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  1. Sean Pa Patriot

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    the only thing now on the team to be concerned with is probably the depth of safteys.... any thoughts on one of the CB moving to saftey, .. the only FA left out there on the safety market is atari bigby, or ken hamlin... unless u take a shot at Darren sharper... Something tells me Merriweather will not be on the team, chung is the one starter, and maybee when sanders gets healty... ?? the rest of the team is ready to rock.. as always anything can happen with inj, but there is no reason not why this team is not playing for the afc title game come jan...
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    Re: Saftey concerns..

    Sanders is hurt? I did not know that. What are the specifics?

    I am hoping that the Merweather rumors are wrong, as there is no reason not to keep him one more yr and get a 3rd or a 4th in a comp pick when he leaves for FA next yr.

    Unless they have a 2nd lined up of course, but even then Page/Mcgowan are both gone etc---I just don't see the major benefits of it right now.

    I think everything is fine with the position, but if BM goes then I dunno...certainly won't be a position of strength anymore.

    I still don't think Dowling's going to safety this yr, but I could be wrong of course.
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    Not sure I agree with Meriweather being on this team, he is undervalued by fans, but somehow his peers & coaches vote him into the pro bowl.

    Also think with Matt Patricia coaching this group, may be more cerebral than in the past.

    It probably could be improved, but looks fine.
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    Meriweather certainly isn't my favorite player. Seems to bounce off to many guys trying to make a big hit rather then just wrapping them up. But he is not terrible either and I think they would be foolish to let him go this season. He knows the system, and like it or not he will probably have to play a pretty big role in the secondary this year with the shortened offseason and all. There is no good reason in getting rid of him for draft picks at this point. The team is built to win now. If he sucks then limit his playing time. But we need the depth, especially from a vet.
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    Am I the only Sergio Brown fan in the house? I think he's solid depth.
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    Still think we will see Dowling at safety this year. With the lack of depth and the reports of Meriweather having a less than stellar camp, I think he will get Eugene Wilson-ized.

    I know Zolak said you don't draft a CB in the second round and move him to safety, but the Pats already did that with Wilson.
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    It's that fine RPI education!!!!

    Go Red!
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    Re: Saftey concerns..

    Of course, as much as I loved "Eugene My Man Wilson" in his first season (particularly on that hit on ... uhh, forget which Colts receiver), he really fell off the map quickly.
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    My concern is how you spell SAFETY ;)
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    Re: Saftey concerns..

    I think what is surprising me is the lack of real training camp depth at safety now... I'm probably missing some udfa's, but all I see are BM, Chung, Sanders, and Brown. Now, I'm fine with those four being our four regular season safeties (I'm fairly optimistic about Brown as well), but with this preseason being the way it is, the likelihood that we'll see all four healthy for week one is low. I'd rather have a fifth solid guy in camp for that inevitability.

    For that reason, the idea of trading Meriweather is extra strange. No way we're carrying three safeties on this team with the packages we run. Chung and Sanders are almost guaranteed to miss a game or two also.
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    Not only that, despite the media telling us that BB hates him, he still gets 85% of the snaps.


    I don't understand why this fanbase constantly needs to be trying to run some decent player out of town.
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    sorry lack of sleep , but thanks for being the spell checker for me...:D
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    I have been saying Safety was a major issue for the Pats after last year but was shouted down by the Pros on this forum. I think Bill wants some more competition. BM has looked like crap. JS sits out the dance and you got a guy like Malcomb Williams who was a CB back up in college, taking FS reps.

    I agree with you on Dowling. Is Dowling 4th CB as a 2nd rounder? Don't think so. I don't know what ST work Dowling will get so they did not hire him to replace Slater. He is noted for his size, tackling and hard nosed approach as well as ball skills. It screams Safety to me.

    Safety roster wise? You still have a back up Safety with a $3m CAP price which is way too much for what he brings. Then you have a Safety who will ask for the moon in 2012 so now is your chance to move him. You do have Chung and I think Brown is competing very well in TC too.

    Arrington was just resigned for his hard work. Maybe he is an answer. He even played DE last year.

    The guy I would take a shot at can't come to the Pats until Sept. 22nd. This is like the Jets with Holmes last year. They took a shot. I think Tanard Jackson of the Bucs would be a great pick up. He is sober now and "one more false move" and he is out. He will be watched closely by the league. He has Pro Bowl ability. This will allow you do redo the Safety roster. You can trade both BM and Sanders and hold on until Oct. with perhaps Chung and Arrington (or Dowling) as your starting Safeties. With Brown and perhaps Josh Barrett(who the Patriots also signed for two years for a reason). I say take a shot with Jackson. He has more talent than BM and Sanders. He can be great or lose his whole life with this recreational drug crap. I am sorry I have no idea why anyone does that, let alone a professional athlete who has more to lose. It is just plain stupid to me. It gains you nothing. Yeah I know...."It is so cool to be high!"...ah,yeh right.

    Check this link:

    Tanard Jackson's Future - Bucs Nation

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    People think Meri sucks yet they want to replace him with a dude that just wants to blaze and can't even get on the field. SMH..
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    Merriweather is going nowhere, it would leave us with no depth. As for Sanders being an overpaid backup, we often play 3 safeties. It's like saying our #3 WR is an overpaid backup.

    Arrington is the #3 CB, why waste his talents by moving him to safety?
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    Because DW Toys has been waiting for years to drive the bus out of Foxboro that everyone wants to put Meriweather and Sanders on. ;)
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    Reggie Wayne, I believe, and it was a great hit.
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    Re: Saftey concerns..

    More re-written history...
    First off, he suffered a major injury in the SB his first year in 2003.
    In the 2004 SB, Wilson broke his arm similar to what happened to Rodney.

    It was only after the 2nd injury that Wilson's play went downhill.
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    Ross Ventrone and Josh Barrett say "HI"

    Ventrone is a UDFA, but Barrett is a FS whom the Pats got off waivers last year from Denver. He was injured all year, but he's got a lot of skill and many people were surprised that BB broke the "unwritten" rule that you don't claim a player that another team is trying to put on IR..
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    I have seena little bit of Ventrone at camp this year. Pure energy from what I have seen. Looks like a gamer. Could be a good special teamer.

    Bring back Tank Johnson!
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    When Dowling was drafted, most people had him going to FS. With Sanders as one safety and Chung as the other, I am comfortable with that for a year (but I'm not Belichick). The question comes up in relying on Brown and Dowling (a lot of inexperience there) as the back-ups.

    This idea that Meriweather couldn't be shipped out is false. The Pats could easily ship him out. And it's not about "BB hating on Meriweather". It's about BB wanting players to play within the system because it works. When you freelance, you leave open holes that the other team exploits and it costs you. The question is will the downgrade in talent outweigh the results from the improvement of defensive play. If the answer is yes, then BB likely won't do it.
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    I think this 'free-lancing' stuff is way overdone. Does he take some bad routes? Yes, although that can be improved upon, much like a CF in baseball. Does he go for the big hit too often rather than wrapping up? Yes, but I just described 80% of the safeties in the league.

    I'm not recalling a ton a big plays given up because Merriweather wasn't where he was supposed to be. Perhaps you can offer examples.
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    I think Brett Lockett is still in camp too, although he makes glass look like titanium and is more interested in Kardashian booty and rapping than football.
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    Woa up on that Cousin. I have no problem with Merriweather. You stand corrected CT.
    But I think Sanders is nothing more than an adequate backup. He is a JAG and replaceable in my humble opinion. As you all say, you can't have all super stars. JS is getting paid starter money and I don't see anything that resembles his contract worth.
    But $3m is way too much. Does anyone deny that?

    My Merriweather comments are because of the cashola he will want in 2012 when we can replace him now for a decent pick if someone like Dallas has a major back end need. He won't be worth a new super contract here but Jerry might want him for star power and Rob Ryan might let him freelance.

    I like BM, but it is his future contract that makes me say get what you can now. Yes on JS. He is not my cup of tea.
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    BM tends to. ;)
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    It must be the double major of Aeronautical and Mechanical Engineering! My son was in the same fraternity as Patricia (not the same years).
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    Merryweather will be motivated for contract year...
    enjoy this chance and get a compensatory if he will go in FA :rocker:
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    I too believe that Merriweather is at risk this year. Despite this being his contract year, I just don't like his freelancing and late illegal hits.

    I like Sanders and think that Sergio Brown has looked great the two time I have seen him at camp this summer.

    I would like to see Barrett on the field more because I am intrigued by his size (6'2" 225#). he could be used like Williams a few years back as a Big Nickel S/LB.

    Don't discount Ross Ventrone! He has been used all over the field. During the Season Ticket holder practice Ventrone was working with the DLine in tackling drills. He played RB in another practice when they were short. He can play WR as well as S. You know BB loves versatility and Special Teams players.
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    He was good for two years and he fell off the map because he lost his edge after repeated injuries. He then sucked at both safety and CB. This would have happened if he stayed his entire career at CB and had similiar injuries.
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