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    [edit: we're not giving that idiot what he wants by giving him web page hits]

    Couldn't have said it better myself!!
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    Re: Ron Borges.......yes, THAT Ron Borges' outstanding column

    You agree with his character assault on BB?
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    Re: Ron Borges.......yes, THAT Ron Borges' outstanding column

    BB is not a good loser. That's part of what makes BB tick and you're never going to change that part of his personna (see Bobby Knight) and I'm fine with it (see Pete Carroll) but Bill does himself no favors with his brusk manner after games.
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    Re: Ron Borges.......yes, THAT Ron Borges' outstanding column

    Typical of him.

    It's so nice to have another article to ignore.
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    Re: Ron Borges.......yes, THAT Ron Borges' outstanding column

    Trust me I'm no Borges fan but this is a very fair article and one that compliments the Patriots in many ways. As I said in an earlier post I think this team came in overconfident and that's what ultimately killed them. They didn't play with the ferocity they needed to for 60 minutes. They're only human and the 18 - 0 record and all the pressure and hype that came with it impacted their mojo.
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    Re: Ron Borges.......yes, THAT Ron Borges' outstanding column

    Ya this article is greatly flawed.

    Realistically...everyone plans parades. I'm sure BB had no part of trademarking 19-0. If anyone is to blame it is the continual onslaught of the media. The Fins didn't have to deal with this to this extent.
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    You probably did and he just stole it.
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    Post of the day.:rocker:
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    Come on guys. Lots of our local media commented on how different the Patriots approached this SB week. Even BB was out on the town doing parties and there is nothing wrong with that but it's a departure from the way this team handled SB weeks in the past. Simply a coincidence this is the one we lost when we got outplayed and outphysicaled by a less talented team? I don't think so.
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    LOL that's a great line. :D
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    Re: Ron Borges.......yes, THAT Ron Borges' outstanding column

    I wouldn't want him to be a happy loser. And I dont care about his 'persona'.
    I do think its assinine that Ron Borges feels qualified to judge his CHARACTER though.
    The last 1 second is a cheap shot waiting to happen, and guys like Borges who truly lack character jump all over it.
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    No, I'm sure you're right. I just don't want to read it. Lots of posters here made the observation already and I can look back and agree with them.

    I don't need Borges to tell me anything new.
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    there is truth to that IMO... they could have gotten away with it if there were 2nd half adjustments. but there were none.
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    Re: Ron Borges.......yes, THAT Ron Borges' outstanding column

    I have a question here.
    Exactly how do you judge from your television set the amount of intensity and 'ferocity' the team played with?
    Please show me all of the plays where they didn't try hard.
    Nothing annoys me more than those kind of comments.

    Just to understand, you think that the Patriots would have won the game if they cared more and tried harder? The Giants weren't out there making plays, the Patriots had everything they wanted but just didnt try hard enough to make the play?
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    Something was up with BB, all the way down to his red hoodie.

    One thought crossed my mind. If Matt Walsh actually has something on him, could BB be worried about getting suspended? Could that have weighed on his mind?

    I hope not but I just can't figure out some of his decisions and lack of adjustments. It wasn't typical BB.

    Was Ernie Adams out sick or something?
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    I saw a boatload of adjustments.
    Why is it that when they work, all anyone wants to talk about are the 2nd half adjustments, but when they don't everyone assumes they didn't make any?

    Blaming play calling, 'adjustments', intensity, etc is just a more politically correct excuse than blaming the refs.
    Suck it up. They lost because the other team played better. I will never understand how it makes anyone feel better about a loss by blaming it on something other than the players, or making excuse for them that they didnt have 'intensity' as if to say "We are really better there was just this one thing".
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    If he's facing a possible suspension, it's all the more reason to coach the game of your life. No? In any event the loss was more on execution than game planning, although neither aspect was up to the levels that we'd normally expect.
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    borges is a class A jackass.

    the article was pretty good.

    i don't know much about borges' character other than he lifted some stuff from a meaningless column for his meaningless column.

    I do know that BB has shown to have some character flaws much greater than not attributing some work.
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    Would you use the word relentless to describe the Patriots D? Or their O?? Would definitely use that word to describe the Giants D. Did you find it interesting that only after the Patriots got down 10 to 7 in the 4th quarter their offense came to life and they marched right down the field and scored after they had been stuck in neutral and hadn't scored since the opening drive of the game? What causes these sudden swings in momentum?? Emotion does. Patriots particularly on O played with little emotion until they got desperate when they fell behind. Anyone who plays sports understands the role emotion plays. The Patriots were trying just as hard as the Giants. Nobody who saw that game can honestly say they played with the same level of intensity as the Giants particularly their D. If they had the Patriots offense would have scored a whole lot more than 1 TD on the opening drive and 1 TD with 3 minutes left in the game. Don't take my word for it. Listen to Randy Moss.
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    Can we stop with the red hoodie thing? I'm pretty sure BB as worn red at the SB before.
    But I do agree it was not a typical BB game. Not sure why.
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    When they did their halftime interviews, it was noted how relaxed BB was. That surprised me, and I figured they had something figured out or something up their sleeve that never really materialized.

    Point being, if you're uptight about getting suspended, "relaxed" is hardly the way anyone could describe your demeanor.
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    What about BB beating up cripples, I have not read that about BB
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    The problem is that you can't blame BB for the bad parts of the team's persona and not give him credit for the good. What the media wants you to believe is that when the Patriots behave badly it's because of BB, but the fact that the team never showboated or put one player over the team has nothing to do with him. If your premise is that the team takes on his persona, then the good attributes of the team have to be credited to him as well as the bad.
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    what were the adjustments you saw?

    I'm specifically talking about the running game. there was no commitment to it. it was like... brady got hammered first half so let's continue to throw out of the same formations and get him hammered second half.

    one major adjustment was getting welker involved int he passing game. they should have milked him for the entire game. him and faulk. but he showed up 2nd half so i give him credit there.

    the major adjustment that we saw in the san diego game was commitment to the run and 3 te set or 2te/1fb set. look at the formations by Reiss... there was no commitment there. at some point coaching needs to accept that it's not working and needs to change things.

    you are absolutely right... they lost and was due to numerous reasons. but 16 rush attempts and 48 passes? maroney was hot in the playoffs and you don't give the guy the ball?
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    Re: Ron Borges.......yes, THAT Ron Borges' outstanding column

    I think you're a Borges fan.
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    Can someone please explain to me how the following factors influenced how the New England Patriots 53-man roster and coaching staff prepared themselves for the NY Giants and how they were any LESS prepared because them?
    -SpyGate 1 Drama
    -Matt Walsh Drama
    -"19-0 Perfection" Patent
    -Planning the Victory Parade
    -Plaxico's Guarantee
    -Belichick walking off 1 second early

    How do any of these influence what happened on the field and the numbers on the score board?

    THIS WAS THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE GIANTS COACHES AND PLAYERS CAREERS. DID THEY TRY A LITTLE BIT HARDER BECAUSE OF THE MOTIVATION OF A PATRIOTS VICTORY PARADE OR 19-0 PATENT?

    NO! THESE PEOPLE ARE PROFESSIONALS IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THEIR CAREERS!

    I'm sick of the media overplaying these things like they actual change the final score and outcome.
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    I think they did. SB week is all about interviews. You keep hering things and you start believing them.
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    amen! none of it matters. yet doesnt the media often say when someone mouths off about the pats that BB will use that as motivation, so watch what you say. Before the superbowl with the eagles, didnt BB read the team the Eagles parade route? 2 way street. but youre right, none of it really matters.
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    If you think that the Patriots players listen to what the media says and play differently because of it, they wouldn't have gone 18-0 and then suddenly it makes a difference in the Super Bowl.
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    That's bull**** and it just underscores how little you grasp the game let alone the team. The Patriots "marched right down the field" at that juncture only because the Giants made a stupid mistake (12 men on the field for the punt that should have stopped that march too...) at a time when they could ill afford to because their front 4 were gassed. Guys were cramping up and opting out. It wasn't a rush of emotion that led to that score, it was the Giants D starting to crumble.

    BTW intensity in the context Randy used it has nothing to do with emotion. And it's really the politically correct way of saying we got out performed.

    Bill rides these guys pretty hard to keep them humble and focused and driven. However, it's not to say some of the idiotic garbage all the talking heads who think they know it all were spewing about a rout didn't seep in a few cracks in the old armor. I do think sections of the FO clearly got ahead of themselves, as did the fan base and most of the local and national media.

    That said, I'd offer kudos to Wrong if he could have just skipped the obligatory rip at BB, a man he has so much more character than he eviscerated a guy he barely knew on arrival here based on the blathering of his idiot peers in NY/NJ and Cleveland and because he failed to pay homage to what passed for greatness in Ron's mind having grown up and cut his mediot teeth in Oakland, not to mention the fact that he wouldn't tell secrets to preferred toadies or allow toadie sources to remain on his team. Does he make things harder for himself and his team perception wise, sure. But I wouldn't trade that and most of his players wouldn't either for some hugger/schmoozer who will publicly toss you under the bus as fast as he blows smoke up your ass just to curry favor with the sports media. He never points fingers or makes excuses. Nor does he pass moral judgement on others. And that is a trait almost as rare as his genius in this league.

    And I hope you all fully realize that while the football purist in Ron who secretly admires this team more than most mediots and really means it on some level, he's also playing to an audience in Bill's locker room, and their agents. Call me, lets talk about any issues you or your player has with the evil genius.
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