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  1. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Maybe its just me, but I dont get the comments I am seeing on Rivers.
    I realize his teammate sat on the sidelines all day, but it wasn't like his leg was failing off and had to be amputated after the game.
    People are posting about how they have great respect for him, how gritty or ever heroic he was.
    I think what he did was simply normal. You have an injury that you are capable of playing with, and you play.
    Rivers playing with some pain and a limp does nothing to elevate my opinion, but him NOT playing in that condition would have lowered my opinion.

    It seems the opposite has happened here, where Rivers playing through what I would expect any QB to play through, has extinguished all of the low opinions, and reason for them, about him and elevated him.
    I just dont get why him playing yesterday is considered extraordinary.
  2. oldskool138

    oldskool138 In the Starting Line-Up

    #75 Jersey

    Funny thing, the Pats beat two guys with the last name "River(s)" in each of their playoff games. Phillip and Jack DelRio. Weird.
  3. Sundayjack

    Sundayjack On the Game Day Roster

    Watching that game, it seemed to me that the Patriots wanted Philip Rivers to play. Probably easier to deal with an injured Rivers than try to guess what Volek could bring. Billy Volek could be anything from stellar to disastrous, and I'm not so sure I'd want to find out on the fly.

    The Patriots didn't do a whole lot of blitzing, even with Rivers clearly injured knee. I'm guessing they were thinking that Philip, given the opportunity, would throw a pick at the least opportune time - which, of course, he did.

    Four red zone trips and no touchdowns. An interception that made it a two score game (I believe). Philip Rivers was no hero of that game.
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  4. Dojo Chargerfan

    Dojo Chargerfan On the Game Day Roster

    Rivers played in a lot of pain. He looked like he was walking on mud all game. He couldn't plant his feet and step into a few of his throws. He lost a lot of velocity on some throws and we suffered because of that. Trust me, it would have been worst if Volek had played.
  5. Clonamery

    Clonamery PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    I wasn't in awe of his play or anything but perhaps it has to do with him sitting out the end of the Colts game and being listed as "doubtful" for this game. I guess it comes down to your expectations of him as a player...
  6. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    IMHO, Rivers played up to his potential and beyond. Gates did what his body would allow (the other receivers stepped up). On the other hand, LT had no idea how to deal with an injury.

    Make no mistake, this will be a team that will be in the hunt for the conference championship again next year, along with us and the colts.

    We should again be the best of the three, as we have been since the 2003 season.
  7. DonBlackmon55

    DonBlackmon55 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    I'm game for another undefeated 19-0 run :D
  8. Snake

    Snake Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Rivers will need surgery to repair the torn ACL. There is the possibility he will miss the season opener next year.

    That news surfaced this morning.

    I have watched all the Charger games this year, and I have never liked Phil Rivers. That all changed after the Colts game and got reinforced yesterday.

    Rivers put it on the line and played the game. The knee was damaged, and it(both knees) must have hurt like hell, but he played the game. LT's strength is in the red zone...the Chargers did not score a TD.

    I have no idea why LT decided not to play..even if it was his decision, but there is something in that entire scenario that isn't right.

    Strange game in retrospect...Brady was off; Moss was no where around during or after the game; Belichick took the ball away from Brady in the fourth quarter and gave it to Maroney, and LT watched from the sidelines in full battle gear without so much as cheering his team...at least from the camera shots we witnessed..LT was only a presence.
  9. aluminum seats

    aluminum seats In the Starting Line-Up

    I mostly agree with the praise being overstated--he could play so he played. If it was the Pats, you just wouldn't have heard anything about it, probably. Having said that, I guess you give props to him for playing, when it might have been a real hard hit away from putting his career on the line.

    The guy is a total tool, though. But maybe he'll grow up.
  10. Metaphors

    Metaphors In the Starting Line-Up

    Rivers was put in an impossible situation by his coach (whose time in SD is measured in weeks, not years). Norv should never have allowed him to be on that field. His throws were all arm, no strength from his legs. To his credit, he did reasonably well but his limitations were evident in the red zone.

    Regardless of the injury, if the coach leaves the decision to play in the AFCC game up to you...you HAVE to say yes. If you beg out of the game, even for legitimate reasons, you will lose your leadership in the locker room. At that point, start counting the days until free agency.

    This is why Norv is a disaster everywhere he goes. He is so terrified of making a bad decision that he allows decisions to be made for him. No leadership. No direction. And with that cast of characters in SD, he should already be polishing up his resume. Atlanta should need a new coach sometime in the next year or two...
  11. The Best

    The Best Rookie

    Rivers is a real player. As always Brady who has done what most people will never do win three Super Bowls and get two super models pregnant is looked at as a great guy and a MAN like Rivers is looked down on because ? He has three kids and # 4 on the way. He truly has sought out the important things in life and should be the Model Athlete for the NFL. It takes more courage to be a good husband and father than a good quarterback.

    While I think Tom Brady is the probably best QB ever, he should elevate his personal standards because he is in the spot light and affects perhaps millions. He may not care but I hope he does. Still a Brady Fan
  12. SDbolt1

    SDbolt1 Rookie

    I disagree ... neither knee was close to being fully functional, that's why he threw one of the picks, couldn't put anything on it and with the wind it was a bad decision to which he admitted. He will need reconstructive surgery in the next few days... ligament completely obliterated... 6 months of rehab to look forward to........I'd say he kicked arse out there and this only helped his confidence going forward.
  13. letekro

    letekro In the Starting Line-Up

    Sounds like it might be time for someone to leave Pleasantville. You know there's a whole world out there, filled with *gasp* single parents!
  14. djmika760

    djmika760 Banned

    It's not really that he had a great performance, but that he had more passing yards and less interceptions than the great Brady while playing on two bad knees in frigid weather on the road. So by comparison, I guess that's where the praises come from.
  15. sanvara

    sanvara Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    You are out of your mind. Norv finished the season 8-1 and beat the Superbowl champions on their home field in the playoffs when it mattered. He had a 14-12 game in the 4th quarter of the AFC championship with a QB on one leg and the Chargers two best offensive players nullified with injuries against a 17-0 team on their home field. Norv gets HUGE props.
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  16. jcdavey

    jcdavey In the Starting Line-Up

    yeah i don't see why it was such a horrible thing to lose to the best team ever and actually give them a tough game till the 4th qtr

    i mean it sucks to lose but chambers screws up on the backline, then he gets outmuscled by a cb when he already had the better position lol

    that's 14 points right there

    like any game from NE and SD (but moreso for sd) points were left off the board and some were put on the board directly by poor offensive execution.

    i think the breakdown was 7-6 points off turnover or something, but that mistake by chambers on the backline was bad, there's 4 right there.

    not saying we win definitely would have won, there's a reason NE is the greatest team ever, but chances were blown, on both sides.

    i feel a little better that PR's wounded duck int didn't account for any points off turnover, but the one cc got worked over on, man that was huge.

    i take pride in playing the pats that close , in their house, it's closer than indy's played them there in the past

    i just hope we don't become the same doormatt that indy was for them up until 2006 (unless of course it means we break through in a few years and finally win a sb like indy did)
  17. sanvara

    sanvara Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Nothing last forever jcdavey. The Pats will be a doormat in the future since winning and losing is cyclical. And when that happens no one will care about the past success. It's always "what have you done for me lately" in sports. The Chargers are in position to win a superbowl in the next 1-3 years. No worries about the Chargers.
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2008
  18. jcdavey

    jcdavey In the Starting Line-Up

    i think everyone worries about their team, even the pats didn't go out beating every team 52-7

    hope our boys can win one in my lifetime, that's the best i can ask for

    when i type it out like that though it kinda looks pathetic, comparing it to mortality lol
  19. DarrylS

    DarrylS PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    The whole Rivers thing is feel good ideation of the media, he is a middle of the pack QB who played after some surgery, he probably should not have played.. but he did and was very immobile, imo he probably hurt them as much as help them.

    It is what it is, the reach of the media to find some feel good stories about San Diego.. the same is true for overblowing the comments of Hardwick.. just loose folks and move on. Next
  20. Fencer

    Fencer Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    #12 Jersey

    Neat observation!

    I can't find anybody named "Bach" or anything on the Giants side, however. The closest I came is that moss sometimes grows on riverbanks.
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