Welcome to PatsFans.com

Report Card Time

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by MoLewisrocks, Jan 18, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. MoLewisrocks

    MoLewisrocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2005
    Messages:
    19,949
    Likes Received:
    29
    Ratings:
    +29 / 0 / -0

    Read 'em and weep. I know many of you refuse to read him for obvious reasons, but nothing smarmy from Borges today. Just the ugly facts. This game was lost before the kickoff because the teams strength (offense) was not put in a position to win. Epic coaching failure set the offense up to fail. They were prepped for man and faced a day of increasingly disciplined deception via zone similar to what Manning faced the previous week... I saw Rap tweet yesterday afternoon that after watching 4.5 hours of tape Borges had reported that the WR were not getting open due to a combination of bumps and chips disrupting timing compounded by ensuing miscalculation as to what coverage they were actually facing (kudos to the JETS D for maintaining disguise discipline even post snap while mixing it up continually).

    And while the defense played well in spurts early on, what they increasingly failed to do was make the big stop or stop the big gain play or get any significant pressure on Sanchez at critical junctures. Of course they were increasingly set up to fail field position wise by the offense and ST. That a fake punt option is even in play on your own 38 down 4 with a minute to go until you receive the opening kick of the second half is just situationally mindboggling. In a manner of speaking it was a snapshot of the entire failed effort.

    Players individually certainly failed to execute albeit in fairly limited opportunities. But this was a true top to bottom system failure since overcoming a week of game plan preparation that was wildly off the mark would have taken one hell of an unscripted, impromptu, virtuoso performance by multiple players which is not this teams forte by design.

    Jets-Patriots playoff report card - BostonHerald.com
  2. JackBauer

    JackBauer On the Roster

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    16,092
    Likes Received:
    278
    Ratings:
    +640 / 6 / -18

    Let me get the obligatory "I hate Ron Borges" out of the way. He probably creamed his pants writing this article.

    And there's no way the running backs were a "C-." In fact, give the coaches a big fat "F" for not using them (particularly BJGE) when they were running the ball rather effectively.
  3. Garbanza

    Garbanza Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2004
    Messages:
    2,203
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    That must have been Borges favorite report card it ever.
  4. PATSYLICIOUS

    PATSYLICIOUS Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    11,075
    Likes Received:
    24
    Ratings:
    +89 / 0 / -1

    #12 Jersey

    The gameplan were bad, yes. But this game was not lost before the kickoff. Although the Jets slowed down our offense, without certain lapses by players and coaches (Brady awful pick, Crumpler drop, moronic fake punt attempt) this game could have gone very differently. Easily could have been 10-7 in our favor going into half and getting the ball, possibly 14-7. Fact is that we didn't come prepared, Jets did great to knock us off our game, we made 3 huge mistakes that cost us points, but we were still in position to get within a score late and maybe win this game. Poor gameplan AND execution.
  5. Tunescribe

    Tunescribe PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2004
    Messages:
    16,628
    Likes Received:
    375
    Ratings:
    +1,108 / 6 / -23

    #61 Jersey

    I don't understand the Pats' failure to adjust to what the Green Beans were doing defensively. If someone can explain this I'd appreciate it.
  6. The Dynasty

    The Dynasty Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2008
    Messages:
    2,294
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    I agree. I mean it was clear that the Jets were playing tight man on the outside, and then a tight zone over the middle. To me that would be perfect for a quick slant over the middle, Welkers strength.

    The issue to me was Brady was not getting much time to throw even with a 3 man rush or Brady not being able to find guys open down the field. Brady was under pressure and he just didn't seem comfortable in the pocket. Even when he had time he couldnt find any open WRs and held the ball way too long and the pocket would finally collapse. Brady struggles with pressure that comes from the middle, he has problems moving to his left or right. When the pressure comes from the outside Brady can step up in the pocket, which was a strength of his.

    I felt like the Patriots game plan was not very good, but they had time to adjust and make some changes and they did not do that very well either. While the players did not execute the plays that were called very well, the actual plays that were called werent very good either.
  7. Tunescribe

    Tunescribe PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2004
    Messages:
    16,628
    Likes Received:
    375
    Ratings:
    +1,108 / 6 / -23

    #61 Jersey

    I think BB should prioritize getting a break-away type running back who's a legitimate threat to bust loose on first or second down, and fashion a line to enable him. Enough of the average workhorse types. We haven't had a great back since Curtis Martin.
  8. The Dynasty

    The Dynasty Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2008
    Messages:
    2,294
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Yes, I think the Jets game made it clear that maybe having BJGE and Woodhead as your primary running backs is not the best approach. I rank RB as one of our top 5, maybe even 3 of the off season.
  9. robertweathers

    robertweathers Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    7,744
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +44 / 1 / -0

    There was absolutely nothing wrong with 2004 Corey Dillon. I'd take that type of back in a heartbeat. 4.7 ypc is nothing to sneeze at.
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2011
  10. Tunescribe

    Tunescribe PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2004
    Messages:
    16,628
    Likes Received:
    375
    Ratings:
    +1,108 / 6 / -23

    #61 Jersey

    Dillon was great for one season, no doubt about that. But I'd like to see them land someone young enough to have four or five years as a legit threat.
  11. RayClay

    RayClay On the Roster

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2005
    Messages:
    18,582
    Likes Received:
    290
    Ratings:
    +751 / 6 / -11

    #75 Jersey

    Before we get too far into revisionist history, and we know Borges is the best at spinning a tale of half truths, how about what actually happened in the first two series.

    These were the series where we were totally unprepared for Ryan's defense and completely failed to run for a balanced attack, right?

    Maybe not...

    Subtract 2 big mistakes and the confidence it gave the Jets...

    1st series

    [+]complete 19 yds
    [+]end around 11 yds
    incomplete
    [+]complete 7yds
    [+]complete 9 yds
    [+]Woodhead 7 yds
    [+]BJ 3 yds
    interception

    2nd series

    Sack -7
    [+]BJ 7 yds + 15 yds face mask
    [+]BJ 3 yds
    [+]complete 10 yds
    [+]complete 3 yds
    [+]BJ 8yds
    [+]complete 28 yds
    [+]Woodhead 5 yds
    incomplete (drop Cumpler)
    sack -9

    I'd like to be that outplayed by a defense every series, minus the mistakes. I'd also like to play with the 10-14 points we should have had. Not trying to change what happened, but we moved the ball at will and we screwed up, turning a big advantage into a confidence builder for the Jets D and allowing them to run in a close game and force our depleted line defense to play run and give mediocre Sanchez some opportunities.
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2011
  12. robertweathers

    robertweathers Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    7,744
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +44 / 1 / -0

    Agree 100%, Tune. I see what you are saying now.

    As TB creeps into his mid-30s, I do believe that the team needs to invest in a RB that can share the responsibility of moving the chains and keeping defenses honest.

    Not sure they need to spend a top pick on one but if one can be extracted via a trade or a diamond in the rough can be picked in the 3rd or later rounds, great.

    With that said, I think BJGE still has room for improvement. But it's clear that hes not someone you game plan against. From an ability standpoint, hes not that type of runner. Nor will he be that type of runner in this offense.
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2011
  13. MoLewisrocks

    MoLewisrocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2005
    Messages:
    19,949
    Likes Received:
    29
    Ratings:
    +29 / 0 / -0

    Sadly, the guy who was arrested in St. Louis the other day was supposed to be that...only for multiple reasons it never really worked.
  14. PATRIOTSFANINPA

    PATRIOTSFANINPA Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    15,720
    Likes Received:
    12
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    Then again there were guys like you said the OL could not run block as the reason why Maroney sucked but I guess BJGE suddenly was behind an OL who changed dramatically once he was put in as the main guy :rolleyes:

    Let's face it,BJGE is and was more talented than that dancing bum from the Minny Gophers.
  15. Tunescribe

    Tunescribe PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2004
    Messages:
    16,628
    Likes Received:
    375
    Ratings:
    +1,108 / 6 / -23

    #61 Jersey

    Law Firm is tough and has a lot of heart, but he isn't getting any better than what he already is -- a serviceable workhorse type of back. He simply is a change-up to the passing game. We need someone that teams fear and will have to game-plan against, and we need road-grader blockers to go along with him. Too much of this offense is on Brady's shoulders.
  16. eagle eye

    eagle eye Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2009
    Messages:
    2,212
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -0

    #85 Jersey

    No BJGE is not more talented but he has all the traits that you love to see in a player such as great work ethic, eager to listen and learn, always looking for ways to improve.

    Fact of the matter last weekend is that both he and Woodhead were doing an excellent job but inexplicably after the first two drives which were successful from a moving the ball standpoint we went to the air more often.
  17. RayClay

    RayClay On the Roster

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2005
    Messages:
    18,582
    Likes Received:
    290
    Ratings:
    +751 / 6 / -11

    #75 Jersey

    So, I guess we just ignore the actual statistics and go with unprepared and didn't establish the run...


    nice.
  18. robertweathers

    robertweathers Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    7,744
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +44 / 1 / -0

    Not saying BJGE will evolve into a 1300yd rusher, but he seemed to get better once he got past the LoS. Might be a comfort thing or they did a better job of downfield blocking. Hes an outstanding backup to a thoroughbred RB.
  19. MoLewisrocks

    MoLewisrocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2005
    Messages:
    19,949
    Likes Received:
    29
    Ratings:
    +29 / 0 / -0

    It's a 60 minute game Ray as their HC preached all season. Doesn't matter what you did in the first two series, let alone after you didn't finish those either. The JETS were a little taken aback by what they were seeing early. Then they adjusted, and they stuck to their guns for 60 minutes while we seemed to become increasingly flumoxed and less effective in all three phases of the game. Simultaneously we didn't play complimentary football. In fact we played the opposite with one aspect undercutting the others efforts at every turn. We didn't even play sound situational football which is generally a hallmark of Bill's teams. Players acknowledged that they were not prepared for what the JETS defense presented them with after a bye week to be prepared for anything...let alone unprepared for a game plan the JETS fairly telegraphed thanks to their win at Indy and their loose lipped personnel. A defense that played them well in bump and run man reverted to soft zone and got picked apart on increasingly shorter fields. They opted to stop the run and put the ball in Sanchez hands, then allowed him to post a 127% passer rating... By the time it was over fundamental execution was a distant memory. We played so poorly they could get away with a couple of mistakes. That's a total top to bottom failure and those are virtually impossible for any team to overcome - as was the case for the JETS in our previous meeting.

    There is nothing left to do when that happens but move on and learn from your mistakes. The JETS did that while there was still time. We unfortunately will have to wait an entire off season - and in fact into another post season - to prove we can. This team certainly has the ammo to get better, what we need to see is if ammo is what it will take or if there is something else amiss.
  20. MoLewisrocks

    MoLewisrocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2005
    Messages:
    19,949
    Likes Received:
    29
    Ratings:
    +29 / 0 / -0

    This OL can't run block well absent superior blocking TE's. And for some reason they can't consistently pass block all that well either in the post season...
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>