plays.
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    I disagree on any of these players being the most overrated in the history of the NFL. My list is:

    1) Archie Manning - The founding father of the genic choke clan.
    2) Tony Eaison - The glass QB
    3) Herschel Walker - How dumb were the Vikings to trade all those draft picks.
    4) Brian Bosworth - The classic case of over hype.
    5) Eli Manning - He did make San Diego a better team.


    Four of players on the original list were good enough to help thier teams get to the Superbowl, and how can Romo be overrated he's only played 1 season.
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    thats usually the stuff that is said about a guy who people want to like but can't find anything else to say. or they are ignoring how many INT's he threw

    Favre had a good couple years, but this is the first year in many (at least since 2000) that he has been a top 5 QB
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    That's the point. Archie Manning was a decent QB, but he doesn't get HOF looks. Nor does Eason... in fact, very few people would know who Eason was if they aren't Patriots fans. Herschel Walker was overrated at the time, but not by posterity. Brian Bosworth can't be overrated, he played all of 5 games or so in the NFL; he's more like a joke.

    Maybe you meant "overhyped." That's not overrated. An "all-time overrated" list is guys who were good, but their legacies have been propped up to something greater than they actually were.
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    so was Trent Dilfer
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    I disagree 100%.
    The best QB in an individual season may not be the one that wins the SB.
    But over the long haul, and especially a career, winning SBs is THE yardstick for QBs.
    The point of the game is to win. Judging by statistics is phony.

    You are saying that Marino was on bad teams and Bradshaw on good ones. Oh, really?
    Marino was drafted by the Dolphins, who were a playoff team when he was drafted. They had been to a SB just a year before. They were a PERENNIAL playoff team. They had a HOF Coach who had won SBs. They won games and made the playoffs many time with Marino. Marino was asked to carry the team, and couldn't. The large majority of their playoff losses were poor games by Marino.
    Terry Bradshaw was drafted by a 1-13 laughinstock with a new and unproven HC. With Bradshaw leading the way, they became a dynasty. While the role Bradshaw played APPEARS today to be less than what a QB does in this era, the game is different. It was HARDER to pass the ball in those years. There was no 5 yard chuck zone, receivers were beaten all over the field. You needed to throw the ball down the field, and although you threw less often, the success in the passing game was equally important. Teams simply did not win in that era with bad QBs.
    What is more pressure? Throwing 50 times a game 4 yards down the field (the WCO) and being 'good' if you complete 62% of them, or throwing 20 times a game, throwing the ball 15+ yards down the field, and being 'good' if you complete 55% of them? If the rules were changed back to pre-1980, you are out of your mind if you think there would be 4000 yard QBs. Marino wouldn't have come close to the numbers he put up if he played 10 years earlier within the rules that existed then.

    Now lets take it a step further.
    Who are the all-time 'winners' at QB?
    Bradshaw
    Brady
    Montana
    Elway
    Aikman
    -those are the ones who won the most SBs.

    Lets look at the 'great' teams they were on.
    Bradshaw. 1-13 laughingstock.
    Brady. Team was 5-13 before Brady took over, then went 14-3 and won 3 SB in 4 years.
    Montana. SF went 2-14 in back to back years prior to Montana
    Elway. Denver was a last place team.
    Aikman. Dallas was worst team in NFL, and won 1 game his first year.

    The difference is that GREAT QBs are THE REASON their teams are great. (Your argument is backwards. The teams were great because of the QB, not that they were great teams the QB walked into, in fact they were all awful)
    Every all-time winner at the QB position started on a team that was awful.

    To say that Marino was saddled with a bad team is ludicrous. He walked into a team ready to win, far better than the ones that Brady, Aikman, Bradshaw, Elway or Montana walked into. The fact that it never got better (and in fact the Dolphins ultimately were worse in the Marino years than they were in the years under Shula prior to him. From 71-82 they won 2 SBs and went to 4. From 83- the end of Marinos career they won none and went to 1.) I find it silly to think that after drafting Marino Shula forgot how to coach, forgot how to assemble talent, and the coach that went to a SB with David Woodley at QB, was the reason they couldnt go with Dan Marino.

    Do not let statistics blind you. The job of the QB is to make the plays that win games. While Marino was asked to throw 40 times, and Bradshaw 20, they both had plays where the game was in their hands, in the playoffs, and Bradshaw almost always came through, Marino almost always failed. That is the true yardstick.
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    no, the defense "led the way" all those years
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