Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by pats1, Oct 17, 2006.
McFarland hasn't been great this season, but he's better than anything the Colts had, by far. If the Bucs took Doss in exchange for him, they're idiots. Doss is a no-talent midget at the safety position (kind of like most of the Colts defensive players).
Lets hope this is the Bucs dumping a guy on the backside of his career.
John Clayton reports it's for a 2007 2nd rounder.
Thats true and here's the link.
Nice pick-up. Wish we could've improved our team b/f the deadline as well...
We would have if he had a weakness as glaring as the Colts run D.
McFarland for a 2nd rounder? That was an asinine move out of complete desperation by the Colts.
This isn't baseball's trading deadline. As Tom Curran said on WEEI today, there's been (now 7) trades in the past 4 or so trading deadlines. One was for Cleo Lemon, in exchange for A.J. Feely. Another was for Toniu Fonoti.
Just blockbusters those were.
This could be great for the Colts, but then again apparently McFarland has been playing very poorly this season.
The Cleo Lemon?
This move can't hurt, but the Colts have bigger problems on defense than McFarland alone can fix. Their entire front seven is undersized and will be pushed around even with this new addition. Without Sanders, their secondary is not very good at tackling either.
To add insult to injury, their vaunted pass rush has fallen hard, and without it their corners are easily beaten.
I know that I use the "the team will improve" excuse for NE, but there is precedent to believe this. There is not precedent to believe that Indy will improve their issues. If anything, the Colts usually worsen as the season goes on.
A late second round selection is an ok risk for a guy who can make more of an impact on the DL than anyone currently on the roster or wire.
I predicted the deal and it came through. The Colts had NO shot at beating anyone in January without a little help stopping the run. They atleast tried.
Right. But look how bad they've played so far. Maybe this season they improve as the season goes on.
I hope so because if they sure up that run D then they become a scary team. Manning has changed up his play calling this year and has shown the willingness to not go deep on a third and 4 or 5. He is actually looking to throw it to the guy underneath. If he continues down that path, they could look different come playoff time. I don't think McFarland will be the end all but him and the return of Sanders can only improve that run D. They paid a hefty price for him, but if he can play well, I don't think their fans will care about that second round pick.
Not a lot of crying on the Bucs board. They're saying he's been washed up for awhile and they got rid of a big salary.
Low 2nd pick though and it'd hard to get a decent DL when you need one. Plus Dungy knows him.
Anything is worth the risk right now, but if it doesn't pay in the form of a solid playoff run, is it ultimately worth it?
I don't mean that to say that winning the SB is the only victory, but the Colts are a sure bet for the playoffs right now. If McFarland does not extend the run, it will ultimately be a cost without benefit. The needed to do something, though. The offense can only carry that D so far.
Agreed. They did need to do something. When is Sanders coming back? And what is wrong with Freeney?
Exactly - the goal is to win now over there. You need the run defense. But any other day of the week McFarland for a 2nd rounder is a bad trade.
From a Colts' fans' point of view, it can't hurt. It's nice to see them do something to address the run defense. He ran in the same system in Tampa and Tony knows him. Putting him in the middle helps the ends. You can't double them nearly as much when there is a big guy in the middle as Simon showed last season. Plus, if/when Simon comes back next season, then the Colts actually have two big bodies that they can rotate in and out. Their defense didn't get worse with the trade.
They will know Wednesday if Sanders will be back this week or next. He had his knee scoped a few weeks back and tested it the other day, but was still unsure about this weekend. There are two issues with Freeney. First, he is recovering from a strained muscle in his butt. Jokes aside, for a speed guy any lower body muscle problems are an issue. Second, with no big bodies inside, Simon's injury and Tripplet to FA, teams can send more blockers his way. When you can single block the tackles, it makes it a lot easier to double the ends.
It won't hurt them this season. It probably won't help either but they had to try someting.
It will hurt a lot down down the road as a #2 pick is a huge price to pay for what he has brought to the table the last couple years. Also with the colts philosophy on spending big on a select few, they need those good draft picks to be the high performing lower paid players on the roster.
Good point. The way the Colts shed defensive players each season, they need those draft picks.
I guess cap wise this won't hurt the Colts if it doesn't work. His bonus has already been paid, so his contract is all salary for next year. The Colts could cut him with no cap hit.
actually, the Bucs fans absolutely love this deal, sounds good to me. http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=127396
Still at the price of a 2nd rounder.
Solid use of a draft pick there
I don't like this for the Colts, a #2 for an aging DL with big salaries upcoming. Day one picks are the foundation of any long lasting team. Of course with Peyton 31 next year and Harrison even older, the Colts' window doesn't have too many years left.
Most of the comments on the Bucs board claim he hasn't had a sack in years. Which is fine with me.
We need a fat run stuffer with Simon out.
Doesn't matter, Peyton will still choke in the big one.
He was Sapp's replacement, he's no run stuffer.
This move smells of desperation. Same like drafting Addai a round early. These are clearly need moves so the Colts are getting ripped off a bit in each transaction. When you start to lose value even a bit at a time in the end you will pay for it. IF the colts run D improves in the short term than the tradeoff becomes worth it. If not you've lost both current and future value which would suck for them.
Tampa Bay is last in the NFC at rushing defense and 26th in the NFL with an average of 141.2 yards per game surrendered on an average of 30.2 carries per game
hardly an inspiring pickup in this light
Anthony McFarland has a total of 8 tackles (6 solo, 2 assists, 0 sacks), to rank 15th on the 1-4 Tampa defense. He ranks behind such notables as Greg Spires and Chris Hovan and has exactly twice as many solo tackles as WR Joey Galloway.
I will throw my vote towards the side of this being a wasted pick and cap money that will have minimal impact.
fwiw--Willie Andrews of the Patriots has 7 total tackles...one fewer than Booger...
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